nc st and uf games:

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#101
Well if they're 2-2 going into the Georgia then we know for sure what type of coach we have at that point. Not going to be able to pin any excuses on anything at that point.

To answer the question though. They're resume games for Dooley. Are they must wins? At least one of them is.
 
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DrewGATOR said:
First off, let me say that I am not trying in any way to brag or boast about Florida. I just want to give you a little scouting report on UF so you guys can know what to expect.

Imo, it it all depends on if Pease can get the offense going at Florida. Obviously, the offense has been completely pathetic for the past two seasons at Florida. There's no sugar-coating that. We have the talent, we just need to make it function.

Defensively, we should be lights out. We are returning a unit that was top 10 in the nation last year and only lost 1 starter. Muschamp is the real deal when it comes to defense.

Basically, expect a boring, but smash mouth type off offense and a solid defense. We actually moved a 240 pound full back to half back, his name is Hunter Joyer if you want to YouTube him. He played running back through out his high school career and saw some limited action at running back last year because he was always at fullback. It will also be interesting to see if one of our highly touted quarterbacks, Driskel or Brissett, can develop into a leader and make things happen.
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Thanks. But honestly most of us knew all of this and a bit more about UF. IMHO, your D was about to be raped in the Swamp last fall before Hunter went down. He was doubled on that play and had a 3 yard cushion on an 8 yard play. Your guys were not going to be able to cover both Hunter and Rogers. In fact, I think that would have been a recurring theme over the whole season for UT. Losing Hunter was the equivalent to Auburn losing Newton. UT's whole O was built around what Hunter and Rogers could do together to the heads of DC's.

The interesting thing about this fall's game is how much UT looks like the 90's Gators and how much UF looks like the 90's Vols. You are looking to win with a run game and strong defense. UT is looking to push you out of your gameplan by turning it into a track meet. To be honest... I very much relish the idea of being on the other side of that equation.

Your D was 5th in the SEC and not much ahead of a UT D that was flat out bad at times but improved over the season as very young players got it together.

I am definitely not calling it a "win" for UT. Not even close. You have loads of talent and will maintain a psychological edge until UT breaks the streak. But UT will force most D's into guarding 3 or four "elite talents" at WR. I am not sure that you... or anyone else has enough quality cover guys to do that. If you can't... then you have to score a lot of points and even you acknowledge that your O will probably not be designed to do that.

Again, on paper from 7 months out... this looks like a roll reversal of Spurrier vs Fulmer.
 
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#104
UT was not about to rape UF at the swamp. Going into the game, the Gators were double digit favorites even with Hunter playing.

UT has a great shot at beating the Gators this year, but it will be alot closer than people think. The UT D will be much improved and the UF off. cannot be any worse than it was last year. The UT off. has a great chance at being one of the best in the SEC if everythings clicks, but the UF Def. should be one of the best in the SEC. I think we'll see a very good game between UF vs. UT.
 
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DrewGATOR said:
Obviously, the offense has been completely pathetic for the past two seasons at Florida. There's no sugar-coating that. We have the talent, we just need to make it function.
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not sure about the "talent" at florida--a lot of those top recruits have turned into busts. They have a terrible Oline coming back, no good RBs, WRs and 2 QBs who didn't look good last year.
 
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VolsRule said:
not sure about the "talent" at florida--a lot of those top recruits have turned into busts. They have a terrible Oline coming back, no good RBs, WRs and 2 QBs who didn't look good last year.
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Florida looks a little like TN 2011. They have just lost their two most dynamic offensive players in Demps and Rainey (we lost Moore and Stocker last year) and they are trying to get a young defense to come together. Hopefully we get them before they can sort out their issues and start developing all that talent.

I think fans of both programs realize its going to be this game which sets the tone for our respective seasons. Florida isn't used to losing and our fan base has been left out in the cold long enough.
 
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Theshag said:
Florida looks a little like TN 2011. They have just lost their two most dynamic offensive players in Demps and Rainey (we lost Moore and Stocker last year) and they are trying to get a young defense to come together. Hopefully we get them before they can sort out their issues and start developing all that talent.

I think fans of both programs realize its going to be this game which sets the tone for our respective seasons. Florida isn't used to losing and our fan base has been left out in the cold long enough.
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The UF defense was a very good last year and they should be a lot better this year. They return 11 guys, I think, and have pretty good depth.
 
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UGA insider said:
The UF defense was a very good last year and they should be a lot better this year. They return 11 guys, I think, and have pretty good depth.
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I think there's a lot more "wishful thinking" than fact on this string. UF is one of the top recruiting schools year-in-year-out. They have the athletes. They were young and just weren't well-coached last season. I think UF will be much improved this season and any team that discounts them will get stung. I hope that we don't overlook them or any other team.
 
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UGA insider said:
The UF defense was a very good last year and they should be a lot better this year. They return 11 guys, I think, and have pretty good depth.
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I only have stats to go on, but looking at it, if you take out OOC games, Florida ran about the same PPG as Tennessee did. The wooping Arkansas gave us makes up the difference there. Against the same teams their D was essentially equal to UT's. This is the SEC, any team even trying to be a contender is going to have a strong D, but Florida was not close to LSU or Alabama on that side of the ball. Hell, they got into a shootout with Furman.

They have the talent to be great, but they sure weren't last year, and with luck they won't be until the fourth game in 2012.
 
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#110
DjCrenshaw said:
How many times have ya'll beatin them in a row? I honestly don't know.
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I honestly don't care. They're not considered a rival of ours. We beat all of our rivals last season and made it to the SEC Championship and a good bowl. We lost those games because we were playing with 4th and 5th string running backs. We should be much improved in that area this season. Time will tell.
 
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UGA insider said:
UT was not about to rape UF at the swamp. Going into the game, the Gators were double digit favorites even with Hunter playing.
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We will never know for sure... but Bray put 288 on UF without Hunter. As I said, he was doubled on what amounted to an 8 yard hitch and had a 3 yard cushion. I feel VERY comfortable saying those numbers would have been MUCH better with Hunter.

UT has a great shot at beating the Gators this year, but it will be alot closer than people think. The UT D will be much improved and the UF off. cannot be any worse than it was last year.
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How do you figure? Over 1400 of their 1800 rushing yards are gone. Brantley was the only QB they had that showed any consistency... and that was not "great" consistent play. They have young talent and iirc their 4th OC in 5 years. Vol fans know all too well how much fun that combination can be.

My main concern as we sit here today is the psychological aspect. UT does not know if they can beat UF. UF doesn't really believe they can lose to UT. Even if UT is the better team, the mental state of the two teams could shift the game to UF... as an UGA fan you should completely relate to that problem.

The UT off. has a great chance at being one of the best in the SEC if everythings clicks, but the UF Def. should be one of the best in the SEC. I think we'll see a very good game between UF vs. UT.
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I saw the potential script for this game WAY too many times in the 90's. A team with a solid run game, balanced O, and great D comes into a game with what sounds like a reasonable gameplan. Run the ball, control the clock, keep the other O off the field... keep the game close then win it. The other team comes in, slings the ball all over the field matching their elite WR's against S's and LB's. They quickly get ahead and force the first team into abandoning its gameplan in favor of "catch up".

If everything "clicks" UT's passing O will be second to none in the country. That would have been true with just Hunter and Rogers. It is even more true with Patterson on board. Obviously there are all sorts of things that could go wrong. Maybe CP doesn't come in as strong as expected... Maybe JH isn't healed up physically/mentally. There are a million things that could go wrong and spoil the situation. But as we now sit and if everything goes as it should... Bray with Hunter, DR, CP, and those behind them are going to be tough to stop. You certainly cannot even sleep on M Lane as a receiver.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
I don't give a ****. We lost. it's a new year, we are at home, y'all ain't up to snuff and I'm ready to kick ass!! Now GTFO
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I've been on this board since '08. And every season, heck every game, there are UT fans on here who make outrageous statements and claims like "we're gonna kill LSU, Bama, UF, heck we could beat the NY Giants!". Then as soon as these pie-in-the-sky stuff doesn't happen they say "Fire _____________". I think it's because TN is a state where football, especially HS, is behind almost every other state in the SEC and not many guys on here actually played the game and, thus, don't really know that much about it. There are many guys on here who are more educated and realistic. These people are good for a program. The others actually hurt a program due to false bravado and unrealistic expectations. Say what you want about UGA fans, but lots more of them actually were involved in football and know how difficult it is to get a team all going in the same direction.
 
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sjt18 said:
We will never know for sure... but Bray put 288 on UF without Hunter. As I said, he was doubled on what amounted to an 8 yard hitch and had a 3 yard cushion. I feel VERY comfortable saying those numbers would have been MUCH better with Hunter.

How do you figure? Over 1400 of their 1800 rushing yards are gone. Brantley was the only QB they had that showed any consistency... and that was not "great" consistent play. They have young talent and iirc their 4th OC in 5 years. Vol fans know all too well how much fun that combination can be.

My main concern as we sit here today is the psychological aspect. UT does not know if they can beat UF. UF doesn't really believe they can lose to UT. Even if UT is the better team, the mental state of the two teams could shift the game to UF... as an UGA fan you should completely relate to that problem.



I saw the potential script for this game WAY too many times in the 90's. A team with a solid run game, balanced O, and great D comes into a game with what sounds like a reasonable gameplan. Run the ball, control the clock, keep the other O off the field... keep the game close then win it. The other team comes in, slings the ball all over the field matching their elite WR's against S's and LB's. They quickly get ahead and force the first team into abandoning its gameplan in favor of "catch up".

If everything "clicks" UT's passing O will be second to none in the country. That would have been true with just Hunter and Rogers. It is even more true with Patterson on board. Obviously there are all sorts of things that could go wrong. Maybe CP doesn't come in as strong as expected... Maybe JH isn't healed up physically/mentally. There are a million things that could go wrong and spoil the situation. But as we now sit and if everything goes as it should... Bray with Hunter, DR, CP, and those behind them are going to be tough to stop. You certainly cannot even sleep on M Lane as a receiver.
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the last time tennessee outrushed florida in a game was in 2004.

the last time tennessee played florida without giving up a big play on special teams was in 2004.

it really isn't complicated.
 
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#115
FL v. TN last year came down to two big plays last year. In both Vol players made a big mistake and Gators (to their credit) turned them into points and the difference in the game. 1st one was blown assignment on Vol LB (think it was maggit) on covering Gator TB (think it was Rainy) on check down pass that went the distance. 2nd was Bray losing Gator LB in underneath zone coverage and throwing an INT right in Gator LB's hands on 1st possession in 2nd half. Overall Gators out played Vols but didn't turn that into enough points to win if they don't get above plays. IMO Gators have too many 4 stars playing like 2 stars and I don't see the switch getting flipped next year. Gators desperately needed play makers in 2012 recruiting class and didn't get any. Next years game is in Knoxville and if Vols "stars" stay healthy its their year to get the Gators.
 
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#116
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sjt18 said:
Thanks. But honestly most of us knew all of this and a bit more about UF. IMHO, your D was about to be raped in the Swamp last fall before Hunter went down. He was doubled on that play and had a 3 yard cushion on an 8 yard play. Your guys were not going to be able to cover both Hunter and Rogers. In fact, I think that would have been a recurring theme over the whole season for UT. Losing Hunter was the equivalent to Auburn losing Newton. UT's whole O was built around what Hunter and Rogers could do together to the heads of DC's.

The interesting thing about this fall's game is how much UT looks like the 90's Gators and how much UF looks like the 90's Vols. You are looking to win with a run game and strong defense. UT is looking to push you out of your gameplan by turning it into a track meet. To be honest... I very much relish the idea of being on the other side of that equation.

Your D was 5th in the SEC and not much ahead of a UT D that was flat out bad at times but improved over the season as very young players got it together.

I am definitely not calling it a "win" for UT. Not even close. You have loads of talent and will maintain a psychological edge until UT breaks the streak. But UT will force most D's into guarding 3 or four "elite talents" at WR. I am not sure that you... or anyone else has enough quality cover guys to do that. If you can't... then you have to score a lot of points and even you acknowledge that your O will probably not be designed to do that.

Again, on paper from 7 months out... this looks like a roll reversal of Spurrier vs Fulmer.
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I'm not calling it a win for UF either, I think it will be a great game. I still like our chances though. And yeah, I could have gone into more detail but I always hated when an opposing teams fans would rant on about their team. Best of luck to you guys this fall.
 
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#118
99gator said:
the last time tennessee outrushed florida in a game was in 2004.

the last time tennessee played florida without giving up a big play on special teams was in 2004.

it really isn't complicated.
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The rushing stat is overblown. The team that has been behind has had to throw more in this series regardless of who it was. That stat is mostly an indication that either team with a lead will start running it to shorten the game.

I don't think your two reasons are the sum total of why UT has been losing to UF. Your teams have had much more talent. Meyer completely outclassed Fulmer. Kiffin made it look good but was playing to "look good" more than win. DD has taken more chances trying to win than Kiffin did resulting in greater loss margins.

This will be the first time since at least '04 that UT appears to be equal or better on O.
 
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#120
vol4kids said:
I think our only concern next season is bama, if we beat them we go undefeated!
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Every other game is reasonably winnable. You can usually expect to win 50% of the even matchups plus or minus one.

IMHO, VU, UK, and three of the OOC games should be wins. NCSU, Mizzou, and MSU are closer but still should be wins. That's 8. I think UF and USCe are fairly close matchups that come down to whether UT's O is great or just very good. If it is great then UT will trap both in track meets that they don't have the horses to win offensively. If not then it will be close one way or the other.

UGA is problematic but winnable. They are balanced on O and have a solid D. It is in Athens.

IMO, 8 to 10 wins are somewhat reasonable as we sit 7 months from the first kick off.... things can change and usually do. If UT is playing great and with confidence by the time they hit Athens then they could get that one too.

Bama still looks like a tough draw but the gap has closed some.
 
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#121
Well, there is a ton of odd information being thrown around here.

The Demps and Rainey situation is weird. People think they are our best play-makers, which they probably were. But at the same time, they were almost "holding up" what we wanted to do offensively. It wasn't that apparent in the beginning of the season, but towards the latter part of the season Demps and Rainey halted the offense.

What Muschamp and company wanted to do: Have the ability to give the ball to your tailback and get 4 to 5 yards every play. From this consistent running game, you can develop play action passes and also open up the opportunity to take shots down field.

What actually happened: Stretch left, stretch right. Screen left, screen right. Draw, draw. Almost always STUFFED at the line. We had THREE PLAYS that we were able to run with our rag doll running backs. Demps was scrappy at times, which was nice, but you could sneeze on Rainey and he would fall down.

Running backs for next year (no particular order):

#23 - Mike Gillislee SR - 5'11" 205 pounds
#41 - Hunter Joyer SO - 5'10" 242 pounds
#33 - Mack Brown RSSO- 5'11" 205 pounds
#8 - Trey Burton JR- 6'3" 239 pounds
#24 - Matt Jones FR- 6'3 220 pounds

Demps and Rainey just didn't fit in with what we wanted to do. The above guys will, as they are all hard-nosed runners, and they are obviously much bigger.

As far as the quarterback situation goes, apparently both Driskel and Brissett were unhappy with Weis last year. Weis supposedly wasted all of his time developing Brantley, and basically tossed the play book at the young guns and said "Here are my plays, learn them." Both are LOADED with potential. Driskel is 6'4" 235, has an absolute rocket, and can run a legit 4.5. However, Driskel seemed like he was about to piss his pants when he was out there and struggled with an ankle injury he suffered during the Bama game. This opened the door for Brissett, who has a 6'3" 239 pound frame, is very tough to bring down, seems way more poised than Driskel, also has a great arm, and has decent feet. Chances are, one of our quarterbacks will be able to be serviceable.

Feel free to read more about we what think of our quarterbacks here: With Spring Nearing... Driskel Or Brissett? - GatorCountry.com Swamp Gas Forums

There is no sugar coating this - the wide receivers did not make plays last year. It's not a lack of talent. We have Debose, Dunbar, Hammond, and Hines, who have all shown that they can make plays if we just give them the chance. We'll see if they get their opportunity this year. Also, a very, very high percentage of our passes were targeted to a tight end or a running back last year.

Don't overlook how much we will throw to our tight ends, Jordan Reed and AC Leonard are both match up problems. They might be our most athletic players, actually. We have the top tight end in the nation coming in this year in Kent Taylor, who will fit right in with Reed and Leonard. We also happened to sign a 6'5" 255 pound Colin Thompson, who adds some physicality to the tight end position. Don't overlook this position.

Oh btw, your guys' tight end, Rivera, is a STUD.

I don't need to talk much about defense. As I said earlier, we are returning a unit that was top 10 in the nation last year, and lose only one contributor in Jaye Howard (who rotated out a lot anyway.) Florida and Tennessee had the hardest schedules in the country last year, imo*. The experience these young guys gained last year is irreplaceable and the ability to still manage a top 10 unit nationally is pretty impressive. You guys will see in September.

*If you ask me, Tennessee had the hardest schedule in the country last year, which definitely helped you guys out for this year. Can't wait for some football!
 
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#122
#122
Can't argue that playing a schedule that included both teams in the BCS game plus another BCS bowl team wasn't pretty tough.
 
#123
#123
nc state and florida are must wins and im not very confident in us winning them. your only as good as your last performance and it kills me to be negative about the vols
 
#124
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DrewGATOR said:
There is no sugar coating this - the wide receivers did not make plays last year. It's not a lack of talent. We have Debose, Dunbar, Hammond, and Hines, who have all shown that they can make plays if we just give them the chance.
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drew--good analysis of the uf offense, but I'm not sure of your statement about the WRs. They did not make any plays, but have "shown they can make plays..." That seems to be a contradiction.
 
#125
#125
Fl, Bama, Ga, SC would be the acceptable games not to win. All others are a must for CDD to continue. Also this team has to play 60 minutes and compete and not just bend over. The excuses are over. Like CDD said if someone gets hurt then we have the depth to continue especially at QB.:crossfingers:
 
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