NBA Playoffs Thread

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PowerT83 said:
I'm pretty sure MJ averaged over 33 points a game in every finals series with the exception of the Sonics series.

LeBron has faced some tough opposition, but Jordan beat better teams and the freaking mafia.
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The D Jordan faced was pretty weak in the finals and he shot mediocre % in three series.

What team did Jordan face that was better than the Warriors?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Much like when you called this a sweep for the Cavs before the series started, I think you overract a bit much. A series doesn't really even start until the opposing team wins on the others court. Cavs could easily come out in 3 and 4 to bring this even.
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I was hoping to see either Celtics' win or an epic performance from Lebron tonight. I didn't get either. Boston flopped. Cleveland was there to accept the gift.

I'd like to think Houston has a chance in game seven, but it seems as though we're in for another Cavs/Warriors Finals.
 
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MJ’s the best at what MJ’s the best at, but LJ is the best, most complete all-around player in history. He can do it all.
 
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Freak said:
I was hoping to see either Celtics' win or an epic performance from Lebron tonight. I didn't get either. Boston flopped. Cleveland was there to accept the gift.

I'd like to think Houston has a chance in game seven, but it seems as though we're in for another Cavs/Warriors Finals.
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Lebron played pretty well. He should have had 35, 15, and 15, but the Cavs missed so many open 3's that he created.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
So could Jordan. Jordan learned how to play like a center so the triangle would work in Chicago, because the Bulls had no one else who could post up.
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Meh, being a Center is different than posting up smaller guards. Michael was never capable of guarding Centers. Lebron can guard 1-5
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
By “he”, you must mean MJ.

For now at least.
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LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster and a better shooter, passer, rebounder and could very easily be a better scorer if he wanted to be.

After three finals appearances MJ had to retire due to the mental stress. LeBron has been to 8 straight with no signs of slowing down.

Finals wins is kinda like pitcher’s wins in baseball to me. It’s a flawed stat. Doesn’t tell the whole story.

LeBron is the GOAT.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster and a better shooter, passer, rebounder and could very easily be a better scorer if he wanted to be.

After three finals appearances MJ had to retire due to the mafia. LeBron has been to 8 straight with no signs of slowing down.

Finals wins is kinda like pitcher’s wins in baseball to me. It’s a flawed stat. Doesn’t tell the whole story.

LeBron is the GOAT.
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Fyp.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Didn't Scottie say that last year?
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Seems like he said something and then walked it back and/or said something like "I'm the best SF ever".

Zeke didn't call Lebron the GOAT. He mentioned Kareem and Russell and limited his statement to wings, but he said that Lebron is a much better all around player than MJ.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
:lolabove: mental stress
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If not mental stress, why did he quit? He's not the first athlete to lose a loved one, but he's the only one I can think of who quit their sport after it happened.

"He was burnt out" is the best explanation I've heard, and it's a testament to Lebron that he's done this for 7, now 8 straight years and he hasn't burnt out yet. Not only is he still playing, but he's 33 (not 29), he's still the best player in the league, and playing more minutes than ever. He's a ****ing machine.

He played his 100th game this season yesterday. He had 35, 15, and 9 against maybe the best defensive team in the league. He's been playing at such a high level that Freak was disappointed with the performance. Let that sink in.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
LeBron is bigger, stronger, faster and a better shooter, passer, rebounder and could very easily be a better scorer if he wanted to be.

After three finals appearances MJ had to retire due to the mental stress. LeBron has been to 8 straight with no signs of slowing down.

Finals wins is kinda like pitcher’s wins in baseball to me. It’s a flawed stat. Doesn’t tell the whole story.

LeBron is the GOAT.
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Jordan vs LeBron


Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:

•3 more rings

•3 more final mvps

•1 more DPOY

•1 more season MVP

•9 more scoring titles

•3 more steals leader

•3 more all defensive team selections

•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.

•800 more steals

•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)

•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals

Lebron did it twice

•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)

•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:

Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring

* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game

Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26

•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs

•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..

MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons

Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”

•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.

(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.

•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.

•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.

•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.

•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%

•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.

•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%

•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.

Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.

Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)

•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..

•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.

Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard.

Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.

MIchael Jordan:

•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg

•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY

•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:

41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals

•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)

•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)

•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.

•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984–85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987–88), NBA MVP (1987–88, 1990–91, 1991–92, 1995–96, 1997–98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season

* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1997–98)

•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)

* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.

•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!

•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.

Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:

-10 scoring titles,

-Won Defensive Player of the Year,

-9 times all defensive team,

-9time All NBA,

-5 league MVPs

-6 finals MVPs
 
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MJ is a pure dick

LBJ seems a bit more humble & outgoing.

Plus he didn’t have a gambling problem.

But you’d be lying to yourself if you still think MJ is the better All Around Player.

MJ had the better winning mentality but physicality wise, LBJ wins.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
MJ is a pure dick

LBJ seems a bit more humble & outgoing.

Plus he didn’t have a gambling problem.
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I don't think any of this matters to the conversation.

I do like pointing out that Lebron doesn't even know who his Dad is, his Mom is crazy, he's been treated like a celebrity since he was a young teen, and he's been a millionaire since he was 18...that sounds like the beginning of a cautionary tale and look how the dude turned out.
 
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The annual MJ vs Lebron debate that gets us nowhere. FTR if I was a GM and had 1st pick in an all time fantasy draft, I’m taking Lebron. Much more well rounded and easier to build around than MJ.
 
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LeBron only averages 1.5 more assist. Jordan had seasons averaging 32.5 8 and 8. He was an all around player. LeBron does not compare on any level. Only LBJ stans think this is even close. It's not.
 
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k-town_king said:
LeBron only averages 1.5 more assist. Jordan had seasons averaging 32.5 8 and 8. He was an all around player. LeBron does not compare on any level. Only LBJ stans think this is even close. It's not.
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If you don’t think the debate is close then you’re stuck in the mid 90’s
 
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k-town_king said:
LeBron only averages 1.5 more assist. Jordan had seasons averaging 32.5 8 and 8. He was an all around player. LeBron does not compare on any level. Only LBJ stans think this is even close. It's not.
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He had one season where he put up 32.5/8/8 which is still incredible but he wasn’t doing that every year
 
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