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bleedorange0037 said:
I agree with Huff about the Pacers being at their best when Hibbert is strong on the offensive glass, but they seem to do fine with West, George and Stephenson mopping up on the defensive end while Hibbert gets back to get set on the other end.
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I agree with that too. But a center doesn't have to rebound to win. The 2 best teams the last 3 years haven't gotten many rbs out of the center position. I'm struggling to think of the last time a team with a good rebounding center made the finals.

Edit: The Mavs with Tyson Chandler
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I agree with that too. But a center doesn't have to rebound to win. The 2 best teams the last 3 years haven't gotten many rbs out of the center position. I'm struggling to think of the last time a team with a good rebounding center made the finals.

Edit: The Mavs with Tyson Chandler
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Disagree. Splitter is a good rebounder and Birdman is decent. As far as I'm concerned, Tim Duncan is a center, too.

The Heat are the exception to the rule, though. If you look at the last 20 champions, I bet the Heat are the only ones that weren't a *top rebounding team.

Perkins gets 9 rp36. He's a decent rebounder, he just doesn't get a ton of minutes.

*Edit: There are actually a few that ranked in the teens, but Lebron's teams are the worst (#21 and #30).
 
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n_huffhines said:
Disagree. Splitter is a good rebounder and Birdman is decent. As far as I'm concerned, Tim Duncan is a center, too.

The Heat are the exception to the rule, though. If you look at the last 20 champions, I bet the Heat are the only ones that weren't a top rebounding team.

Perkins gets 9 rp36. He's a decent rebounder, he just doesn't get a ton of minutes.
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Splitter is alright around 6-6.5 a game. Timmy isn't a center. The last 3 years Heat C have given them around 8 a game, OKC around 10, combined.

We were not talking about top rebounding teams, you said C must rebound for a team to win. The Bulls say hi as do the Spurs after Admiral.

Idc about per 36, i care about total C rebs for a game.

Edit: i don't like centers that don't rebound, you just don't have to have one that does to win in todays NBA.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
So Perk gives them 9 per 36 and Adams gives 10 at 36, so thats 19 rebs if they play a 72 minute game. Lol
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There are 48 minutes in a game for the center position. If each gets 24 minutes then you should expect almost 13 rebounds from the center position. That's not exactly dogging it. That's about average. All I'm saying is that they aren't hurting for boards at the 5.

All I believe I said was that "all teams need their centers to rebound." I didn't mean that a championship is impossible without a good rebounding center. Any team that wins a championship without a good rebounding center would have been a better team if their center were good at rebounding. Right?

I think we are in agreement, just misunderstanding each other.
 
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Timmy is so a center. He may be listed as a 4, but the Spurs simply play with two 5s on the floor. He's an all-time great defender of the paint and is best on offense with his back to the basket. How is he not a center? When a team plays two pass-first point guards do you call the 2nd one a shooting guard? I wouldn't.

FWIW, basketball-reference lists Timmy as a C
 
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BTW, Duncan is freaking amazing. He's better than last year and has already played more minutes. I was expecting him to be aging quickly by now.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There are 48 minutes in a game for the center position. If each gets 24 minutes then you should expect almost 13 rebounds from the center position. That's not exactly dogging it. That's about average. All I'm saying is that they aren't hurting for boards at the 5.

All I believe I said was that "all teams need their centers to rebound." I didn't mean that a championship is impossible without a good rebounding center. Any team that wins a championship without a good rebounding center would have been a better team if their center were good at rebounding. Right?

I think we are in agreement, just misunderstanding each other.
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I wish Adams played 34, they would get 10 from him.

I gotcha, I thought you were saying a team can't win without a center rebounding well. Maybe but you can't do any better than a championship. Idk if the Bulls would have been better honestly though. Of course they had the greatest rebounder ever in Rodman. Though yes a good rebounding C would help a team.

Ftr my initial post was just to take my monthly jab at Perk, and my displeasure with Seattle/OKC never really having a really good C. Though Big Smooth was ok.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Timmy is so a center. He may be listed as a 4, but the Spurs simply play with two 5s on the floor. He's an all-time great defender of the paint and is best on offense with his back to the basket. How is he not a center? When a team plays two pass-first point guards do you call the 2nd one a shooting guard? I wouldn't.

FWIW, basketball-reference lists Timmy as a C
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Everyone on the planet calls Timmy the best PF ever, in his younger years he generally matched up with PFs. Was McHale a center? Because he was exactly what you described. Do you view Dirk as a SF or a PF? Cause he plays more like SF.

FWIW basketball reference has him as a PF 9 years and a center 8.

He has become more of a center late in his career, but in his prime he was a PF. He'll go in to the hall as a PF.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Everyone on the planet calls Timmy the best PF ever, in his younger years he generally matched up with PFs. Was McHale a center? Because he was exactly what you described. Do you view Dirk as a SF or a PF? Cause he plays more like SF.

FWIW basketball reference has him as a PF 9 years and a center 8.

He has become more of a center late in his career, but in his prime he was a PF. He'll go in to the hall as a PF.
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I'd just call Dirk an F. Dirk was a decent help defender and rebounder in his prime. He's also very good with his back to the basket. He's a tweener.

I didn't really watch McHale. He retired when I was like 10 years old.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'd just call Dirk an F. Dirk was a decent help defender and rebounder in his prime. He's also very good with his back to the basket. He's a tweener.

I didn't really watch McHale. He retired when I was like 10 years old.
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McHale by what you said, would be a center. All time great post game and defender. I'd consider him as would most a PF. Big McHale fan btw, even though i hated the Celtics.

Then again I think we get to caught up in giving someone a position. As Jalen says, positions were invented to help novices understand the game better. Hell you could call LBJ everything but a C.
 
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Talking about total career productivity in post-merger era, Timmy's definitely elite. I'm kinda putting them in order, but besides the top 2, I think you can switch them around quite a bit. Duncan is probably already above Mutumbo, and definitely will be if he plays like this a few more years. Howard has the potential to move up a few spots before his career is over.

Shaq
Robinson
Hakeem
Mutumbo
Duncan
Zo
Ewing
D Howard
T Chandler
B Wallace

Kareem was better than all of them, but half of his career was pre-merger so I didn't include him. Artis Gilmore and Moses Malone belong on the list somewhere too as guys who straddled the merger.

Career per 36:
Shaq - 24.6 pp, 11.2 rp, 2.3 bp, .586 TS%
Robinson - 21.8 pp, 11 rp, 3.1 bp, .583 TS%
Hakeem - 21.9 pp, 11.2 rp, 3.1 bp, .553 TS%
 
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