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#528
landscapingvol said:
List all the developed nations that you would gladly move to where the distribution and public use of meth is legal. A poor Central or South American country that is controlled by drug cartels doesn’t count. I will hang up and listen 🤔
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Your response tells me you know what drugs this was done with and where. But I guess what the US is doing works so well so let's keep it up
 
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PointGuard said:
Anyone who denies that systemic racism exists is by default a racist IMO.
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Lol.

"Anyone who denies my religion is a heretic, even in the face of zero evidence of existence and plenty of counter evidence."

The more things change the more they stay the same. The religion of systemic racism would have fit in well back when people were being banished for saying the world wasn't flat and spun around the sun.
 
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utvolpj said:
Your response tells me you know what drugs this was done with and where. But I guess what the US is doing works so well so let's keep it up
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I don’t disagree but I do believe that meth, heroin, and fentanyl have zero place in any society. They are highly addictive and extremely dangerous
 
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#531
landscapingvol said:
List all the developed nations that you would gladly move to where the distribution and public use of meth is legal. A poor Central or South American country that is controlled by drug cartels doesn’t count. I will hang up and listen 🤔
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What kind of argument is this? You know meth is legally sold in this country. All you have to do is remove the prescription requirement and it's pharmaceutical companies selling regulated meth to addicts instead of them buying garbage made in a dirty lab by criminals.

BTW, Portugal decriminalized drugs and things have been going really well.
 
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#533
landscapingvol said:
I don’t disagree but I do believe that meth, heroin, and fentanyl have zero place in any society. They are highly addictive and extremely dangerous
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And yet they exist in society, despite our attacks on individual liberty.
 
#536
#536
landscapingvol said:
My wife has bone cancer, I can assure you that they are the only pain killers strong enough to work in certain instances
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Whoa brother.

Did not know about this. We can and will pray for her, we are a team here in the PF. If you want, just make a mention in the gramps OT thread and we can help with that much at least . Cancer took my dad less than 2 years ago. Hate cancer with a passion. God bless you and yours brother. You guys are at war...we have your back though.
 
#539
#539
n_huffhines said:
The war on drugs was started by Republicans. The war on drugs was largely ramped up by Republicans. The war on drugs has wreaked havoc on these Democrat bastions. You may not consider yourself a Republican, but if you're calling out dems only instead of calling out both parties (or just the bad policies), then you're biased.
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Blame to go around, but Republicans today don't dictate local policy. War on drugs does not explain the problems of the African American community, I will concede it may be a portion of the problem and has had a negative effect.
 
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hog88 said:
The vast majority of opioid addicts started with legal prescriptions. The opioid crisis was government made with their focus on pain.
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At the behest of Big Pharma by the way. The makers of prescription opiates want opiate addiction just as much as the heroin pushers do. They all have $$$ riding on this.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
lol do we? Because any time the police attempt to arrest someone for something like this, your side thinks they are out of line and shouldn't be involved in minor offenses and should let the person go
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So, are you saying that it's your logic that drugs should be illegal because they lead to "minor offenses"? Or was your logic that drugs should be illegal because they lead to major offense? And thus, if you just arrested the major offenses when they occurred, the "other side" wouldn't have an issue with it?
 
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#543
landscapingvol said:
I don’t disagree but I do believe that meth, heroin, and fentanyl have zero place in any society. They are highly addictive and extremely dangerous
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I know someone with a spine that has been operated on five times. Fentanyl patches help him manage his pain so he can live a semi-normal life.

As far as cancer goes, everyone I know got either percocet, morphine or dilaudid for their pain. I could see how fentanyl would help.

My best wishes to you and your wife in her bout with cancer.
 
#544
#544
hog88 said:
I didn't say there weren't legitimate needs for opioids but they have been prescribed like candy.
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I cut my finger off on a broken smashed Snapple bottle when I was a teenager. They put it back on but I got a Franken finger now that is a tad shorter than its counterpart.

They gave me all kinds of pain pills and I was higher than a kite. You could have thrown me down a flight of stairs and I would have been giggling.
 
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When my wife came home from the hospital after being intubated and on a trach for more than five weeks in ICU, she had fentanyl patches as a supplement for her pain management. We have dogs and children around. Nobody overdosed. I kept up with those patches and put them on her and disposed of them properly. They serve a medical purpose, and it's about being responsible with the drug, as it is with any drug.

When you have a patient who has been receiving an IV of dilaudid at the maximum dose for an extended period (basically the equivalent of pharmaceutical-grade heroin), and that person is able to step-down and function on 30-40 mg of percocet or hydrocodone per day, then that person has made a recovery.

Some people need these medications. This is not directed at anyone here, but people/politicians who want to just go in and outlaw these, can suck it. Period.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Not sure, but there is somewhat precedence. The interned Japanese Americans were awarded $20K each decades ago. Not sure if they were ancestral though.
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Most of them were American citizens (more Democrat terrorism). Blacks weren't citizens until 1868, with slavery being abolished a few years prior. Reagan cut checks for $20k to all survivors in the 80's, and I think everyone received some sort of payout eventually but it was only to survivors or the children of a person interred there. I'd wager 99% of blacks today have zero proof that anyone in their family was a slave. Sure, they most likely were, but there is no tangible evidence to support any of their claims unlike the Japanese who were documented in the camps. Then of course you have the blacks who came (and still come) to this country after slavery was abolished. They can't claim anything. 600,000 plus dead and freedom should be reparations enough because no amount of money is going to fix any of their problems.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, are you saying that it's your logic that drugs should be illegal because they lead to "minor offenses"? Or was your logic that drugs should be illegal because they lead to major offense? And thus, if you just arrested the major offenses when they occurred, the "other side" wouldn't have an issue with it?
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my logic is that drugs lead to about 75% of ALL crime (major and minor) and providing even more of them to people, even legally is not the way to fix the issue.

The reason i said the "other side" was referencing to Huff stating "we already have laws on the books for these minor offenses" when he has constantly shown that he is against officers enforcing and arresting people for those same offenses
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
my logic is that drugs lead to about 75% of ALL crime (major and minor) and providing even more of them to people, even legally is not the way to fix the issue.

The reason i said the "other side" was referencing to Huff stating "we already have laws on the books for these minor offenses" when he has constantly shown that he is against officers enforcing and arresting people for those same offenses
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Ok, let's say your 75% stat is correct. Is most of that crime committed in the attempt to get more drugs (stealing), selling drugs or turf wars between drug dealers?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
my logic is that drugs lead to about 75% of ALL crime (major and minor) and providing even more of them to people, even legally is not the way to fix the issue.

The reason i said the "other side" was referencing to Huff stating "we already have laws on the books for these minor offenses" when he has constantly shown that he is against officers enforcing and arresting people for those same offenses
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I was merely pointing out the subtle equivocation that you were relying on to answer an objection to your logic. Your logic was for preventive laws (again, by the way) because drug use leads to other crimes. Huff said to just arrest for those crimes like other areas of society.

Your defense against that was that he'd then tell you not to arrest for that, since it would be minor crimes.

My question was whether your argument was to send people to prison for decades because drugs lead to minor crimes. We both know it wasn't. It was because they lead to major crimes...crimes that huff probably wouldn't hold against you for prosecuting. So why the red herring? It seems a bit disingenuous to the discussion.

Personally, I'm conflicted on the issue and don't know where I fall on it. But I won't be convinced by equivovation, and I think the issue is serious enough to society to discuss with better than that.
 
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#550
KB5252 said:
Blame to go around, but Republicans today don't dictate local policy. War on drugs does not explain the problems of the African American community, I will concede it may be a portion of the problem and has had a negative effect.
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It is the largest government portion of their problem, by a mile. People are worried about absent Fathers...the war on drugs separates fathers from their kids. People are worried about black on black violence. The war on drugs is a large source of violence within the black community. Worried about drug dealing opportunities taking kids out of school and away from more honorable work? End the war on drugs, problem solved.
 
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