NASCAR wants answers for rating drop

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NASCAR, Fox look for answers on ratings dip - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports

I believe I may have part of answer for them. I believe ratings have dropped partly because that casual NASCAR fans are tired of watching an entire race just to see the same handful of drivers make it to victory lane, especially when the one that makes it there the most is despised by most fans. It's been a little better this year, but in 2008 you could almost bet before the race started that after a long race day either Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, or Jimmie Johnson would spray champagne in the winner's circle. Fans just don't want to waste their entire Sunday when they can count on one hand the drivers that will probably win any given race. NASCAR created the COT partly for an increase in competitiveness, but the cream still rises to the top.
 
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Some say it would make it too dangerous, it would definately increase risk but the same type of fans that loved no restrictor plate / monte carlo body style nascar racing would go watch gladiators fight. Danger is sexy and it sells. That and dump the chase...go back to the old point system.
 
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I agree with you 100%. But this has been creeping up on nascar for years, The old school fans like myself always watched the races because of the manufactures(ford vs Chevy)and pulling for you're favorite driver. The best funded teams are winning the races and all the cars are the same except for the manufacture stickers. The old argument with your Buddy about what make is gonna win is a thing of the past
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NASCAR, Fox look for answers on ratings dip - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports
I believe I may have part of answer for them. I believe ratings have dropped partly because that casual NASCAR fans are tired of watching an entire race just to see the same handful of drivers make it to victory lane, especially when the one that makes it there the most is despised by most fans. It's been a little better this year, but in 2008 you could almost bet before the race started that after a long race day either Kyle Busch, Carl Edwards, or Jimmie Johnson would spray champagne in the winner's circle. Fans just don't want to waste their entire Sunday when they can count on one hand the drivers that will probably win any given race. NASCAR created the COT partly for an increase in competitiveness, but the cream still rises to the top.
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tonyvolsfan05 said:
I agree with you 100%. But this has been creeping up on nascar for years, The old school fans like myself always watched the races because of the manufactures(ford vs Chevy)and pulling for you're favorite driver. The best funded teams are winning the races and all the cars are the same except for the manufacture stickers. The old argument with your Buddy about what make is gonna win is a thing of the past
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i've only really gotten into racing the last 4 or 5 yrs, but i'm like u. i pull for chevy, and then i have a couple of drivers i pull for. one being smoke and when he was in a toyota last yr it made me sick. 2 bad kyle busch is in one now.
 
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Just for the record, there have been six different winners in nine races so far in 2009. That seems a lot like parity to me. Three have two wins. They represent four team owners. Hendrick has the most with four wins, Gibbs and Roush each has two , with Penske having one.

I think the problem is the lack of brand competition there used to be, and the biggest reason is the look alike cars. Also, the race coverage is too long caused by starting too early, and they still do not keep up with the cars out of the top 5 or 10 as well as they could.
 
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some of the races are just too long. the best track on the circuit has ben ruined too. i know the racing there is just so much better, but there are many fans that disagree with that. i am one of them. the thing that made bristol great is that it was tough to pass. now, its just like all the other boring tracks. the excitement is gone.
 
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rpvol said:
some of the races are just too long. the best track on the circuit has ben ruined too. i know the racing there is just so much better, but there are many fans that disagree with that. i am one of them. the thing that made bristol great is that it was tough to pass. now, its just like all the other boring tracks. the excitement is gone.
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i agree they ruined bristol
 
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rpvol said:
some of the races are just too long. the best track on the circuit has ben ruined too. i know the racing there is just so much better, but there are many fans that disagree with that. i am one of them. the thing that made bristol great is that it was tough to pass. now, its just like all the other boring tracks. the excitement is gone.
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I have advocated shorter races on this board more than once, but I disagree about Bristol. To me passing is the gist of racing. Watching cars play follow the leader until someone makes a mistake or rooting him out of the groove is what I call boring. When I raced on road courses, the fun was catching and passing a competitor. Seeing you were gaining on someone gave an extra motivation to push a little harder.e
 
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rbroyles said:
I have advocated shorter races on this board more than once, but I disagree about Bristol. To me passing is the gist of racing. Watching cars play follow the leader until someone makes a mistake or rooting him out of the groove is what I call boring. When I raced on road courses, the fun was catching and passing a competitor. Seeing you were gaining on someone gave an extra motivation to push a little harder.e
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i see what you are saying, but bristol was always thought of to be going back to nascars roots. the short dirt tracks on sat night. that is what drivers do there, they root each other out of the way. alot of fans found that appealing. now not so much.

i think the majority of the fans agree. the ticket sales and people giving up season tickets support that. sure the economy plays a small part in that but it has been happening slowly over the past 3 years. i would almost bet that if the track was the same, they would not have missed a beat.
 
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Problems...

1) Cookie Cutter Tracks
2) Brand Visibilty
3) Length of Race
4) Lack of Rivalry's

There are more but there's a start.
 
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rpvol said:
the short dirt tracks on sat night. that is what drivers do there, they root each other out of the way.
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every dirt track i've ever been to has multiple grooves that allow for great side by side racing. nothing like seeing two guys go into the corner side by side, one goes low and the other goes high, and they come down the straight side by side again.

i don't think i've ever been to a dirt track with one groove down low where the drivers have to wreck each other to get by. if you have, please let me know where and i'll be sure to avoid it.
 
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Digger

most kids that watch Nascar do so because their parents do, not because of some stupid cgi groundhog. and really, why should Nascar give a damn about the 12 and under demographic?
 
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MG1968 said:
Digger

most kids that watch Nascar do so because their parents do, not because of some stupid cgi groundhog. and really, why should Nascar give a damn about the 12 and under demographic?
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Agree, but it's the TV coverage in general, from the way too long prerace shows, to the mindless banter in the booth, to showing us the windshield tear offs each week, and so on. I've taken to bringing a radio and a 12 pack down to the river out back and listening to MRN and fishing.
 
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MG1968 said:
Digger

most kids that watch Nascar do so because their parents do, not because of some stupid cgi groundhog. and really, why should Nascar give a damn about the 12 and under demographic?
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Maybe they think that digger will get them to watch mmore and then become "racing" fans as they get older. That's the only explaination I can come up with. I wouldn't say it's going to work though...
 
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NASCAR thinks the ratings are bad now....wait untill ESPN takes over. Iwould take Fox any day over them.
 
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doozer said:
every dirt track i've ever been to has multiple grooves that allow for great side by side racing. nothing like seeing two guys go into the corner side by side, one goes low and the other goes high, and they come down the straight side by side again.

i don't think i've ever been to a dirt track with one groove down low where the drivers have to wreck each other to get by. if you have, please let me know where and i'll be sure to avoid it.
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i never said wreck, but your kidding yourself if you think they don't mix it up on the dirt tracks. i saw elliot and dale sr. dirt trackin in ga. in 91 and there was more rubbin in those 50 laps than i have ever seen at bristol. my point is that the racing there is not the same and there are way more people that like to see them get aggressive. hell richmond is as good as bristol now if not better. thats just sad.

for the record, most of the dirt track racing i have seen has been at bulls gap and no its not a wreck fest.
 
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1.) Crappy Cookie Cutter Tracks
2.) Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs monpoly on winning.
3.) Over produced, WWF stlye garbage, its now more of a "show" then an actual racing event.



Solutions:
-MAKE MORE SHORT TRACKS!!!!!
-Limit each owner to 2 teams, no more "satellite" teams.
-Make each owner build their own engins instead of leasing them. (All fords currently use Roush/Yates, Chevy use Hendrick and Toyota use Gibbs/TRD
-Get rid of the gimmicks (Digger)
-Let the drivers handle their problems on the track, if somebody is driving aggresivley, then let the other drivers handle it, the aggresive driver will calm down within a week or two, guranteed.
-Make a season sponsorship "cap" say $10 mil a year? Let smaller companies in and more teams.

Bottom line is they need to stop trying making changes in the name to attract new viewers, and start concentrating on how to keep the ones they have.

Hey heres an idea, try to win back some of the ones they alienated by making NASCAR CRAP!



I personally think its compete garbage that the Woods and Petty Enterprises have been squeezed out because they dont have the money to compete.



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For the younger racing fans like myself, it's gotten exceedingly boring to watch. The cars are all the same now, the races are too long, and the drivers are exceedingly devoid of any charisma(See Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon for example). They all say the same thing. "Good race, we ran good, I'd like to thank the (sponsor goes here) (make of car goes here) car and the guys behind it all.

Oh yes, more southern tracks as well.
 
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The car of tomorrow has ruined the opportunity for rednecks like myself to throw it in a chevy man's face when a Ford wins.
 
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