Napier waiting for the perfect storm

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rocytop2624 said:
He will read Vols fury today if he hires another cordinater.
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That there is the exact problem. Sometimes we fans need to simply stop complaining. A lot act as though they could make the perfect hire. No one sits in on the interviews to understand why we end up with who we do. Truth is, Freeze may not be willing to come. He has stated he would like the job in the past but nothing from him since all of this violations debacle. I honestly feel that Pruitt and company has turned some real prospects away.
 
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I know he would never spill the beans publicly but i would love to hear Napier’s assesment of each of the programs that he has turned down.
 
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To me this statement is pretty telling, “He doesn’t want to take a job that already has immediate disadvantage built in before you play a game,” a person close to Napier told 247Sports".

He probably sees the UT job as having too many disadvantages which is understandable, right now. I would love to see Napier as the head coach at UT and I think the AD would give him what he wants to be successful. Would having everything you need or want be enough to get him out of Louisiana?
 
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Boston_Vol said:
I got a feeling Danny White is going to make an underwhelming hire at UT and will spend the next 3 year hoping and praying it works out. You need a HC that can adjust, be flexible, and able to use what he has. Since Elliot is light on experience I can see him trying to force his system on the players and it not working because we don't have the 5 star talent he's use to having.
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Fans have hopium Danny White does not, hope he knows. When he makes the hire, he will know the process and the Timeline for it to work...It may not appeal to fans, but it will be on his timeline, his process and his expected progress.

Some Fans may hoot and holler, some will sit on their hands, but White will not Care because he will know the hire points and the release point....Elliot, Napier, ? (someone not on radar)
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
It’s relative. The competition is worse in lower levels, but so are the resources. And given those resources he hired good coaches every time. What’s UTs track record over the last 4 football coaches? 0 for 4. What’s our basketball track record over the past 5 basketball coaches? 2 for 5.

White is the best AD we’ve had since Dickey. And possibly better since this guy can hire a basketball coach too. If we “settle” for Elliott that is more of a reflection on the current situation than on White. Literally no one we hire will make the fan base happy. Neyland had no head coaching experience. Neither did Lombardi. But they won right away because of attention to detail and leadership skills. Our experienced coaches Dooley and Jones still sucked. White knows what will work here. He was hired to resurrect UCF from 0-12. They brought in a first time coach and went 14-0 in 2 years. That may not happen here, but we will be in much better shape in 2 years.
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NO I don't think that will happen here!!
 
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ScottyG210 said:
To me this statement is pretty telling, “He doesn’t want to take a job that already has immediate disadvantage built in before you play a game,” a person close to Napier told 247Sports".

He probably sees the UT job as having too many disadvantages which is understandable, right now. I would love to see Napier as the head coach at UT and I think the AD would give him what he wants to be successful. Would having everything you need or want be enough to get him out of Louisiana?
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Excellent summary and your question at the end will like make the call for Napier.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
What we won’t know until he leaves Clemson is how much of their success he is responsible for. He has been a recruiter, strong position coach, and now play caller. He has a sterling reputation, unlike Pruitt.

The #1 thing we need is someone who can build a new culture. It doesn’t matter if we bring in the wishbone or single wing as our offense. Pruitt was a example of a stubborn, arrogant first time coach. I’m 100% sure White won’t hire another version of that.
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I keep going back to the program being bigger than the last 3 guys could handle. White needs to hire an Alpha dog. None of the last 3 were real leaders of anything.
 
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Boston_Vol said:
I got a feeling Danny White is going to make an underwhelming hire at UT and will spend the next 3 year hoping and praying it works out. You need a HC that can adjust, be flexible, and able to use what he has. Since Elliot is light on experience I can see him trying to force his system on the players and it not working because we don't have the 5 star talent he's use to having.
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You know until the last 3 years or so, the talent at Clemson has been on par with us. They routinely finished outside the top 10 in recruiting. The difference is, they identified recruits that fit their system and they actually developed their talent.
 
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Special Ed said:
Danny White had better hurry up and hire a coach before the speculation on VolNation runs wild...
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We already have people starting threads about coaches they’re lukewarm about. Not “hire this guy he’s amazing!”. I get that. But actual “I think this guy would be okay.”
 
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Who cares that he passed on South Carolina? While it's become a better job than it used to be, it's not typically considered a 1st Tier job.

Auburn is a bit different, but Auburn also has the misfortune of being in the same state as Saban.

All the other jobs it mentioned that he passed on are typically considered to be in the bottom half of the SEC.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
I know, it's another Saban guy. But who isn't anymore? My 1 and 2 would be Freeze and Kiffin. Beyond that, with the names we're seeing and probably have a real shot at... It's almost a toss up. Between Napier, Campbell, Fleck, Dykes, and Elliott. Which are all good candidates outside of Eliot. Id put Napier and Campbell at 3 a/b.

Here's a good read on Napier. Maybe it's Tennessee he's waiting on?

Why Billy Napier keeps passing up Power 5 jobs
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He's waiting on the LSU job!
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
What we won’t know until he leaves Clemson is how much of their success he is responsible for. He has been a recruiter, strong position coach, and now play caller. He has a sterling reputation, unlike Pruitt.

The #1 thing we need is someone who can build a new culture. It doesn’t matter if we bring in the wishbone or single wing as our offense. Pruitt was a example of a stubborn, arrogant first time coach. I’m 100% sure White won’t hire another version of that.
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Pruitt was a DC for two different teams that won the NC and not to mention was a DC for Georgia who fielded good defenses. Elliot's experience is weak and honestly, is not more impressive than Pruitt. He's only been a full OC for 1 year. Also, the argument for Pruitt "only being successful because of having top talent" applies to Elliot.

Culture only goes so far before it comes down to Xs and Os/player development. Tons of coaches bring a great culture but fail.
 
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LittleVol said:
Kiffin is also a Saban guy now...
None of them can beat Saban. Including Kiffin.
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You give Kiffin 3 or 4 years to get his kind of players i believe he can beat Saban. Just do not know if Saban will be around that long. He probaly will retire befor then
 
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VolForLife83 said:
I know, it's another Saban guy. But who isn't anymore? My 1 and 2 would be Freeze and Kiffin. Beyond that, with the names we're seeing and probably have a real shot at... It's almost a toss up. Between Napier, Campbell, Fleck, Dykes, and Elliott. Which are all good candidates outside of Eliot. Id put Napier and Campbell at 3 a/b.

Here's a good read on Napier. Maybe it's Tennessee he's waiting on?

Why Billy Napier keeps passing up Power 5 jobs
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He’s damn good and should be at the top of the list near Kiffin
 
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Blah Blah Blah - none of us have a CLUE about the next HC. None of us on here saw Danny White or Pruitt coming.

I want the best man for the job, whomever he will be and yet, refuse to say "we gotta hire this guy" or "we'd be nuts to not look at ________ for the HC position", etc. In fact, we've all been WAY WRONG on the last several hires, haven't we??

Sit back, relax and let's talk about the new UT cheerleader outfits.
 
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dcm3w said:
Pruitt was a DC for two different teams that won the NC and not to mention was a DC for Georgia who fielded good defenses. Elliot's experience is weak and honestly, is not more impressive than Pruitt. He's only been a full OC for 1 year. Also, the argument for Pruitt "only being successful because of having top talent" applies to Elliot.

Culture only goes so far before it comes down to Xs and Os/player development. Tons of coaches bring a great culture but fail.
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Tee Martin’s experience is weak. Elliott brings things other than x/o mastery. Those intangibles are for White to know and for us to find out.

Many NFL coaches hired are position coaches. What matters is communication, discipline, and attention to detail.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Tee Martin’s experience is weak. Elliott brings more than merely x/o mastery. Those intangibles are for White to know and for us to find out.

Most NFL coaches hired are position coaches. What matters is communication, discipline, and attention to detail.
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...Tee is co-OC
 
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Boston_Vol said:
And that's what has fans uneasy you won't know until he leave Clemson and he's on the Sidelines at UT making horrible decisions then we have to support the bull every Saturday and wait to be put out our misery. I don't blame the fans one bit.
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I have no idea what White's list looks like, but you have to have fallback plans during a search process. He needs to get the best guy that will come, and that COULD be more limited than we would like due to the NCAA uncertainty. You can't sell championships to players if you are not eligible to compete. I would bet he is not looking for a two step plan, but has to accept that may come into play depending on the reception he gets by his targets. A down the list hire or an interim may end up being the best ANYONE can do here right now. Judging White's competence based on speculation on candidates is a fool's errand. Go count how many of those are going on. Sad.
 
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