My sister talked to a former Vol's wife...

#51
#51
give_him 6 said:
Not sure about anyone else, but I never got along with my head coaches in high school or college. I was closer to my position coaches and the coordinators. Always thought my head coaches were pricks. But that is just me.

I definitely believe that Fulmer played his favorites and not always the best player.
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I hated my head coach. Assistants was the only reason I finished my soph, year. I bailed after the same reason of our former HC. Kiss ass and you play regardless of what you did in practice.
I roasted a D1 back in sandlot routinely in our sandlot games. He gave me more props than our HC.
Good riddance Phil.
 
#52
#52
I was a fan who was ready for Fulmer to move on, but I don't think you can simplify the whole experience by saying he was a plague. Did he lose his edge? Yes. Did he get too comfortable? Probably. But a plague? I think hearing from former players if very telling, but let's leave it at that and turn our focus to the Kiffin era. Go Vols!
 
#54
#54
I can relate to the OP's story.The varsity coach at my highschool did the same thing.If you were not one of his"BoyDog's"your chances of ever starting were nil.This is the main reason our football team sucked year after year.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
about Fulmer. This guy played during the mid 2000s, and he said Fulmer picked favorites, and he REALLY divided the locker room. The goal of the players was not to get better in order to play, it was to get on Fulmer's good side so he would let them play. This explains the lack of hard work from the team...

Anyone that wasn't one of "Phil's phavorites" was either treated like dirt or ignored, the same for anyone that was injured...never any support for the guys with injuries. They were a waste of his time.

Fulmer often based his favoritisms on connections to the UT alumni/family, and of course, seniority. He often used the phrase, "If you stay, you'll play."

This can really attribute to Fulmer's not using the best players he has. Really stupid if you ask me...

I remember Hancock saying during the end of Spring, right after he won the "most improved player" award, "Well, I thought I played really well in practice last year...I worked real hard and made plays during scrimmages, but come game time, I didn't get to play." I guess he wasn't in the "in crowd" with Fulmer, but for some reason, Austin Rogers and Josh Briscoe were.
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i dont see this or dylan dicky would have ben holding the clip board and jim bob cooter would have ben on the scout team.
 
#56
#56
Food for thought.

1) Every coach has favorite players. These are usually the ones who are most coachable; no one gets any great pleasure out of constantly dogging a more talented player in order to extract a better performance out of him.
2) Every coach will have players who hate them. It's not until five or ten years down the road that the attitude starts to change; this can take place earlier if the player is smart enough to see why it was done, and it can take place much later if not. Of course, the last sentence is null and void if the coach is both unpleasant and an idiot.
3) Most players aren't smart enough to be able to tell the difference between a coach being an ass and a coach pushing buttons to get the player to perform at a higher level.
4) The thinking with starting an upperclassman when all other things are equal is based on the idea that nearly every player will develop as time progresses. It is the rare player who remains "the eternal freshman" and continues to make mistakes well after the point where it would be considered normal.
5) Coaches will treat players differently for a variety of reasons. A good coach will find a way to maximize his players' ability; this could be done by yelling at them versus ignoring them, by praising them excessively versus criticizing everything, from calling them out in front of their teammates to taking them aside, from being a nice guy to being a snarky SOB. Until a coach figures out what a certain player responds to, it can be unpleasant for the player.
6) The most successful coaches have two common threads: they are detail-oriented to the nth degree, and they have little to no tolerance for deviating from the details.

Of course, there are good coaches, bad coaches, and average coaches. I had all three in my playing days, and I've been around all three as a coach myself. I was coached by one who would get along great with Ed Orgeron, and also by one who installed a wing-T offense without ever actually spending one second of practice time (or chalk time) going over blocking schemes. I'm not making that up....an entire preseason and regular season, and not once did anyone know that on a sweep, the guards were supposed to pull.

If we're going to compare Fulmer in his later years to another coach, it's John Cooper. I feel safe making that comparison for a variety of reasons, which also includes talking with some of his former players.
 
#57
#57
nickknx865 said:
He's probably the only player that played for PSU that lives in East TN. Actually, he even started a game for them, but for some reason, he got pulled at halftime. Can't remember why though.

In any case, he said JoePa was a total asshat.
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Jim Grant?
 
#61
#61
ieatcatfood said:
Jim Grant?
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Nope.

But for the guess, you get a cookie
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#62
#62
nickknx865 said:
He's probably the only player that played for PSU that lives in East TN. Actually, he even started a game for them, but for some reason, he got pulled at halftime. Can't remember why though.

In any case, he said JoePa was a total asshat.
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I thought Leroy Thompson started a lot for Penn St.
 
#63
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Ohio Vol said:
Food for thought.

1) Every coach has favorite players. These are usually the ones who are most coachable; no one gets any great pleasure out of constantly dogging a more talented player in order to extract a better performance out of him.
2) Every coach will have players who hate them. It's not until five or ten years down the road that the attitude starts to change; this can take place earlier if the player is smart enough to see why it was done, and it can take place much later if not. Of course, the last sentence is null and void if the coach is both unpleasant and an idiot.
3) Most players aren't smart enough to be able to tell the difference between a coach being an ass and a coach pushing buttons to get the player to perform at a higher level.
4) The thinking with starting an upperclassman when all other things are equal is based on the idea that nearly every player will develop as time progresses. It is the rare player who remains "the eternal freshman" and continues to make mistakes well after the point where it would be considered normal.
5) Coaches will treat players differently for a variety of reasons. A good coach will find a way to maximize his players' ability; this could be done by yelling at them versus ignoring them, by praising them excessively versus criticizing everything, from calling them out in front of their teammates to taking them aside, from being a nice guy to being a snarky SOB. Until a coach figures out what a certain player responds to, it can be unpleasant for the player.
6) The most successful coaches have two common threads: they are detail-oriented to the nth degree, and they have little to no tolerance for deviating from the details.

Of course, there are good coaches, bad coaches, and average coaches. I had all three in my playing days, and I've been around all three as a coach myself. I was coached by one who would get along great with Ed Orgeron, and also by one who installed a wing-T offense without ever actually spending one second of practice time (or chalk time) going over blocking schemes. I'm not making that up....an entire preseason and regular season, and not once did anyone know that on a sweep, the guards were supposed to pull.

If we're going to compare Fulmer in his later years to another coach, it's John Cooper. I feel safe making that comparison for a variety of reasons, which also includes talking with some of his former players.
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I sadly admit I'm guilty as heck of number 3. My hs position was interior D line, my defensive coordinator said once laughing, Dan when he was'nt mad he was average at best, but once you got him pissed off....look out. I always thought he was an a hole.:)
 
#64
#64
GregAmsler said:
I doubt he likes having it as much as Phil, who used the ring to bleed millions out of the university in exchange for mediocrity...millions he wouldn't have gotten without that ring because he would have been fired long before he was without that "equity."

Of course, as a player, Finlayson actually earned his ring, unlike Fulmer, who was never one to put his players at a coaching advantage.
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how many players did he put in the NFL?
 
#65
#65
Politics in football is all that is! Bradley Central used to be the exact same way down here in Cleveland. If your family was well known around town or if your MOm or Dad was a teacher then you got to play ball. There is no telling how many really good football players stood on the sideline all season just because they didn't have a status in society. I believe that they are out of that now, Coach Floyd has actually got a decent football team this year. Heck we beat Cleveland on there field (first time since 1977 to beat them there) and our first victory in 21 years.
 
#66
#66
STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, PEOPLE. HE GONE NOW. HE NEVER BE A VOLS AGAIN AS LONG LANE KIFFIN STILL THE COACH, ANY OTHER COACHES FOR THAT MATHER. MIKE DID THE RIGHT THING TO FIRED THAT FAT MAN.:lolabove:
 
#68
#68
Why start this thread? Phil is gone and it seems like everyone isn't satisfied with him being gone. Who cares that your sister talked to a former vol's wife. WHO CARES! Stop looking in the past and look to the future!!

Also, I appreciated the change in the program, I think it was well overdue, after not seeing progress and struggling against teams that we should be dominating. That being said, I'm tired of people putting down Philly Blunt, he did do a lot for the university and don't forget that
 
#71
#71
Yawn.... Raining in Lexington today. Maybe Phil is crying. Leave the guy alone. He did win a NC and we all loved him then. He just got comfortable and lost his job.
 
#73
#73
MDBJJC said:
Good Ole Boy Coaching
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Learned it from Majors. I took Keith McCants on a visit to UT in 86 and that was the word the players gave Keith. Majors plays favorites. Not lost on McCants was that his friend (Charles Kimbrough) got more playing time in the game during Keith's visit. McCants signed with bama-----the Nissan Pathfinder was more to Keith's liking. True story.
 
#74
#74
my wife's 2nd cousin husband's brother said IT'S TIME to move on...and IT'S TIME to check that old baggage at the gate IT'S TIME to stop talking about CPF.
 
#75
#75
my wife's 2nd cousin husband's brother said IT'S TIME to move on...and IT'S TIME to check that old baggage at the gate IT'S TIME to stop talking about CPF.
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Phill-up agrees..
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