My take on why he's still here...

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CA_Vol

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Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea, especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
 
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CA_Vol said:
Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea, especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
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Kelly’s folks has put it out that he has not had any contact with UT or UF for that matter.

So it’s most likely Currie isn’t interested in Kelly than vice versa
 
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How recent was this put out? I know he said this several weeks ago, but has something been recently put out?
 
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CA_Vol said:
Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea, especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
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IMO, he is doing two things:

1: Allowing him to finish the season to see what he can get accomplished.

2: Doing work behind closed doors to get support for a coaching change at the university level and sending out feelers.

Firing a coach yesterday doesn't allow you to make a hire sooner than a school that fired their coach the last week of the season. Texas vs LSU is a perfect example of that.

LSU fired their coach early in the season and Texas fired their coach and had a new guy hired before a 24 hour period was completed.

If you know who your target is and they have mutual interest, the hiring process after a firing can go very quick. If the interest isn't there from big names, and it almost always isn't there for every program in the country, then it takes longer to do a search if the process was already failed from the start due to who the AD was trying to land.

Fit is more important than just a big name. A good fit can have better long-term stability and success.
 
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CA_Vol said:
Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea, especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
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I totally agree. As I have been saying Why fire Butch and make his buy out, just to find that none of the quality coaches are interested in Tennessee, then we hire another 8 - 4 type coach from Toledo or Utah State.
Most of last nights mistakes were made by the team and not by the coaching staff. Penalties, missed field goals, missed receptions and miss tackles. All of those are on the players and not on Jones.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Kelly’s folks has put it out that he has not had any contact with UT or UF for that matter.

So it’s most likely Currie isn’t interested in Kelly than vice versa
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Saban said he was the coach of the Miami Dolphins and HE has had no contact with Alabama or any other school, Then the next day, he was in Tuscalussa for a t.v. interview.
 
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I think NFL coaches, and that situation specifically, are a bit different.
 
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jlarson11 said:
IMO, he is doing two things:

1: Allowing him to finish the season to see what he can get accomplished.

2: Doing work behind closed doors to get support for a coaching change at the university level and sending out feelers.

Firing a coach yesterday doesn't allow you to make a hire sooner than a school that fired their coach the last week of the season. Texas vs LSU is a perfect example of that.

LSU fired their coach early in the season and Texas fired their coach and had a new guy hired before a 24 hour period was completed.

If you know who your target is and they have mutual interest, the hiring process after a firing can go very quick. If the interest isn't there from big names, and it almost always isn't there for every program in the country, then it takes longer to do a search if the process was already failed from the start due to who the AD was trying to land.

Fit is more important than just a big name. A good fit can have better long-term stability and success.
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Good analysis, Mr. Currie. I like it. :)
 
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My opinion, Currie does not make a move until we hit 7 losses, 6 at the earliest...and I hate to say it, but if we do go 5-7 and back into a bowl game due to our APR that might be enough in first year AD's opinion for Butch to get another year...
 
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Rudy123 said:
Saban said he was the coach of the Miami Dolphins and HE has had no contact with Alabama or any other school, Then the next day, he was in Tuscalussa for a t.v. interview.
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There’s a big difference. Kelly has no reason to deny contact or interviews.

Saban had a coaching gig while denying Bama rumors.
 
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IndianaVol said:
My opinion, Currie does not make a move until we hit 7 losses, 6 at the earliest...and I hate to say it, but if we do go 5-7 and back into a bowl game due to our APR that might be enough in first year AD's opinion for Butch to get another year...
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The backlash Currie is getting, I don't know how he can't dump Butch after this season. IF he doesn't, there is a good chance Knoxville will burn
 
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CA_Vol said:
Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea, especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
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I say opinions are like arse holes everyone has one. lol
 
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CA_Vol said:
Almost no one, including our largely sycophantic Knoxville media, can really believe or understand why Currie hasn't thanked Butch for his efforts and terminated him as head football coach effective immediately.

I have a feeling it is due to unemployed coaching options not being interested in the job.

Most quality active coaches at major programs aren't going to start contemplating their next position while in season, & while the current coach remains employed at the university. Sure, conversations with agents can begin to gage potential interest, but meaningful negotiations and conversations won't occur until after the regular season.

So what has Currie likely been doing the last few weeks when it became clear Butch's tenure was over? He contacted the agents of inactive coaches, obviously the most likely being Kelly and perhaps Gruden (although I think he remains a complete pipe dream). From my perspective, if the initial contact with Kelly went well, Currie has had more than enough time to come to general terms of an agreement and move on from the Jones-era.

So, if it is true that his contract buyout is significantly reduced if we fail to reach a Bowl (I've seen conflicting info on this), then wait, see what happens, and cut bait at the end of the season. I personally think this is an incredibly stupid idea,especially in light of UF firing Beavertooth, but what else makes sense at this point?

In short, I think Currie was likely rebuffed by Kelly (and Gruden), and is trying to take the economical (and cowardly) way out. What say you?
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Well it probably cost us, Kelly, Kiffin, Frost, or someone we want that will be heading to UF to smack us around for another 220 years
 
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IndianaVol said:
My opinion, Currie does not make a move until we hit 7 losses, 6 at the earliest...and I hate to say it, but if we do go 5-7 and back into a bowl game due to our APR that might be enough in first year AD's opinion for Butch to get another year...
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I think you are absolutely spot on! I think Currie will do everything he can to not fire him this year.
 
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Butch is here because they hired another puppet in John Currie instead of someone who can get the job done. The fact that Butch is still here shows a lack of understanding of the situation and how bad it has gotten here with the fan base. If you want understanding of how it's done see Florida. They saw it wasn't the right situation and let the coach go in the middle of the season. A guy that is three time better than Butch. Now Florida has the upper hand over Tennessee in the hiring situation which usually happens here at the ole incompetent U of Tennessee.
 
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No coach would be introduced until after the Vandy game.. so it does not matter.. Currie however is reaching out to all of the agents right now. Relax
 
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If there is disagreement between Currie, the administration and boosters on CBJ's status, that's all you need to know about how really screwed up UT is. Ask yourself this question - if you were a top tier coach, would you even talk to a school that was that screwed up?
 
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Rudy123 said:
Saban said he was the coach of the Miami Dolphins and HE has had no contact with Alabama or any other school, Then the next day, he was in Tuscalussa for a t.v. interview.
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I AM NOT LEAVING THE MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!!
He gone!!
 
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