My thought on Hurd for Heisman.

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titansvolsfaninga said:
The Nobel Peace Prize does actually mean something to people that can hold a meaningful, thought provoking conversation. Since you don't fall in that category, I understand your sentiment.
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You obviously have not noticed how the Nobel Peace Prize has become nothing but a political statement worldwide ....it's an absolute joke.... probably worse than the Heisman Trophy...and that's saying something!!!
 
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KBVol said:
Nobel peace prize is absolutely useless. Has become a political award. For crying out loud, Yassar Arafat, one of the greatest terrorists of our time won the damn thing about 20 years ago and Obama was given the "award" right after entering office, before he'd ever done anything, and solely because of the things the committee said they "thought he'd do" going forward. And as we now know, he's done anything but promote peace in his two terms in office.
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Sorry I posted before I read your reply... you and I are on the same page for sure. "Silly" is the word I would use to describe the Nobel Peace Prize...
 
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Fun Fact: Tennessee fans tend to not care about the Heisman because the guy they like didn't win it decades ago

In completely unrelated news: Tennessee fans are firmly in the running for the most butthurt fanbase in America
 
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I do get the feeling that Butch and Hurd are starting to lay a bit of a groundwork for him to have a Heisman campaign.

I'm not sure if I see Hurd having the type of season a RB needs to make it to the Heisman ceremony, but I'd be giddy if it did happen.
 
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jacobyvoln27 said:
Let me start by saying I have not watched the Heisman since the G.O.A.T. left. Hurd must be the featured back, meaning 75% of the runs minimum. Problem, Butch had to promise Kamara a much expanded role to return. Solution, Kamara still gets 25% of touches and splits time at slot helping not only us out greatly in a position of need, but also himself if successful, improves his stock tremendously. I believe if Dobbs is more consistent then they can not key on Hurd and with Dobbs running ability even tougher. So no more then two losses, minimum 1500 yards and he has this wrapped up. GBO!
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Should Hurd have it wrapped up if he puts up the number you suggest? Yes. However, like many other Tennessee fans, I feel Big10 and Pac12 sportswriters are dead set against voting for a Vol. We got screwed over more than once before by those jerks, and we will again until proven otherwise.

Only way I feel he or any other Vol has an honest shot is if they take the voting out of sportswriters hands, and find a fair and honest system for letting the fans choose who receives it.
 
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If our passing is improved along with Kamara and Dobbs running it would be very difficult for Hurd to win the Heisman. However, with this balanced attack TN has a good chance this year to meet or exceed expectations. I would rather have wins over an individual award.
 
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TNnative said:
Should Hurd have it wrapped up if he puts up the number you suggest? Yes. .
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At this point I don't think any RB is winning the Heisman without at least 1700yds and that's likely quite low unless they are a TD machine (20+) to go along with the yards. And I'm calling that the likely minimum for the position.
 
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TNnative said:
Should Hurd have it wrapped up if he puts up the number you suggest? Yes. However, like many other Tennessee fans, I feel Big10 and Pac12 sportswriters are dead set against voting for a Vol. We got screwed over more than once before by those jerks, and we will again until proven otherwise.

Only way I feel he or any other Vol has an honest shot is if they take the voting out of sportswriters hands, and find a fair and honest system for letting the fans choose who receives it.
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You gotta stop taking this stuff personally. They liked someone in their conference more than someone in our conference. The reason Peyton lost is the same reason Fournette lost. Biggest game of the year against their #1 rival both players were shut down and lost. Manning wasn't going to win a Heisman by passing for 500 yards against UK. If he did that against UF and we won than he would have won too.
 
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If one of our players wins the Heisman, it's because the team is in the National Championship picture. For that to happen, Dobbs is going to have to sling the ball around the field accurately. With that being the case, Dobbs would then be the Heisman candidate from our team.
 
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Hurd isn't winning the heisman and it's not because he's not going to be good this year.
a) he's not the only feature back we have
b) he'll share carries with Kamara and Dobbs
c) the end of the season schedule doesn't set up for any real marquis games that will capture national attention
 
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crusse10 said:
If one of our players wins the Heisman, it's because the team is in the National Championship picture. For that to happen, Dobbs is going to have to sling the ball around the field accurately. With that being the case, Dobbs would then be the Heisman candidate from our team.
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Just playing devil's advocate here:

We could totally make it to the championship without Dobbs slinging it all over the field. If he can just become slightly more efficient, the defense improves to being a top 10 unit, and Hurd elevates his game as well, then a playoff birth is likely. Basically, the Bama model. Strong run game, efficient, if less than spectacular passing game, stifling defense.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Hurd isn't winning the heisman and it's not because he's not going to be good this year.
a) he's not the only feature back we have
b) he'll share carries with Kamara and Dobbs
c) the end of the season schedule doesn't set up for any real marquis games that will capture national attention
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To be fair, if you put yourself in the driver seat during your marquee games, it doesn't matter when they exist (as long as you don't willingly get out of the moving vehicle). If you go out there and crush Florida and Alabama and Georgia and are the shining reason for why the team won, then you'll be tracked the rest of the way to see you destroy the competition.

And also, if he were to be in the running for the award, we'd be in Atlanta. So the narrative would go something like, "Well, here we have Jalen Hurd. Yeah, we all saw what he did running for 175 against the Tide. Ever since, he's been padding his stats against lower competition. Let's see what he can do in the championship game. Tennessee vs. LSU. Hurd vs. Fournette. Winner gets a NC birth and the halfback probably gets the Heisman."

Still think in this dream scenario that Dobbs is the candidate
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Just playing devil's advocate here:

We could totally make it to the championship without Dobbs slinging it all over the field. If he can just become slightly more efficient, the defense improves to being a top 10 unit, and Hurd elevates his game as well, then a playoff birth is likely. Basically, the Bama model. Strong run game, efficient, if less than spectacular passing game, stifling defense.
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The Bama model still includes forcing the other team to respect the pass by being just accurate enough to be capable of saying "ok fine, we'll go down and put up 7 on you in 6 plays or fewer"
 
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crusse10 said:
The Bama model still includes forcing the other team to respect the pass by being just accurate enough to be capable of saying "ok fine, we'll go down and put up 7 on you in 6 plays or fewer"
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Yeah, but the point stands that Dobbs wouldn't have to be slinging the ball all over the field. He'd just need to be slightly more efficient with his passes. Just hitting one or two deep balls a game would be enough. Bama was middle of the pack in passing offense last year (they finished somewhere in the 60s).
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah, but the point stands that Dobbs wouldn't have to be slinging the ball all over the field. He'd just need to be slightly more efficient with his passes. Just hitting one or two deep balls a game would be enough. Bama was middle of the pack in passing offense last year (they finished somewhere in the 60s).
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To your point AL had the highest comp% in the SEC at 67.5 though the ypg was only 227. (not shabby, still good for 5th in the league, but nothing particularly impressive)

I and others have said if before...we don't need Dobbs to put up anything like D Watson numbers if our ground game and D are anything like we hope they'll be to win a lot of games.
 
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But if Dobbs puts up about 250 a game and continues to be a gamechanger when on the run, the narrative will be Dobbs-centric. If he becomes Pro Style quarterback, throws for 250, and all the running is done by his running backs, then I agree that Hurd has the better shot.

Instead, a trip to the playoff would be highlighted by spectacular plays by Dobbs, both through the air and on the ground. The narrative will include stats of total TDs and combined yardage.
 
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