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tvolsfan said:
If you want to discount titles because the bowl game result, then Tennessee probably doesn't deserve the 1951 national title.
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I bet you could do that for alot of schools, like I said back then they named the National Champion before the bowl game was played & 3/4s of the time that team would go on to lose in their bowl game.
 
#27
#27
jmoore_21 said:
I bet you could do that for alot of schools, like I said back then they named the National Champion before the bowl game was played & 3/4s of the time that team would go on to lose in their bowl game.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but all those videos ridiculing Bama's titles are ridiculing multiple AP national titles.
 
#28
#28
Two Vols that should have won Heismann Trophy's: (1) Johnny Majors and (2) Peyton Manning.

Manning and the Vols cleary beat Michigan. Also another year that the Vols beat a team that the Heismann winner was Eddie George of Ohio State and the Vols beat them too! Need I say more? Yes, the Vols should have won back-to-back-to back from '38 - '40. The Vols get NO RESPECT! That includes the basketball teams -Lady Vols included, especially against UConn. Who has more women's NCAA basketball titles? Why of course-Pat Summitt, not Geno! Enough said?
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but all those videos ridiculing Bama's titles are ridiculing multiple AP national titles.
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No Their first 3 titles were awarded years later. 1941 is complete BS. and ( I will count this as a legit title) 1964 championship is the reason they decided the AP poll after bowls when they lost to Texas. 1973 AP selected Notre Dame. If im correct that is 5 titles that are BS. thats all i can remember.
 
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TennFan said:
Two Vols that should have won Heismann Trophy's: (1) Johnny Majors and (2) Peyton Manning.

Manning and the Vols cleary beat Michigan. Also another year that the Vols beat a team that the Heismann winner was Eddie George of Ohio State and the Vols beat them too! Need I say more? Yes, the Vols should have won back-to-back-to back from '38 - '40. The Vols get NO RESPECT! That includes the basketball teams -Lady Vols included, especially against UConn. Who has more women's NCAA basketball titles? Why of course-Pat Summitt, not Geno! Enough said?
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Geno is going to win his 8th this year. BUT he should be coaching mens basketball.
 
#32
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Someone just dragged the Lady Vols into an argument about how Tennessee isn't getting respect?
 
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R0CKYT0P 16 said:
No Their first 3 titles were awarded years later. 1941 is complete BS. and ( I will count this as a legit title) 1964 championship is the reason they decided the AP poll after bowls when they lost to Texas. 1973 AP selected Notre Dame. If im correct that is 5 titles that are BS. thats all i can remember.
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They have 8 AP/Coaches titles, 4 titles that came before the AP/Coaches poll, and the 1941 title.
 
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tvolsfan said:
They have 8 AP/Coaches titles, 4 titles that came before the AP/Coaches poll, and the 1941 title.
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I dont agree with one coaches poll and thats 1973. The year Notre Dame got the AP but the other AP titles, I will agree with. the ones awarded like 10 years later, I dont count. But how do they count 1941? haha
 
#37
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We could also claim the 1914 & 1916 National Championship if the Athletic Deparment wanted too.
 
#41
#41
In 1938 we beat OU 17-0 in the orange bowl but OU was the NC. 6 NC's look hanging up there in the stadium but I'm a purist and I say we only have two 51 & 98.

Correct me if I'm wrong but way back in the day your local news paper could claim a NC figuratively speaking. So I don't count those others, only NCAA NC's
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#42
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Still think we should have 4 with 1951 and 1998 being our undisputed, undefeated NC's. Still should claim 38' and 50' IMO. Also, would throw 39' in there to claim.

It wasn't uncommon for teams to be rewarded NC's and lose bowl games, which were thought of as exhibition games back in the day.

Also I think 3 teams claim NC's for 38'. UT, OU, and TCU
 
#43
#43
The UT "14" claim comes from Football Data Warehouse. Using that site, Bama has 26.

The NCAA officially recognizes, 7 for UT, and 17 for Bama. Of those, UT claims 6, and Bama 13.

So Bama doesn't really claim any more BS ones than we do.
 
#44
#44
Please take in mind that the AP voting for its early years was EXTREMELY biased in favor of the big 10, mid-west schools, or USC. This bias probably shows up more in Tennessee records more than other schools however, because of the quality of teams UT fielded that went unrewarded for their success.

Also keep in mind the bowl games lost by national championship teams were in a lot of times played without many of the star players that helped make them champions to begin with, bowl games weren't terribly highly thought of except as exhibition games. That point goes for and against UT.

If you want to look at bias, the 1939 team is the flawless example. The last team to hold all opponents without a single score for the entire season, yet finishes number 2. This, in today's college football world, is an unthinkable feat. There is truly no excuse for this team not being awarded the national championship for the 1939 season, no one even scored on them.

If you want to be a purist, that's fine. But that assumes that AP was unbiased, using flawless voting systems, and that everyone actually paid attention to what anyone that wasn't in their conference was doing (which they didn't) and didn't vote based on their regional coverage preferences, which coincidentally was putting coin in their pocket. Count them all, or count none of them if you want, until there's a tournament it's subject to opinion.

Bottom line, UT had some very, very high quality teams historically that went unrecognized unfairly as national champions. In fact if you look it up there is probably fewer more championship worthy "bride's maids" for multiple occasions with national championships and Heisman trophies in the history of college football than UT. Tennnessee's football tradition and roots are far stronger than most know, even those fans of, or persons within the program. The team's history and traditions are stronger it's already impressive resume suggests, and recognized by biased polls or not UT fielded a hell of a lot of good football teams.
 
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#46
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R0CKYT0P 16 said:
I dont agree with one coaches poll and thats 1973. The year Notre Dame got the AP but the other AP titles, I will agree with. the ones awarded like 10 years later, I dont count. But how do they count 1941? haha
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I can't argue for 1941, but a service did award it, so it's not as if someone within the athletic department decided to randomly claim it. The Rose Bowl title teams of the '20s and '30s are legit claims in my opinion, as the winner of what was the lone bowl game for many years was often recognized as the nation's best. This was all before polls existed and awarded national titles consistently. The other titles are AP/Coaches/BCS titles.
 
#47
#47
caskew215 said:
Wow, ESPN hated us before they existed. Now that's the definition of hate.
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Little known fact: ESPN was started for two reasons, 1)To carry the hatred of UT (started by the AP poll pre-WWII) to a broader audience, and 2) For nationwide sports coverage.
 
#49
#49
when someone like me comes along and mentions that so much of college football's past is irrelevent compared to a more modern era, i am told that it's because i have allegiance to a school with little football history.

as far as i am concerned, if you don't even know what the hell you won......then, yeah, what kind of meaning could it have?

if you could outscore people 293-16 one season and be unranked entering the next season, how is anybody supposed to take those polls seriously or that era seriously?
 
#50
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jmoore_21 said:
Wikipedia has us at 14 National Championships

On top of the 6 the Tennessee Athletic Department claims, Tennessee has also been awarded unrecognized national championships by various organizations in eight additional years: 1914, 1927, 1928, 1931, 1939, 1956, 1985, and 1989.
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filthy bammers would have all these dates on t shirts for their obese toothless fans to wear.
 
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