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#127
#127
milohimself said:
Why not? Dwight means contending immediately
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Yes it does. But now they have no money to get role players/a bench. You can't win with just those 4 players. You're not gonna beat Miami or Chicago at least.

Howard and Dwill is good enough. Didn't need Joe Johnson. They could've used that money to pick up some decent players.
 
#128
#128
milohimself said:
Why not? Dwight means contending immediately
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Howard and D-Will do not automatically put a contender on the floor, IMO. You gotta have more than 2 good players. If they could somehow hang onto Hump and Wallace, I'd think differently.
 
#129
#129
If the Nets get Joe Johnson and Dwight Howard, those three picks are going to be so far down the first round that they'll be largely useless. Three bad picks and three players who haven't made an all-star team seems like a small price to pay for a franchise-changing player like Howard -- especially given that, unlike all the other teams, Howard is apparently willing to sign an extension at the time of the trade.

Sith Vol said:
Yes it does. But now they have no money to get role players/a bench. You can't win with just those 4 players. You're not gonna beat Miami or Chicago at least.
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Miami just won with three good players and a bunch of scrubs. And the Nets' core players would complement each other better than Miami's do.

Howard and Dwill is good enough. Didn't need Joe Johnson. They could've used that money to pick up some decent players.
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Just Howard and Williams wouldn't have been enough scoring. Adding Johnson should make a big difference, at least short-term. He'll probably flourish in a situation where he doesn't have to be the guy who carries the water.

The problem with Johnson for Atlanta hasn't been that he's not a really good player; it's that his contract made it impossible to add guys like Williams and Howard. If the Nets can make it happen all at the same time, then who cares about his contract?
 
#130
#130
(That said, I should also predict that if the Nets DON'T get Howard, and Johnson is in a situation where not only does he have to carry much of the water but he's also The Guy We Got Instead Of Dwight Howard, it'll be a train wreck.)
 
#131
#131
Yeah but the Nets already are a train wreck, and it won't matter as they'll have a nice new stadium which should do fine for a couple years. At least while it's kitschy and ironic for the hipsters to go out to games.

But yes, the product on the floor would be atrocious
 
#133
#133
I've decided sports are about ridiculous fandom. My expectations for a Smith-Howard-Paul Atlanta trio are now set to 100%. Make it happen.
 
#134
#134
The Vols are more likely to win the first college football playoff than the Hawks are to get both Howard and Paul.
 
#136
#136
Vercingetorix said:
Miami just won with three good players and a bunch of scrubs. And the Nets' core players would complement each other better than Miami's do.
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NJ's scrubs will make Miami's look like all-stars. 3 > 2, and Lebron is the best player in the league. I don't think your Miami comparison is legitimate.
 
#137
#137
I'm expecting both.

If for some reason Dwight Howard decides he would sign an extension in Atlanta, then it could happen. If you are Chris Paul, and your choices are the Knicks, Clippers, or Hawks (with Smith and Howard), then the Hawks could be the least dysfunctional team in the picture. There's several different factors (Clipper's offer more money, MSG and New York, etc.), but I'm picking one because it's easier that way. And after Dwight stupidly signed his opt-in clause, I'm wouldn't put it past him being ok with the Hawks.

Right now I don't think anybody's outbidding the Nets, not if they are willing to sign Wallace for 4/$40.

And the Vols are most certainly going to win the first playoff. Peterman's a lock for the Heisman. Make it happen Ferry.
 
#138
#138
n_huffhines said:
NJ's scrubs will make Miami's look like all-stars. 3 > 2, and Lebron is the best player in the league. I don't think your Miami comparison is legitimate.
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Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and Dwight Howard would be a better core than LeBron/Wade + Bosh unless you're willing to ascribe mystical powers to LeBron. The best center in the league, one of the best PGs in the league, and one of the best SGs in the league would be a hell of a core to a basketball team.

If by "3 > 2" you mean Williams and Joe Johnson as is without Howard, then obviously just that tandem won't beat anybody good in the playoffs.
 
#139
#139
Vercingetorix said:
If the Nets get Joe Johnson and Dwight Howard, those three picks are going to be so far down the first round that they'll be largely useless. Three bad picks and three players who haven't made an all-star team seems like a small price to pay for a franchise-changing player like Howard -- especially given that, unlike all the other teams, Howard is apparently willing to sign an extension at the time of the trade.



Miami just won with three good players and a bunch of scrubs. And the Nets' core players would complement each other better than Miami's do.



Just Howard and Williams wouldn't have been enough scoring. Adding Johnson should make a big difference, at least short-term. He'll probably flourish in a situation where he doesn't have to be the guy who carries the water.

The problem with Johnson for Atlanta hasn't been that he's not a really good player; it's that his contract made it impossible to add guys like Williams and Howard. If the Nets can make it happen all at the same time, then who cares about his contract?
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I wouldn't go as far as to say Shane Battier and Mike Miller are scrubs. Both of those guys stepped up enormously in the Finals. Chalmers had a good playoff run as well. The Heat didn't win the Finals last season because they relied so much on the Big 3. You have to have more than just 3 players to win a championship.
 
#141
#141
Vercingetorix said:
Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and Dwight Howard would be a better core than LeBron/Wade + Bosh unless you're willing to ascribe mystical powers to LeBron. The best center in the league, one of the best PGs in the league, and one of the best SGs in the league would be a hell of a core to a basketball team.

If by "3 > 2" you mean Williams and Joe Johnson as is without Howard, then obviously just that tandem won't beat anybody good in the playoffs.
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Joe Johnson is OK. The Heat have the best player in the league, and the best SG in the league. This would give the Nets the best C, but I don't think that's enough.

Williams was one of the best PGs in the league 2 years ago (and D-Will is my favorite player). He hasn't been the same in NJ. He's arriving at the age where most PGs start showing signs of aging, and he's already been declining in productivity for the last 2 years. We're not talking a small decline, either.
 
#142
#142
Sith Vol said:
I wouldn't go as far as to say Shane Battier and Mike Miller are scrubs. Both of those guys stepped up enormously in the Finals. Chalmers had a good playoff run as well. The Heat didn't win the Finals last season because they relied so much on the Big 3. You have to have more than just 3 players to win a championship.
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Miller's played for four teams in the last five years. Battier's played for three teams in three years. Just because they played well in the playoffs doesn't mean that they're not guys that Miami picked up off the scrap heap. All that means is that Pat Riley is really good at his job.
 
#143
#143
BTW, I would expect D-Will to improve with a better team around him, but I don't expect to see the old D-Will. He was one of the 10 best players in '09, and now he's just average.
 
#147
#147
Both D-Wil and Joe are overrated.

You'd have to watch the Hawks on a nightly basis to know just how over thought of JJ really is.

Truly the Scotty Hopson of the NBA.
 
#149
#149
Vercingetorix said:
Miller's played for four teams in the last five years. Battier's played for three teams in three years. Just because they played well in the playoffs doesn't mean that they're not guys that Miami picked up off the scrap heap. All that means is that Pat Riley is really good at his job.
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A healthy Mike Miller is better then a scrub, he hasn't been healthy since signing with Miami though so I'll concede that point.

Battier however is just too good at what he does defensively to be deemed a scrub.
 
#150
#150
GahLee said:
A healthy Mike Miller is better then a scrub, he hasn't been healthy since signing with Miami though so I'll concede that point.

Battier however is just too good at what he does defensively to be deemed a scrub.
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Maybe "scrub" is a needlessly perjorative term. But whatever you call it, the point is that Miami was able to pick guys like Battier and Miller up off the scrap heap at a bargain price. In an NBA era when expiring contracts are among the league's most valuable trading chips, it's critical for GMs to avoid committing long-term contracts to replaceable guys. Hell, Battier's whole three-year contract isn't much more than Marvin Williams makes in one season. These guys are out there if your GM is smart enough to find them.
 
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