NBA Combine

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#76
BadJerry20 said:
I was just messing with you. Lamb was progressing pretty well during the season, then they got Butler and he got buried on the bench. 2 things that bug me about Brooks, his loyalty to Thabo and his loyalty to Perk. Lamb should play more and Adams should start. IMO
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Perk is garbage and shouldn't be getting any minutes and like you said Adams should start. Brooks never let's the youngins get a chance to prove themselves other than Reggie. But with Ibaka out PJ should be getting minutes. Adams has definitely proved himself this playoffs though.
 
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Stoked said:
Perk is garbage and shouldn't be getting any minutes and like you said Adams should start. Brooks never let's the youngins get a chance to prove themselves other than Reggie. But with Ibaka out PJ should be getting minutes. Adams has definitely proved himself this playoffs though.
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I always forget about PJ for some reason. They have done a really good job of adding nice young players. Jackson, Lamb, PJ and Adams are really nice young pieces. I love Adams going forward. As for Perk my hate for him is well documented, that guy can't get out of here fast enough. Would really like for them to draft Stokes, with Nick closing in on the end of his career.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Which are more reasons why he should've run the floor more often. He was faster and stronger than the players he went up against. Throwing him on the block with his back to the basket and having him park down there was not cool.
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Think of how many double / doubles the kid would have had if he hand't played for Martin.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I always forget about PJ for some reason. They have done a really good job of adding nice young players. Jackson, Lamb, PJ and Adams are really nice young pieces. I love Adams going forward. As for Perk my hate for him is well documented, that guy can't get out of here fast enough. Would really like for them to draft Stokes, with Nick closing in on the end of his career.
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I've been biased with wanting to draft Stokes, but I for real think he would be a nice pick up. He could do everything Perk can do plus more for cheaper. They should have never traded Green for Perk.
 
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Stoked said:
I've been biased with wanting to draft Stokes, but I for real think he would be a nice pick up. He could do everything Perk can do plus more for cheaper. They should have never traded Green for Perk.
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I was so excited when they made that trade, I was convinced a big that could bang was the missing piece. Then Perk forgot how to play basketball. I really think Stokes would be a great pick that late in the draft.
 
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If Stokes can get that mid range jumper down he could be a David West clone, and that's pretty good. His rebounding alone will make him valuable, but a mid range jumper could make him a starter.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Think of how many double / doubles the kid would have had if he hand't played for Martin.
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Stokes just spoke about not being able to show off his skill set, but you are correct. We launched so many bad shots late in the shot clock that it allowed Maymon and stokes to clean up the boards. Since you didn't evidently watch much, stokes didn't get his double doubles because the coach got him the ball in the right places and gave him space. He went and got it. Oftentimes, we would stare and watch McRae, which allowed stokes to get position.
 
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Vols188 said:
Jarnell Stokes measured in at 6 foot 7 without shoes, 6.85 with shoes. Body fat 8.2%

Jordan McRae 6 foot 3.75 inches without shoes. Wingspan 7.050. Made 15 of 25 NBA distance 3 pointers
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That should definitely shut up the know nothins about how he was 6-6 or 6-7. He's almost 6' 9 with shoes. About the average PF height give or take. If Rodman could go crazy, he can go crazy.
 
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#85
Why Jarnell and Jordan will make it in the NBA:

A. Jarnell

1. Many of us, including me, thought Jarnell was firmly undersized at about 6’7”-6’7.5”. Turned out to be 6’8.5”, 6’9” if you don’t like decimals. That's fine for a PF. I’ve seen him knocked for short arms on here, but 7’1” is far from short and his hand size was biggest at the combine.

2. Also I’ve seen Stokes labeled as a tweener on here, When I think of tweener, I think 4’s in a 3’s body…Aaron Gordon, Jerami Grant, CJ Fair. Sorry, but Jarnell is far from that. At his best this past year, Stokes overpowered smaller players and faced-up the tall, springy shot-blockers and had success against both types. Stokes said in a DraftExpress interview that the first time he ever touched the low block was in college and prior to UT everything he did was face-up.

3. CCM hindered his offensive development severely, that + Maymon’s injury. If we saw Stokes develop at the same spots on the floor he was put at FR year, rather than confining him to the low block ONLY, we’re talking about lottery.

4. According to Draft Express, Stokes finished the shooting drills at Day 1 of the Combine as the #4th best shooting PF/C. Although those 3 players I named in #2 may be able to jump higher because of their weaker frames, Stokes outran all of them in the 3/4th quarter court sprint while being 45 pounds heavier. And that’s just unexplainable to me. Fwiw: He also was faster and jumped higher than both Randle & McAdoo.

5. Stokes most heard criticism: “Struggles with length”; Well back at Rupp earlier this year, Stokes laughed at NBA-caliber length. Shot over the top of ‘em, Took ‘em off the dribble, ran the floor, scored 20 points in a variety of ways, all while still clearing 15 boards to JRandle’s 2. Even said in post-game that he wanted to make it understood that scoring over length was no longer an issue, so that’s when I got the message and stopped critiquing him about struggling with length. This game is what could’ve been the past 2 seasons if Zo unleashed both him and McRae.

Overall: Stokes living will be made with rebounding and the more he will be able to use his body on defense in the NBA. His offensive ability will be mid-range game, posting up thinner players, and facing up the bigger guys and taking them off the dribble b/c he’s quicker. Imo, he was just simply playing out of position. Analytics say he's a lottery pick, but he's most likely a late 1st rounder

B. Jordan (This is simple)
1. If he lifts 2-3 times a day, while drinking a mass gainer before and after every workout then he will make it in the NBA.

2. The kid was born to score the basketball, which is obvious. Shot completely lights out at the Combine

3. Measurements(other than a freaking crazy 7’0” wingspan) and athletic testing were not in his favor, but whatever. This kid is simply a bucket-getter and buckets he will get. That wingspan spells “Defense” for GM’s. His athleticism results don’t tell the whole story obviously as we’ve seen him tear the roof off of TBA multiple times.

Overall: Only knock on Jordan is age and weight, plus a little decision-making. Other than that, if you’re looking for a scoring 2 guard for some firepower off the bench, then here’s McRae. Early to mid 2nd rounder
 
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AllDay865 said:
Why Jarnell and Jordan will make it in the NBA:

A. Jarnell

1. Many of us, including me, thought Jarnell was firmly undersized at about 6’7”-6’7.5”. Turned out to be 6’8.5”, 6’9” if you don’t like decimals. That's fine for a PF. I’ve seen him knocked for short arms on here, but 7’1” is far from short and his hand size was biggest at the combine.

2. Also I’ve seen Stokes labeled as a tweener on here, When I think of tweener, I think 4’s in a 3’s body…Aaron Gordon, Jerami Grant, CJ Fair. Sorry, but Jarnell is far from that. At his best this past year, Stokes overpowered smaller players and faced-up the tall, springy shot-blockers and had success against both types. Stokes said in a DraftExpress interview that the first time he ever touched the low block was in college and prior to UT everything he did was face-up.

3. CCM hindered his offensive development severely, that + Maymon’s injury. If we saw Stokes develop at the same spots on the floor he was put at FR year, rather than confining him to the low block ONLY, we’re talking about lottery.

4. According to Draft Express, Stokes finished the shooting drills at Day 1 of the Combine as the #4th best shooting PF/C. Although those 3 players I named in #2 may be able to jump higher because of their weaker frames, Stokes outran all of them in the 3/4th quarter court sprint while being 45 pounds heavier. And that’s just unexplainable to me. Fwiw: He also was faster and jumped higher than both Randle & McAdoo.

5. Stokes most heard criticism: “Struggles with length”; Well back at Rupp earlier this year, Stokes laughed at NBA-caliber length. Shot over the top of ‘em, Took ‘em off the dribble, ran the floor, scored 20 points in a variety of ways, all while still clearing 15 boards to JRandle’s 2. Even said in post-game that he wanted to make it understood that scoring over length was no longer an issue, so that’s when I got the message and stopped critiquing him about struggling with length. This game is what could’ve been the past 2 seasons if Zo unleashed both him and McRae.

Overall: Stokes living will be made with rebounding and the more he will be able to use his body on defense in the NBA. His offensive ability will be mid-range game, posting up thinner players, and facing up the bigger guys and taking them off the dribble b/c he’s quicker. Imo, he was just simply playing out of position. Analytics say he's a lottery pick, but he's most likely a late 1st rounder

B. Jordan (This is simple)
1. If he lifts 2-3 times a day, while drinking a mass gainer before and after every workout then he will make it in the NBA.

2. The kid was born to score the basketball, which is obvious. Shot completely lights out at the Combine

3. Measurements(other than a freaking crazy 7’0” wingspan) and athletic testing were not in his favor, but whatever. This kid is simply a bucket-getter and buckets he will get. That wingspan spells “Defense” for GM’s. His athleticism results don’t tell the whole story obviously as we’ve seen him tear the roof off of TBA multiple times.

Overall: Only knock on Jordan is age and weight, plus a little decision-making. Other than that, if you’re looking for a scoring 2 guard for some firepower off the bench, then here’s McRae. Early to mid 2nd rounder
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Stokes has 7'1" long arms.....that's fantastic four stuff there.
 
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AllDay865 said:
5. Stokes most heard criticism: “Struggles with length”; Well back at Rupp earlier this year, Stokes laughed at NBA-caliber length. Shot over the top of ‘em, Took ‘em off the dribble, ran the floor, scored 20 points in a variety of ways, all while still clearing 15 boards to JRandle’s 2.
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I wouldn't say that Randle has NBA caliber length.....
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#90
#90
I'm rooting for Stokes to make in the first round so bad. Just so our fans that ever doubted him will have to eat crow. I've never heard of such from a group of fans. Why a recruit would come here is beyond me. Constiently getting doubted and saying "learn another language you'll be playing in Europe" instead of getting behind one of our Vols and supporting him would make us fans look a lot less idiotic.

Stokes has a great attitude and the will to win. Him and Tobias Harris are great embassoders for our basketball program and IMO both will have long NBA career. Both have tremendous work ethics. Look at how much Stokes' freethrow percentage improved each year. Oh yeah and our fans doubted Tobias too saying he was a tweener without a position and he looks like he is doing just fine.
 
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Kusotate said:
I wouldn't say that Randle has NBA caliber length.....
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Willie Cauley-Stein and Dakari Johnson are both 7-footers, Stokes didn't match-up with Randle that game, although he kept all 3 off the glass
 
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#92
AllDay865 said:
Willie Cauley-Stein and Dakari Johnson are both 7-footers, Stokes didn't match-up with Randle that game, although he kept all 3 off the glass
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Though i understand your point, neither WCS or Johnson have impressive college numbers (collectively they average less point and rebounds than Randle).
 
#93
#93
Kusotate said:
Though i understand your point, neither WCS or Johnson have impressive college numbers (collectively they average less point and rebounds than Randle).
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I understand that, but I'm not comparing Stokes and Randle. WCS and Dakari Johnson are much better defenders than Randle just because they're tall and lanky, which was Stokes initial problem
 
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I watched the DraftExpress interview that AllDay865 was referring to and came away really impressed with Mr Stokes. I always felt that he wasn't using his entire skill set in our system and it sounds like he felt the same way. Looking forward to seeing what he can do at the next level.

Here is a link for anyone interested:
Jarnell Stokes Draft Combine Interview - YouTube
 
#95
#95
Thanks. I watched jordy's combine interview too. It would be really good for these guys to land in the NBA
 
#96
#96
BrickT21 said:
I watched the DraftExpress interview that AllDay865 was referring to and came away really impressed with Mr Stokes. I always felt that he wasn't using his entire skill set in our system and it sounds like he felt the same way. Looking forward to seeing what he can do at the next level.

Here is a link for anyone interested:
Jarnell Stokes Draft Combine Interview - YouTube
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While I agree he didn't utilize his full skill set, it wasn't in he best interest of the team for him to do so. He showed that skill set off his freshman year, but had to be transformed into a strict post presence his second year with the loss of Maymon.

It wasn't guaranteed Maymon would be back to form last year so Stokes continued that role. He will be drafted because of his numbers in that role, but his stock could increase with showing his versatility in the combine and in workouts.
 
#98
#98
Pancratz said he heard Jordan McRae was impressive in his workout today with the 76'ers.
 
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