My take on Alabama and recruiting...

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PrattvilleVol

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I think Rommel and Alabama have reached the saturation point where very good players are being signed that won't play until they are Juniors or Seniors. On top of the very good players he is turning away at the very last minute forcing them to scramble for a new school.

With all of the social media out there, the dissatisfaction of a lot of these kids will start to boil over and even the recruiting field by them committing elsewhere.
 
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First of all, these things are cyclical. For the reasons you stated, for the endurance of the staff. Lots of reasons teams lose the ability to win over time. In fact, no team has sustained much of a run like Bama is having without some giant probation-inducing scandal.
 
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3 championships in 4 years.... i don't mind waiting till my junior year to play and still get drafted.
 
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Vols4ever said:
3 championships in 4 years.... i don't mind waiting till my junior year to play and still get drafted.
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While there are a few freaks of nature out there...it's pretty hard to get to the next level sitting on the bench for 2 to 3 years without playing and improving. That's the exact point.
 
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The bee gees were very popular til the country grew tired of it, then they turned on them. The mob mentality will turn to tiresome soon, as we often do.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
I think Rommel and Alabama have reached the saturation point where very good players are being signed that won't play until they are Juniors or Seniors. On top of the very good players he is turning away at the very last minute forcing them to scramble for a new school.

With all of the social media out there, the dissatisfaction of a lot of these kids will start to boil over and even the recruiting field by them committing elsewhere.
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Underrated post. Saban had a couple of good recruits last year that he left at the alter after higher rated recruits wanted to sign at the last minute.
 
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Time usually takes care of lots of problems, both good and bad. Whichever way you view it, it will happen eventually. Alabama's left overs are enough to win a National Championship. IMO
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
I think Rommel and Alabama have reached the saturation point where very good players are being signed that won't play until they are Juniors or Seniors. On top of the very good players he is turning away at the very last minute forcing them to scramble for a new school.

With all of the social media out there, the dissatisfaction of a lot of these kids will start to boil over and even the recruiting field by them committing elsewhere.
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Why attend Alabama as a 4* and red shirt your freshman season, then play on special teams as a freshman & get mop up duty as a sophomore, then actually start as a junior or senior, when you can come to U.T. and play immediately. Jason Allen, Eric Berry, Jamaal Lewis, Manning, .......
 
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Bummer is the IT school right now, and bandwagon jumping is what teenagers are all about. This too shall pass.
 
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Lets just hope the cycle theory holds true.. I don't see much drop off as long as Saban is there.. Kids go places for different reasons though.. He can't sign them all thankfully..
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
I think Rommel and Alabama have reached the saturation point where very good players are being signed that won't play until they are Juniors or Seniors. On top of the very good players he is turning away at the very last minute forcing them to scramble for a new school.

With all of the social media out there, the dissatisfaction of a lot of these kids will start to boil over and even the recruiting field by them committing elsewhere.
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Disagree. Recruits know if they are good enough they will play early. Look at Yeldon, Cooper, Bell, Smith, Sunseri, Depriest, Dickson, Hubbard, HCD, Ivory, Collins,Pagan, Shinn, Kouandjio and a few more this year. All freshman and Sophs. that started or got alot of PT this year. I didnt mention White, Hart and Black, 3 kids that would have also played alot if not for injury. Most of these kids will be gone by their JR year. The Oline, Secondary and Dline will have plenty of PT available for some of the incoming freshman. The only problem position might be at RB because there will be so many young backs. Its a cycle.

As far as turning players away, the 2 commits last year were ask to greyshirt and werent pleased about it so they went elsewhere, neither where highly ranked recruits so it wasnt like they lost 5 stars.

Top programs will still get their share. Once UT gets rolling again they will see a big change as well
 
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That's great and all, except when you are forced to accept this fact:

In 2012, Alabama led the nation in yards gained from scrimmage by freshmen. And that doesn't even take into account the defensive freshmen all over the field.
 
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d3ft punk said:
First of all, these things are cyclical. For the reasons you stated, for the endurance of the staff. Lots of reasons teams lose the ability to win over time. In fact, no team has sustained much of a run like Bama is having without some giant probation-inducing scandal.
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Herbstreet made the comment that one of bama's d lineman bench pressed over 600 pounds. Very impressive for a college aged young man or any age.

Personally, I do not think bama and Saban are doing anything wrong and I attribute this to what Saban and his s/c coach learned while with the Dolphins much like Carrol did when he returned to USC back in the 90s after coaching the Jets.

However, bama just "overpowered" The media's favorite ND on national tv. Fans, bloggers etc. are crying over there whipping and citing what Herbstreet said. No one in the media has picked this up yet and shouldn't but it will be intersting to see if the NCAA does a little more snooping around the whole conference in the off season.

Stay tuned
 
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I think you have to start using their history against them.

"Look kid you can go to Alabama, and if you win a championship good for you but you are just another player from another championship team there. Come here and if we win a championship you'll be remembered as a demi-god."
 
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d3ft punk said:
First of all, these things are cyclical. For the reasons you stated, for the endurance of the staff. Lots of reasons teams lose the ability to win over time. In fact, no team has sustained much of a run like Bama is having without some giant probation-inducing scandal.
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I've been saying this for the last two years. I simply can't fathom Bama stockpiling this much talent, over such a short amount of time without doing something shady. Every dynasty-type program in the BCS era that looks unstoppable (USC, Miami, etc) have been caught doing something wrong after-the-fact. And, this is Tuscaloosa we are talking about, its an almost certainty.
 
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Saban is about Saban winning and nothing more. He cares about his players only if the outcome is about Saban. Case in point, he stepped over a player convulsing when he was with the Dolphins and continued with business. Sentimore said he was a complete prick that wouldn't even say "Hello" in passing.
 
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StoVol said:
The bee gees were very popular til the country grew tired of it, then they turned on them. The mob mentality will turn to tiresome soon, as we often do.
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This is a strange analogy, the Bee Gees and Alabama football. I'm not sure the American public has much influence on the success or failure of a football team.

We better hope Bamers get complacent and lazy. As long as that staff and group of players work at their current level of dedication they will be lethal.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Saban is about Saban winning and nothing more. He cares about his players only if the outcome is about Saban. Case in point, he stepped over a player convulsing when he was with the Dolphins and continued with business. Sentimore said he was a complete prick that wouldn't even say "Hello" in passing.
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His way works though.. In fact most of the best coaches aren't real fuzzy and warm.. I think you have to have a level of fear and respect from your players. Saban has that at Bama..
 
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rjd970 said:
I've been saying this for the last two years. I simply can't fathom Bama stockpiling this much talent, over such a short amount of time without doing something shady. Every dynasty-type program in the BCS era that looks unstoppable (USC, Miami, etc) have been caught doing something wrong after-the-fact. And, this is Tuscaloosa we are talking about, its an almost certainty.
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Did nebraska get caught doing anything wrong back when they had their Dynasty? What about Florida when they won 2 titles a few years ago.

Every major program probably cheats in some form. You think Clowney went to USCe for free? Its really comes down to getting caught.

If Bama cheats , they probably did it more in Saban's first couple of years but with the way the NCAA watches bama after they just came off probation i doubt they are doing it as much as people think.
 
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