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This kid is trying his best. He wants to be as good as we all want him to be. There is one thing that is getting in his way and its in between the ears as we all know. He has all the tools IMO. Tall, good arm, can move around a little bit. But ....

To me he is like a recovering Alcoholic or someone who has had a life changing event happen. He will do fine for a little while and then he will screw up like everyone does from time to time but he won't just let it go. It just keeps snow balling. He freaks out and by the time its all over, which it didn't on Sat., it is too late and we are toast.

Sorry if I offended anyone with the Alcoholic or life changing event comments. Just the only way I could explain it.

So I pray that he won't crap his pants on Sat. but if he does I really think Kiffin has to take him out. The kid is not able to bounce back after those things.

GBO, I hope JC gets it together but Im not too optomistic
 
#2
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I posted this in another thread. Hope it has some validity here --

Despite the depth, the problem isn't talent. It's something mental. Your defense gets it. Your offense does not (and maybe just Crompton doesn't).

Anyways, your QB and your offense lost their composure once the turnovers started piling up and, at that point, y'all were still very much in the game. Y'all were still in the game with :01 second left. The problem was that your offense wasn't IN the game, mentally. JC gets rattled early for some reason, even despite the score. He either puts to much pressure on himself or gets tunnel vision trying to make something work. Either way, it's mental. I have no doubt about it. The problem with the last game was, like I said, that you were still very much in the game and you were AT HOME.

Replace HOME with AWAY and Neyland with the Swamp and you have a recipe for disaster if Crompton goes Crompton again. Frankly, Florida fan or not, it's hard to give you any hope when your QB is missing it mentally. He could be physically inept but have the patience and cool to handle the game mentally and I like your chances by 4 or 5 times more.
 
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rowsdower said:
I posted this in another thread. Hope it has some validity here --

Despite the depth, the problem isn't talent. It's something mental. Your defense gets it. Your offense does not (and maybe just Crompton doesn't).

Anyways, your QB and your offense lost their composure once the turnovers started piling up and, at that point, y'all were still very much in the game. Y'all were still in the game with :01 second left. The problem was that your offense wasn't IN the game, mentally. JC gets rattled early for some reason, even despite the score. He either puts to much pressure on himself or gets tunnel vision trying to make something work. Either way, it's mental. I have no doubt about it. The problem with the last game was, like I said, that you were still very much in the game and you were AT HOME.

Replace HOME with AWAY and Neyland with the Swamp and you have a recipe for disaster if Crompton goes Crompton again. Frankly, Florida fan or not, it's hard to give you any hope when your QB is missing it mentally. He could be physically inept but have the patience and cool to handle the game mentally and I like your chances by 4 or 5 times more.
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We have talent.......in spots. And I agree, the offense is the problem. But, it all starts with the QB. He's the leader of the team and when he looses it, that reflects on the rest of the team. Unless something drastic happens, and looking at the schedule, I only see two games that could be put in the W column. The others are no better than a toss up. Just trying to look at things realistically and not through "orange colored" glasses.
 
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#7
Incrompitence is a good one. I think it got drowned out last year with all the clawful clawfense remarks, but I bet the term catches fire this year.
 
#9
#9
TRIONZ VOL said:
This kid is trying his best. He wants to be as good as we all want him to be. There is one thing that is getting in his way and its in between the ears as we all know. He has all the tools IMO. Tall, good arm, can move around a little bit. But ....

To me he is like a recovering Alcoholic or someone who has had a life changing event happen. He will do fine for a little while and then he will screw up like everyone does from time to time but he won't just let it go. It just keeps snow balling. He freaks out and by the time its all over, which it didn't on Sat., it is too late and we are toast.

Sorry if I offended anyone with the Alcoholic or life changing event comments. Just the only way I could explain it.

So I pray that he won't crap his pants on Sat. but if he does I really think Kiffin has to take him out. The kid is not able to bounce back after those things.

GBO, I hope JC gets it together but Im not too optomistic
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In what world are you still a kid at 22? When I was his his age my son was just born and my fiance died 18 months later. How about this, they stop keeping score and everyone gets a trophy at the end of the season that way fragile JC isn't rattled. Should we send a letter to UF and ask the to keep the noise down while we have the ball.
 
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#10
I'm not defending Cromton's "incrompitence", but the biggest difference between WKY and UCLA was that he was under constant pressure by the UCLA defense. Our coaches want a pocket passer, but the OL is currently not good enough to give him time to set up and make his reads (which he was able to do against WKY). Watch the tape. Crompton was quite accurate on short passes, outs, and slants because he had the time, but when he tried to throw down field it was usually while ducking or dodging a hit which he successfully did a couple of times. There are very few (if any) pocket passers that would put up good stats with our current offensive line. Our defense was exceptional, but even the UCLA QB had more time to set up than Crompton.
 
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#13
#13
I too believe he has all the tools but what good are tools without a craftsman....he doesn't have the "make it happen" factor, some guys do, some guys don't....and if he and stevens were so close in the fall qb competition, why not start him and give him the experience he'll need next season? JMO
 
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#14
If you want an understanding of how incrompitent or clueless he really is....here's a bit from the Chattanooga paper.......

Senior quarterback Jonathan Crompton -- whose miserable Saturday won't soon be forgotten -- said the team would "be back on the practice field (today) and ready to go forward."

Crompton steadfastly maintained that any disappointing thoughts from Saturday, like every instance last season, were gone the second he stepped off the field.

Asked just after Saturday's game if he'd already moved on, Crompton said, "Oh, yeah."

"There's nothing we can do about it now," Crompton continued. "This is over. I'm going to come back up here after I eat with my family, and I'll watch myself, correct the film and go from there."

Crompton claimed to see finger-pointing, but not the bad kind.

"A lot of guys were kind of pointing fingers at themselves," he said. "In my opinion, that's how champions are born -- they critique themselves and say, 'I could have done this better,' or, 'I could have done that better.'

"But after (Kiffin) said that, guys really kind of got a gut-check and said, 'You know what? This happened, but we've got to go on ... And I honestly think our guys will do a good job of that. A lot guys will go home and just kind of sit on it and think about it and go from there. Tomorrow's a whole new day. That's the good thing about it. We always have another day where we can come back."


What? What kind of suped up fairy dust is this kid hitting? OMG! Really Crompton? Really?
 
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#17
Crompton is a head case, no doubt. The only thing I can equate it too is a golfer who stands on the tee, sees a whole lot of trouble left and tells himself over and over again, "don't go left, don't go left, don't go left". What does he do... goes left just about every time.

Crompton the same way. He is concentratiting on what he shouldn't do as opposed to making the play. Every time I see him drop back I swear I can see his a*****e knitting sweaters. "Please don't throw a pick, please don't throw a pick, please don't throw a pick." Oh no, a pick... and then it gets worse from there.

Dude needs a shrink.
 
#18
#18
My take on Crompton:

He has all the tools you need in a QB save two very important skills that cannot be taught. The first is he is unable to go through progressions and scan the entire field. He is one of those guys that either reads to the left or to the right, if he has to come back to the opposite side of the field he has problems. This by itself isn't a QB killer although it does limit what they can do.

The second and most important problem with Crompton is he isn't a natural leader, if he makes a bad throw and gives it up to the defense he isn't one of those guys who rallies his receivers and wills his team back. Instead he hangs his head and withdraws into his own head.

The O-line is a fairly good at run blocking. They are pretty bad at pass blocking though and this compounded with our QB play in Crompton is a recipe for disaster. Our defense is the real deal, it seems as though most of the defense has taken on an Eric Berry like mentality, their nastiness was pretty evident on the field this past Saturday. They will keep us in some ball games this year, what makes it so sad was they kept this game from getting much uglier than it could have.

I am just hoping we can keep it together and go 6-6 this year. We need some big uglies on the O-line badly, IMO that is where the biggest emphasis on recruiting should be at this point as far as our needs for next year go. If we have them we should be able to coach up a decent QB to win some games for us.
 
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#19
Cromp could easily lose his job on Sat. Another 3 pick game with no TDs will do that. I think Stephens will be starting against Ohio to get him ready for the rest of the year. J.A.T
 
#20
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My problem with Crompton is that he does not demonstrate any leadership abilities. His post game comments were appalling. He does not accept responsibility for his bad play. I despise Tim Tebow, but it would be nice to see his passion and leadership in Crompton. The guy looks clueless out there. He is still starring down receivers. Cutcliffe tried to teach him not to do that several years ago but he still does it. The UCLA defenders even said that was the reason they picked off so many passes. Let's not forget he threw one more pic that was brought back because of a penalty and threw one in the end zone that a defender dropped. He does not have the ability to read defenses and can only complete short passes where it is a 3 step drop and throw. If he has to think, he makes mistakes. Stephens can't be any worse than Crompton.
 
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rockytophigh said:
If you want an understanding of how incrompitent or clueless he really is....here's a bit from the Chattanooga paper.......

Senior quarterback Jonathan Crompton -- whose miserable Saturday won't soon be forgotten -- said the team would "be back on the practice field (today) and ready to go forward."

Crompton steadfastly maintained that any disappointing thoughts from Saturday, like every instance last season, were gone the second he stepped off the field.

Asked just after Saturday's game if he'd already moved on, Crompton said, "Oh, yeah."

"There's nothing we can do about it now," Crompton continued. "This is over. I'm going to come back up here after I eat with my family, and I'll watch myself, correct the film and go from there."

Crompton claimed to see finger-pointing, but not the bad kind.

"A lot of guys were kind of pointing fingers at themselves," he said. "In my opinion, that's how champions are born -- they critique themselves and say, 'I could have done this better,' or, 'I could have done that better.'

"But after (Kiffin) said that, guys really kind of got a gut-check and said, 'You know what? This happened, but we've got to go on ... And I honestly think our guys will do a good job of that. A lot guys will go home and just kind of sit on it and think about it and go from there. Tomorrow's a whole new day. That's the good thing about it. We always have another day where we can come back."


What? What kind of suped up fairy dust is this kid hitting? OMG! Really Crompton? Really?
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I understand the satisfaction that we would get if he came out and said "OMG, I really freakin' suck and I shouldn't see the football field," but that isn't what needs to happen. We repeatedly talk about how he needs to have a short memory with his mistakes so he can bounce back from adversity (which will happen to every QB) rather than letting a few bad throws snowball into the meltdown that happened saturday, but then we critique the guy for doing his best to try to put it behind him before the next game? Not seeing the hypocracy here? Either let the guy wallow in his failure and expect it to continue, or allow him to start trying to put this stuff behind him so he can focus on what he needs to do.

As an aside, I just don't think last year is out of his head yet. Kiffin is trying to get his confidence back by showing Crompton that he has faith in him. When our fans boo the guy during the game, send him death threats (how freakin' ridiculous), and say he should never see an SEC football field, do you think this helps or hurts what Kiffin is trying to accomplish with Crompton's confidence?
 
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#22
I agree that Crompton has all the physical tools, but lacks something between the ears. Not that the kid is dumb, but maybe lacks focus. Get the kid to a sports psychologist ASAP or a hypnotist.
 
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#23
The Wizard of Oz made it work for the Scarecrow. Perhaps Crompton needs to make a trip down the yellow brick road as well.
 
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KB5252 said:
My take on Crompton:

He has all the tools you need in a QB save two very important skills that cannot be taught. The first is he is unable to go through progressions and scan the entire field. He is one of those guys that either reads to the left or to the right, if he has to come back to the opposite side of the field he has problems. This by itself isn't a QB killer although it does limit what they can do.

The second and most important problem with Crompton is he isn't a natural leader, if he makes a bad throw and gives it up to the defense he isn't one of those guys who rallies his receivers and wills his team back. Instead he hangs his head and withdraws into his own head.

The O-line is a fairly good at run blocking. They are pretty bad at pass blocking though and this compounded with our QB play in Crompton is a recipe for disaster. Our defense is the real deal, it seems as though most of the defense has taken on an Eric Berry like mentality, their nastiness was pretty evident on the field this past Saturday. They will keep us in some ball games this year, what makes it so sad was they kept this game from getting much uglier than it could have.

I am just hoping we can keep it together and go 6-6 this year. We need some big uglies on the O-line badly, IMO that is where the biggest emphasis on recruiting should be at this point as far as our needs for next year go. If we have them we should be able to coach up a decent QB to win some games for us.
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Crompton's main problem is that when the pressure is on him, there is a disconnect...his mind slips into panic mode. Basically what any defense tries to do....rattle a QB.
Even Peyton could be rattled and frustrated. It took complex, aggressive defenses to do it, but he spent alot of time as a student of football to overcome that. that's why he's exceptional in the pros. He's been studying defenses so much and worked with his receivers to perfect their timing and signals to each other.

He's able to think on the fly, and that's what I think Crompton is unable to do. I think Cutcliffe bailing as soon as the 1st HC job came around really hurt the program. I'm definitely a Fulmerite, but Cutcliffe should've stayed until he got an offer from a more promising team...not one that will never be able to come out of the doldrums. He broke the continuity of this program....again, and as a result, this program is where it is. There was even talk that Pryor was prepared to commit here if Cutcliffe was still the OC.

He'll get his come-upance soon enough as Duke will remain in the tank. I still don't believe he's HC material. He is a good OC, and that's it...similar to Monte as a DC.
 
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