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Here goes!

I'm going to use real world scenarios in trying to compare the issues with this team.

Elite combat units in the military are made up of the best of the best. These units are rarely compiled of new recruits for varying reasons. The most important aspect is experience. These units practice and practice scenarios over and over again in order to be the best. When a new member comes into the unit, there is a learning curve for that new member in order for them to be a cohesive and deadly option when the time comes for their services to be used. The experienced members help the new recruit, showing them the ropes and helping them to become one of them. These units know one another and trust one another. These guys also trust their leaders and have to. You cannot doubt your leader or the unit fails at its mission and people die.

An elite unit cannot be made up of totally new recruits, if it is, the unit will fail. The reason is the inexperience within the unit itself. No leaders within the unit to help mold the others. Inexperience leads to mistakes and lack of a cohesive team. These units have to mature and grow together, which takes time. After time, you know what the man on the right of you is going to do, without having to ask. You are doing things without being told. You see things happen before they happen. This is only from experience. Now, any new recruits that comes in, you can show them how things are done. Your unit cohesiveness is not as interrupted as if you replaced the whole squad again. Guys are in place to maintain the level of experience, while adding to the units manpower.


Now lets look at our team. In 2008 and 2009, our team was ambushed and annihilated.

We had to create an elite team from all new recruits. No one on this team had enough experience at each given position, in order to help these guys learn the ropes. Most of the starters are just as wet behind the ears as the new recruits. They have yet to have time to gather the knowledge and experience in order to become a cohesive team.

But some of you expect to go against superior teams and play like a team with tons of experience.

Give this team time to gain more experience and you will not be disappointed

Just my two cents
 
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CountVolcula said:
An elite unit cannot be made up of totally new recruits, if it is, the unit will fail.
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We have an experienced player at QB, and the coach chose to use a player who had never thrown a pass. Should Dooley be reading this post?
 
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Velo Vol said:
We have an experienced player at QB, and the coach chose to use a player who had never thrown a pass. Should Dooley be reading this post?
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I wouldnt consider Simms the best of the best

It would be like putting Gomer Pyle in charge of Seal team 6
 
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Very good analogy.
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Velo Vol said:
We have an experienced player at QB, and the coach chose to use a player who had never thrown a pass. Should Dooley be reading this post?
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I thought Simms should have been given til the end of the 1st half against SC. But I can appreciate how the game was a tremendous learning experience for Worely.
 
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Velo Vol said:
So experience matters unless it doesn't.
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You raised the subject. Stand behind your post.

Using your logic, the Colts aren't a winless team. And yet they are.

I understand your sentiment regarding Simms, but he has already proven beyond doubt that he is not an SEC level QB.

Thus, the decision to give Worley a shot.

It may not have worked, but it was a reasonable, and completely logical decision.

Go Vols.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Here goes!

I'm going to use real world scenarios in trying to compare the issues with this team.

Elite combat units in the military are made up of the best of the best. These units are rarely compiled of new recruits for varying reasons. The most important aspect is experience. These units practice and practice scenarios over and over again in order to be the best. When a new member comes into the unit, there is a learning curve for that new member in order for them to be a cohesive and deadly option when the time comes for their services to be used. The experienced members help the new recruit, showing them the ropes and helping them to become one of them. These units know one another and trust one another. These guys also trust their leaders and have to. You cannot doubt your leader or the unit fails at its mission and people die.

An elite unit cannot be made up of totally new recruits, if it is, the unit will fail. The reason is the inexperience within the unit itself. No leaders within the unit to help mold the others. Inexperience leads to mistakes and lack of a cohesive team. These units have to mature and grow together, which takes time. After time, you know what the man on the right of you is going to do, without having to ask. You are doing things without being told. You see things happen before they happen. This is only from experience. Now, any new recruits that comes in, you can show them how things are done. Your unit cohesiveness is not as interrupted as if you replaced the whole squad again. Guys are in place to maintain the level of experience, while adding to the units manpower.


Now lets look at our team. In 2008 and 2009, our team was ambushed and annihilated.

We had to create an elite team from all new recruits. No one on this team had enough experience at each given position, in order to help these guys learn the ropes. Most of the starters are just as wet behind the ears as the new recruits. They have yet to have time to gather the knowledge and experience in order to become a cohesive team.

But some of you expect to go against superior teams and play like a team with tons of experience.

Give this team time to gain more experience and you will not be disappointed

Just my two cents
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more like 2 dollars!

This post is spot on. Anyone who disagrees is either in denial or doesn't understand football and the rebuilding process. We clearly have some talent have have had some pretty good chances to be in most ballgames and win a couple. We clearly do not have the experience and spit and polish to have consistent success. JMO
 
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At some point, every starter on every SEC roster "started their first SEC game." Yes, it's nice if they can do it against a directional FBS school...but nice never seems to show up when the chips are down.

This is a young, injury-riddled, no depth, no running game, played a murderous schedule, snakebitten staff and team. It will play itself out, and when it does...look out.

JMO.

Go Vols.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
more like 2 dollars!

This post is spot on. Anyone who disagrees is either in denial or doesn't understand football and the rebuilding process. We clearly have some talent have have had some pretty good chances to be in most ballgames and win a couple. We clearly do not have the experience and spit and polish to have consistent success. JMO
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Most UT fans confuse reloading and rebuilding

For the longest, we reloaded. We got use to it. Spoiled by it

The concept that our team fell this far is confusing for some and the denial of the situation makes it worse

If Dooley is not the man, then I expect him to be removed, just as I did Fulmer.

I am just willing to cut the man some slack and give him time to get his roster up and more talent on the team, before I begin calling for his head.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
At some point, every starter on every SEC roster "started their first SEC game." Yes, it's nice if they can do it against a directional FBS school...but nice never seems to show up when the chips are down.

This is a young, injury-riddled, no depth, no running game, played a murderous schedule, snakebitten staff and team. It will play itself out, and when it does...look out.

JMO.

Go Vols.
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Truth

Adversity shows a persons true character.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Here goes!

I'm going to use real world scenarios in trying to compare the issues with this team.

Elite combat units in the military are made up of the best of the best. These units are rarely compiled of new recruits for varying reasons. The most important aspect is experience. These units practice and practice scenarios over and over again in order to be the best. When a new member comes into the unit, there is a learning curve for that new member in order for them to be a cohesive and deadly option when the time comes for their services to be used. The experienced members help the new recruit, showing them the ropes and helping them to become one of them. These units know one another and trust one another. These guys also trust their leaders and have to. You cannot doubt your leader or the unit fails at its mission and people die.

An elite unit cannot be made up of totally new recruits, if it is, the unit will fail. The reason is the inexperience within the unit itself. No leaders within the unit to help mold the others. Inexperience leads to mistakes and lack of a cohesive team. These units have to mature and grow together, which takes time. After time, you know what the man on the right of you is going to do, without having to ask. You are doing things without being told. You see things happen before they happen. This is only from experience. Now, any new recruits that comes in, you can show them how things are done. Your unit cohesiveness is not as interrupted as if you replaced the whole squad again. Guys are in place to maintain the level of experience, while adding to the units manpower.


Now lets look at our team. In 2008 and 2009, our team was ambushed and annihilated.

We had to create an elite team from all new recruits. No one on this team had enough experience at each given position, in order to help these guys learn the ropes. Most of the starters are just as wet behind the ears as the new recruits. They have yet to have time to gather the knowledge and experience in order to become a cohesive team.

But some of you expect to go against superior teams and play like a team with tons of experience.

Give this team time to gain more experience and you will not be disappointed

Just my two cents
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^Nice post and spot on!! As an example, my son is a true fresh on our local high school team. He played JV all season and was recently moved up to varsity for remainder of season and will dress for playoffs (I wasn't proud or anything :dance2:).
Anyway at one of the practices in line for DE drills, the senior DE introduced himself and said "Welcome to MY line, if you have any questions, I will help you all i can!"
My son told me that although he learned alot in JV this season, he has learned almost as much in 4 practices with the varsity.
Leadership from experienced upper classman cannot be underestimated. UT simply does not have the upperclassman to help bring along the younger guys. Sucks but it is what it is.
 
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Before the season started, most understood that we would be competing in a varsity league with a JV team.

After each loss, that fact (which still holds true) has been conviently forgotten by some but not all.
 
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Chilmonty said:
^Nice post and spot on!! As an example, my son is a true fresh on our local high school team. He played JV all season and was recently moved up to varsity for remainder of season and will dress for playoffs (I wasn't proud or anything :dance2:).
Anyway at one of the practices in line for DE drills, the senior DE introduced himself and said "Welcome to MY line, if you have any questions, I will help you all i can!"
My son told me that although he learned alot in JV this season, he has learned almost as much in 4 practices with the varsity.
Leadership from experienced upper classman cannot be underestimated. UT simply does not have the upperclassman to help bring along the younger guys. Sucks but it is what it is.
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Congrats to your son and you are correct

The 1998 NC team wouldnt be what it was without AL Wilson. The man was a leader and took control of that D.
 
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mtowntim said:
Before the season started, most understood that we would be competing in a varsity league with a JV team.

After each loss, that fact (which still holds true) has been conviently forgotten by some but not all.
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I think a lot of the problem is we have looked really good in games that we really shouldnt have and I attribute that to good coaching.

Others wont see it that way. The fact we were tied at half with Alabama and only down by 7 to LSU, is not just because we were lucky
 
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CountVolcula said:
I think a lot of the problem is we have looked really good in games that we really shouldnt have and I attribute that to good coaching.

Others wont see it that way. The fact we were tied at half with Alabama and only down by 7 to LSU, is not just because we were lucky
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Agree, flashes of brilliance get the hopes up. We just have to remember there is no short term solution for a long term problem.

Good thread Volcula, thanks.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I think a lot of the problem is we have looked really good in games that we really shouldnt have and I attribute that to good coaching.

Others wont see it that way. The fact we were tied at half with Alabama and only down by 7 to LSU, is not just because we were lucky
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The problem as I see it is the irrational expectation of some to be competitive in the SEC with the talent level we have currently. It's not so much about youth/coaching/experience as much as it is about talent. Our #1's when healthy are very good. Our #2's not so much. We play in the best conference in all of college football with a lot of teams that have no major drop off from 1 to 2. If we were an ACC/Big East/WAC/MVC/MW team we would probably be 6-2 at this point with the same talent. Dooley gambled a lot last night and lost because our talent didn't produce. It's been a long year but we will be back. Just need time to acquire talent.
 
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