Nascar intends to break the NCAA

[m1al]

Why did they lose you? Why would you never watch? Maybe it was in another post--I didn't read them all.

It wasn't just one thing, but I'llgive it a shot.

Too much jacking with the rules, the "playoff" , trying to erase the roots of the sport, eliminating "colorful" characters, eliminating creative interpretation of the rules, trying to suck up to everyone, thereby alienating the core fanbase that helped make the sport, continuing to put the absolute crap product of restrictor plate racing on the track to placate the stupid part of the fanbase that actually believe that is racing, building more 'cookie cutter', profit ratio friendly 1.5 mile tracks instead of some new short tracks where the real and exciting races happen.etc..... I could probably go on but I think you'll get where I'm coming from.

I like to see racing where the driver's skill and balls make the difference, not the sterile, boring product they present today.

 

[CR-vol]

How many cars have single full sponsorship these days?

I don't think any car out there has a single sponsor for 36 races. I know the point you think you're making is that sponsors have or are bailing out but the facts don't support that.

How many unsponsored cars do you see out there these days on any given race? It's rare. That was actually more common in "the good old days". The advertising model has changed.

Not many companies out there can step up and cover $20-$25 million or whatever a full season would cost on a top tier ride. The teams are getting that money from several sponsors instead of just 1 sponsor now. That's more advertisers involved in the sport not less.

 

[Kinglberry]

"Get off my lawn" post of the year right here

Always somebody disparaging another for their "old" views. Let me guess you also use the term Boomer as well.

 

[ManchesterV]

NASCAR died when Dale Earnhardt died. Sad but true. I was never a NASCAR fan but I followed it because I had a business involved to a small degree with it. Trust me, interest in the sport died immediately when he passed. Again, I’ve never been a race guy but he was a great competitor and NASCAR lost it when he left. Todays racers make their money before they start their engines like todays golfers make theirs before they tee off. Racers today should thank Earnhardt & golfers should thank Tiger”


Some don’t realize how true this actually is. True story, I can’t remember exactly what year because I am getting really old, but I believe it was 99-00. I was at the Bristol spring race back when they packed 150,000 people in the place. Earnhardt starts way in the back that day but charges through the field like it’s 1990. It was one of the more impressive things I’ve seen at a race. Anyway, on what i believe was the very first lap after he took the lead, a car hits the wall, bounces off and takes Earnhardt out of the race. Here’s the defining moment - I don’t feel I’m exaggerating when I say that 60,000 people got up and left not even half way through the race. Point is, they weren’t NASCAR fans at all. They were Earnhardt fans. I was one of them. I wanted to leave too, but rode with a Wallace fan.

 

[rush1228]

I don't think every race is scripted, don't think NASCAR has gotten that desperate yet. The only scripted one I know of was when Dale Sr was killed at Daytona, it was not a coincidence that Dale Jr. won the next race at Daytona. I 100% believe that was scripted.

No it wasnt a coincidence he won the next race since he finished 2nd and his teammate won the 500.So they come back in July and finish 1 and 2 again.DeI cars were the cars to beat at Daytona and Talladega for about a 10 year stretch.

 

[Riverratvolfan]

I’m glad some people enjoy nascar. We should find enjoyment anywhere we can, but me personally I would find more enjoyment stacking hay in a barn loft in August as to watching nascar.

 

[CR-vol]

There were lots of fair weather Earnhardt fans back in the day and to a tee every one of them says the sport died when he did. They're like Alabama fans imo. Never really cared for him and quit following nascar in the 90's for several years when he won a championship with several races left to be run in the season. The sport's still here and always has been bigger than any one person involved in it.

 

[TNnative]

I've never been a big NASCAR fan, but my brother was until about 10 years ago.

In your opinion, what happened to NASCAR?

NASCAR lost me the day Dale Sr. died. I grew up around racing fans, but never gave a rat's rectum about it. Not until my little sister married a guy who was into it, and he thought Darrell Waltrip hung the moon. He hated Earnhardt during the time he kept making Waltrip's life a living Hell. I just happened to tune in the day Dale wrecked him, and I watched the interviews. Waltrip whined like a teenage girl, and Earnhardt? "That's racing".

My brother in law was madder than a wet hen the next day. And he went on about it for about 30 minutes. I just said, "Well Hell? That's racing." My little sister didn't know whether to be mad at me, or laugh. Her husband wouldn't speak to me for a week. But after that? I finally gave a damn about it. But what love I ever had for it? Died after I found out that minor looking wreck took him, because he had someone alter his racing harness, and it failed. I have maybe watched 30 minutes total of NASCAR since, and that is a generous estimate.

I am sure there is more behind it, but I think the day Dale died was a big part of it. That, plus the fact this next generation of racers? Will never ever be what that generation of drivers before them were. Those guys were colorful characters. The new guys are either just boring, or too scared to be themselves due to the PC world forcing NASCAR to sanction them.

Plus, I think the true diehard NASCAR fans that have been the backbone of the sport, are tired of it trying to shed it's redneck image. They have two choices: Go back to their roots, and make the rednecks happy again. OR watch the interest die.

Doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[first time caller]

They're struggling to find sponsors, they out priced their fan base, they manufacture drama such as the Bubba Wallace incident and its full of rich kids now. They have piss poor TV ratings, tracks can't sell out, in fact many are having to remove seats use Charlotte as an example. It's a terrible product that will be extinct in 5-8 years.

I'll get back with you in 5 years

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

NASCAR lost me the day Dale Sr. died. I grew up around racing fans, but never gave a rat's rectum about it. Not until my little sister married a guy who was into it, and he thought Darrell Waltrip hung the moon. He hated Earnhardt during the time he kept making Waltrip's life a living Hell. I just happened to tune in the day Dale wrecked him, and I watched the interviews. Waltrip whined like a teenage girl, and Earnhardt? "That's racing".

My brother in law was madder than a wet hen the next day. And he went on about it for about 30 minutes. I just said, "Well Hell? That's racing." My little sister didn't know whether to be mad at me, or laugh. Her husband wouldn't speak to me for a week. But after that? I finally gave a damn about it. But what love I ever had for it? Died after I found out that minor looking wreck took him, because he had someone alter his racing harness, and it failed. I have maybe watched 30 minutes total of NASCAR since, and that is a generous estimate.

I am sure there is more behind it, but I think the day Dale died was a big part of it. That, plus the fact this next generation of racers? Will never ever be what that generation of drivers before them were. Those guys were colorful characters. The new guys are either just boring, or too scared to be themselves due to the PC world forcing NASCAR to sanction them.

Plus, I think the true diehard NASCAR fans that have been the backbone of the sport, are tired of it trying to shed it's redneck image. They have two choices: Go back to their roots, and make the rednecks happy again. OR watch the interest die.

Doesn't matter to me either way.

Amazing. Another one who has watched 30 minutes of Nascar in 20+ years and yet someone knows just what is wrong with it and just how to fix it.

BTW, ever heard of Kyle Busch?

 

[Cartervol]

1) Took away the manufacturing wars, made the cars all the same
2) No personalities with the drivers anymore, all tow the corporate BS lines.
3) Took the pit crews and the crew chiefs out of the race.
4) Tried to appeal to too broad a audience. They stopped doing the things that made it watchable..
5) The sport pretty much died in turn 3 at Daytona in Feb. of 2001.. Went downhill after that..
It's a dying sport.

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

I grew up in a NASCAR family and a fan of Bill Elliott.
But so help me, I had the choice on tv today if the LA NASCAR event or Olympic Curling and watched 2 1/2 hours of guys and girls heading polished rocks down a frozen pond.

NASCAR needs to rethink their approach...

Back in the day I used to work with Root family and MRN...Big Bill France Little Billy France must be flipping over in their graves . His grand kid Jim is driving it into woke oblivion. Get woke go broke . Absolute a$$ clown and total sh#! show nowadays

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I'll get back with you in 5 years

Please do by that time the WNBA and womens soccer league will have more viewers.

This was right before covid by the way 38000 people for Bristol
NASCAR: Despite attendance woes, NASCAR continues to roll on

The dirt race didnt they tried was an epic fail in terms of attendance

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

The dirt race didnt they tried was an epic fail in terms of attendance

You're misinformed. The Bristol dirt race was sold out. They limited seating due to covid.

 

[87&91ALUM]

Mixed feelings on this one. I have a DVR so there is that. I remember my our family outings to a roadside park, concrete picnic table, friend chicken and all the fixings, and dad having MRN on the AM radio. Richard Petty was my hero. I think NASCAR, like everybody else, doesn't give a flip for their fans or history and heritage anymore. They are all scoundrels, scamps and thieves for the almighty dollar. They are crawling under the door of the next billionaire donor who wants a piece of the action. I assume there will be a track in Beijing and Moscow soon since they are the only folks producing carbon based fuels...aka gas. I'll watch when I'm not fishing or hunting or gardening or grilling, or playing my guitar. When they stop saying the pledge, honoring our military and law enforcement officers, and saying a prayer before the race, or running EVs/virtual races, I'll drop them.

 

[87&91ALUM]

I don't think that is true for the live crowd. Be interested in the numbers. Coliseum as configured would hold 60,000. Daytona holds 101,500. The real money is in the days and nights leading up to the event and Speedweeks or three day events at Bristol, Phoenix, and Talladega boast huge crowds and big revenues. We have seen folks bail on politically charged TV overnight. The Olympics opening ceremony dropped 43% from 2018. There is no comparison to a live race and one watched on TV. Ditto Neyland Stadium or home with a big screen. One more comment, the future is with the young folks and whatever they are going to support, that is where the dollars will roll. Us old folks are lucky to have 100+ channels vs my dad's three. Watched my dad grow old and grumpy. I plan to live my last years happy, happy, happy.

 

[Rooster1]

Though NASCAR has neglected their primary fan base, I would hope they would not try to compete against college football. The "core" fans probably prefer college to NFL so running against an SEC game would be more detrimental to ratings than against the Titans or Falcons (or whatever game is on in region) game. Plus, running on Saturday nights would hurt the local tracks, something that surely they would want to avoid.

I would guess the opposite tbh. I think "core" Nascar fans prob relate to the NFL way more than to college football.....Not a lot of nascar fans walking around college campuses.

 

[WBO]

How many cars have single full sponsorship these days?

Interesting question. As much as it costs to run a team, I would think the answer is zero but you never know. At the end of his career AJ Foyt ran some uncompetitive cars but he owned the teams and I think he may have had just a single sponsor.

 

[jbeeman85]

I would guess the opposite tbh. I think "core" Nascar fans prob relate to the NFL way more than to college football.....Not a lot of nascar fans walking around college campuses.

I was going off how it seems that people in the Southeast tend to follow college football more than NFL, not that they actively attend college (or went to college).

 

[smokeycoonhoundUT]

Personally, if there’s a race on Saturday during a Vol football game… I watch the Vols and flip to the race during the seemingly never ending commercials. I’ll take Vol football over NASCAR any day and I’m a graduate of NASCAR Tech in Mooresville, NC…. But it’s still pretty freakin cool to listen to race engines being dyno tuned during your lunch break…

 

[ksgovols]

They want to race on Saturdays instead of competing with the NFL.

Reggie Bush and Eric Dickerson were the celebrities for Nascar's opening event of 2022.

One had their heisman trophy repo'd and the other got a university the death penalty.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Who?

 

[SlipKidVol]

and it used to be Ford vs Chevy, you had to be one or the other and you hated every driver that wasn't in your brand

 

[Volsfaninva917]

You're misinformed. The Bristol dirt race was sold out. They limited seating due to covid.

But if we're being realistic it wouldn't have drawn much more over that. Bristol and Nascar have been dying by a thousand cuts the last few years and that trend will continue.

I'm not a fan, haven't been but I followed a few situations closely. Like 2 years ago with the manufacturered Wallace drama, they alienated their entire fan base by labeling them racist. That was by design, they wanted their foundation out so they could start fresh and appeal to the millennial.

Regardless, I couldn't care less. Nascar will take care of itself. You have your opinion and I have mine

 

[Fightmaker]

Now that's funny, might work in ACC territory. Talladega against Tuscaloosa? Bristol against Knoxville? Atlanta against Athens? Daytona against Gainesville. I know who I will take.

I knew Larry Carrier (Former owner of Bristol Motor Speedway) very well back in the day, and he would always say that anybody who competed with UT football with any event was an idiot. He wouldn’t have ever even turned the lights on at Bristol if UT was playing.