My 2006 NCAA Predictions

[WA_Vol]

What does that have to do with the price of fireworks in Chattanooga?

You said:
..and then I pointed out that the analogy is absolutely ridiculous given that we've had success with a lot of other QBs and in fact we won the National title WITHOUT Manning.

You can criticize Fulmer for a lot of reasons, but you should at least pick one that's slightly valid.

How do you measure success? Fulmer has only won 2 SEC titles as head coach, one in 97 with Manning and one in 98 with Tee Martin.

IMO many of the players off the 98 team do not become vols if Fulmer doesnt recruit Manning. You take Manning out of the equation, you probably don't win an SEC in 97, and you dont recruit the players that win the NC and the SEC in 98.

 

[GAVol]

How do you measure success? UT won one other SEC championship with Tee Martin and thats it.

Fulmer wins the SEC in 97 with Manning and 98 with Tee Martin. IMO many of the players off the 98 team do not become vols if Fulmer doesnt recruit Manning. IMO you take Manning out of the equation, you probably don't an SEC in 97, and you dont recruit the players thats the SEC in 98.

You've taken an unrelated, offhand statement I made about Eric Zeier making Ray Goff look good and turned it into a Fulmer argument. No thanks.

 

[WA_Vol]

You've taken an unrelated, offhand statement I made about Eric Zeier making Ray Goff look good and turned it into a Fulmer argument. No thanks.

I was trying to show a similar analogy to Fulmer/Manning thats all.

 

[WA_Vol]

Back to the original topic, looking at UT's past seasons for a cycle:

98 SEC champs
01 SEC champ game
04 SEC champ game

The cycle is is a 3 year gap between SEC champ. games. UT is due to make it back to the SEC champ game in 07 then.

Compared to the preceding seasons:

97 SEC champs
00 Cotton Bowl loss
03 Citrus Bowl loss

The cycle would suggest in 06 UT would go 8-5 or 9-4 with a citrus bowl appearance and play for the SEC championship in 07.

07 also coincides with Eric Ainge's senior season, and probably will be the season he puts up his best numbers.

 

[jakez4ut]

Back to the original topic, looking at UT's past seasons for a cycle:

98 SEC champs
01 SEC champ game
04 SEC champ game

The cycle is is a 3 year gap between SEC champ. games. UT is due to make it back to the SEC champ game in 07 then.

Compared to the preceding seasons:

97 SEC champs
00 Cotton Bowl loss
03 Citrus Bowl loss

The cycle would suggest in 06 UT would go 8-5 or 9-4 with a citrus bowl appearance and play for the SEC championship in 07.

07 also coincides with Eric Ainge's senior season, and probably will be the season he puts up his best numbers.

Actually, i could see this scenario playing out....i don't think we'll be in it this year, next year could be the year....

 

[OrangeSquare]

Back to the original topic, looking at UT's past seasons for a cycle:

98 SEC champs
01 SEC champ game
04 SEC champ game

The cycle is is a 3 year gap between SEC champ. games. UT is due to make it back to the SEC champ game in 07 then.

Compared to the preceding seasons:

97 SEC champs
00 Cotton Bowl loss
03 Citrus Bowl loss

The cycle would suggest in 06 UT would go 8-5 or 9-4 with a citrus bowl appearance and play for the SEC championship in 07.

07 also coincides with Eric Ainge's senior season, and probably will be the season he puts up his best numbers.

First of all, the Citrus Bowl doesn't exist. It's the Capitol One Bowl, and secondly, after the 03 season, Tennessee lost to Clemson in the Peach Bowl.

Following the 01 Season, Tennessee won the Citrus Bowl in it's final year as the Citrus Bowl, 45-17 over Michigan.
Following the 02 Season, Tennessee lost the Peach Bowl to Maryland 30-3.
Following the 03 Season, Tennessee lost the Peach Bowl to Clemson 27-14.
Following the 04 Season, Tennessee won the Cotton Bowl over Texas A&M 38-7.

 

[OrangeSquare]

Secondly, Tennessee will more than likely not play in the Capitol One Bowl, without appearing in the SEC CG. That bowl USUALLY takes the loser of the SEC CG.

With the records you suggest, (8-5, 9-4) you are including the bowl game, which means that Tennessee is either 7-5, 8-4, or 9-3 going into the Bowl season. 9-3 MIGHT get the Vols an invite to the Outback Bowl, since they have snubbed them for a few seasons, however, why would they stop snubbing UT now?

There is a much better chance that a 9-3 Tennessee team either goes to the Cotton Bowl or the Chik Fil Lay Bowl (Formerly the Peach). 8-4 Might get the Vols to the Chik Fil Lay Bowl, but having been there so much lately, I can see them being passed over and slipping to the Independance or Music City, whichever has the first pick this season, (Music City I think, since Independance did last season). 7-5 would for SURE have UT in the Independance or Music City Bowl.

 

[hatvol96]

First of all, the Citrus Bowl doesn't exist. It's the Capitol One Bowl, and secondly, after the 03 season, Tennessee lost to Clemson in the Peach Bowl.

Following the 01 Season, Tennessee won the Citrus Bowl in it's final year as the Citrus Bowl, 45-17 over Michigan.
Following the 02 Season, Tennessee lost the Peach Bowl to Maryland 30-3.
Following the 03 Season, Tennessee lost the Peach Bowl to Clemson 27-14.
Following the 04 Season, Tennessee won the Cotton Bowl over Texas A&M 38-7.

For those of us who aren't shills for the corporate masters, it's still the Citrus Bowl.

 

[OrangeSquare]

For those of us who aren't shills for the corporate masters, it's still the Citrus Bowl.

LOL OH really?

The Florida Citrus Bowl was SPONSORED BY THE FLORIDA "CITRUS" growers Organization. It's a much bigger corporate master than Capitol One.

That's funny.

 

[hatvol96]

LOL OH really?

The Florida Citrus Bowl was SPONSORED BY THE FLORIDA "CITRUS" growers Organization. It's a much bigger corporate master than Capitol One.

That's funny.

The Citrus Growers produce something. Capitol One just shuffles paper. I'll take the guys who make my orange juice in that comparison.

 

[OrangeSquare]

The Citrus Growers produce something. Capitol One just shuffles paper. I'll take the guys who make my orange juice in that comparison.

Nice Backpeddle.

 

[hatvol96]

Nice Backpeddle.

Capitol One is a corporation, the Citrus Growers are an association. There's a difference. When was the last time you saw the Citrus Growers on television trying to hawk a "low interest" credit card to you?

 

[milohimself]

I'll take the middle, by calling it what it is (Capital One Bowl). But I still won't be applying for a credit card from them any time soon. From all accounts, I've heard they suck.

 

[jakez4ut]

it will always be the citrus bowl, it will always be the Peach bowl, it will and if it gets called that on this site, we all know what bowl we're talking about.

Just because someone paid a bunch of money to have their name plastered all over the TV and banners in the Stadium...doesn't mean we have to call it by that name.

 

[hatvol96]

it will always be the citrus bowl, it will always be the Peach bowl, it will and if it gets called that on this site, we all know what bowl we're talking about.

Just because someone paid a bunch of money to have their name plastered all over the TV and banners in the Stadium...doesn't mean we have to call it by that name.

That's it Jake, fight the power.

 

[jakez4ut]

That's it Jake, fight the power.

:aggressive:

 

[orange+white=heaven]

That's it Jake, fight the power.

It has gotten kind of ridiculous. The Titans now will play home games at Louisiana Pacific Field for cripes sake...

 

[jakez4ut]

The Carolina Panters will play at Bank of America stadium, formerly known as Ericsson Stadium etc.....

it's gotten to the point now where the local sports shows around here now just call it "the stadium". they never use the company's name that paid for the naming rights.....it's kind of funny actually, when people try to correct them, they simply reply "no one paid me to call it that, pay me and i'll call it whatever you want".

and to that, i agree.

 

[OrangeSquare]

Capitol One is a corporation, the Citrus Growers are an association. There's a difference. When was the last time you saw the Citrus Growers on television trying to hawk a "low interest" credit card to you?

Just because I LOVE debating with you so much.....

MCLEAN, Va., April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Capital One Financial Corporation (NYSE: COF) today announced that its earnings for the first quarter of 2006 were $883.3 million, or $2.86 per share (diluted), compared with $506.6 million, or $1.99 per share (diluted), for the first quarter of 2005, and $280.3 million, or $0.97 per share (diluted), for the fourth quarter of 2005.

Overall, total on-tree revenue for oranges, grapefruit and specialty citrus is projected at $1,053.0 million in 2005-06, versus $742.3 million in 2004-05, with specialty citrus on-tree revenue estimated at $74.8 million in 2005-06 versus $59.0 million last season.

What does all that mean? Not much really, except that neither one of the "Corporations" or "Associations" are hurting for revenue.

I understand the thought of some of you guys, but I don't see anyone trying to save the "Grantland Rice Bowl" or the "Bluebonnet Bowl" and still calling them by those names.

I brought it up because when someone says "The Citrus Bowl" or the "Peach Bowl" it just gives the illusion that that person does not know what they are talking about, because they are referring to Bowls that no longer exist. I was trying to help, incase you didn't realize those Bowls had changed sponsors. P.S. The Sugar Bowl has changed sponsors too, although it will still be "The Sugar Bowl".

 

[hatvol96]

Just because I LOVE debating with you so much.....

MCLEAN, Va., April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Capital One Financial Corporation (NYSE: COF) today announced that its earnings for the first quarter of 2006 were $883.3 million, or $2.86 per share (diluted), compared with $506.6 million, or $1.99 per share (diluted), for the first quarter of 2005, and $280.3 million, or $0.97 per share (diluted), for the fourth quarter of 2005.

Overall, total on-tree revenue for oranges, grapefruit and specialty citrus is projected at $1,053.0 million in 2005-06, versus $742.3 million in 2004-05, with specialty citrus on-tree revenue estimated at $74.8 million in 2005-06 versus $59.0 million last season.

What does all that mean? Not much really, except that neither one of the "Corporations" or "Associations" are hurting for revenue.

I understand the thought of some of you guys, but I don't see anyone trying to save the "Grantland Rice Bowl" or the "Bluebonnet Bowl" and still calling them by those names.

I brought it up because when someone says "The Citrus Bowl" or the "Peach Bowl" it just gives the illusion that that person does not know what they are talking about, because they are referring to Bowls that no longer exist. I was trying to help, incase you didn't realize those Bowls had changed sponsors. P.S. The Sugar Bowl has changed sponsors too, although it will still be "The Sugar Bowl".

Nobody still calls it the Bluebonnet Bowl because that bowl went out of business many years ago.

 

[jakez4ut]

Just because I LOVE debating with you so much.....

MCLEAN, Va., April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Capital One Financial Corporation (NYSE: COF) today announced that its earnings for the first quarter of 2006 were $883.3 million, or $2.86 per share (diluted), compared with $506.6 million, or $1.99 per share (diluted), for the first quarter of 2005, and $280.3 million, or $0.97 per share (diluted), for the fourth quarter of 2005.

Overall, total on-tree revenue for oranges, grapefruit and specialty citrus is projected at $1,053.0 million in 2005-06, versus $742.3 million in 2004-05, with specialty citrus on-tree revenue estimated at $74.8 million in 2005-06 versus $59.0 million last season.

What does all that mean? Not much really, except that neither one of the "Corporations" or "Associations" are hurting for revenue.

I understand the thought of some of you guys, but I don't see anyone trying to save the "Grantland Rice Bowl" or the "Bluebonnet Bowl" and still calling them by those names.

I brought it up because when someone says "The Citrus Bowl" or the "Peach Bowl" it just gives the illusion that that person does not know what they are talking about, because they are referring to Bowls that no longer exist. I was trying to help, incase you didn't realize those Bowls had changed sponsors. P.S. The Sugar Bowl has changed sponsors too, although it will still be "The Sugar Bowl".

THANKS FOR THE HELP BROTHER!!!! Of course, i would just assume that the person is referring to the Citrus Bowl or Peach Bowl, and move on. Cause, i figure if they know enough to call it the Citrus Bowl, they probably mean that New Year's day bowl game that's playe in Orlando. Or that the same be true about the Peach Bowl and it's played on New Year's Eve in Atlanta...but that's just me.

 

[hatvol96]

Just because I LOVE debating with you so much.....

MCLEAN, Va., April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Capital One Financial Corporation (NYSE: COF) today announced that its earnings for the first quarter of 2006 were $883.3 million, or $2.86 per share (diluted), compared with $506.6 million, or $1.99 per share (diluted), for the first quarter of 2005, and $280.3 million, or $0.97 per share (diluted), for the fourth quarter of 2005.

Overall, total on-tree revenue for oranges, grapefruit and specialty citrus is projected at $1,053.0 million in 2005-06, versus $742.3 million in 2004-05, with specialty citrus on-tree revenue estimated at $74.8 million in 2005-06 versus $59.0 million last season.

What does all that mean? Not much really, except that neither one of the "Corporations" or "Associations" are hurting for revenue.

I understand the thought of some of you guys, but I don't see anyone trying to save the "Grantland Rice Bowl" or the "Bluebonnet Bowl" and still calling them by those names.

I brought it up because when someone says "The Citrus Bowl" or the "Peach Bowl" it just gives the illusion that that person does not know what they are talking about, because they are referring to Bowls that no longer exist. I was trying to help, incase you didn't realize those Bowls had changed sponsors. P.S. The Sugar Bowl has changed sponsors too, although it will still be "The Sugar Bowl".

Capital One is a single entity. The Citrus Growers are a collection of farmers and grove owners. I'd say $883.3 mil undivided trumps $1.053 billion split hundreds of ways every day.

 

[OrangeSquare]

Or that the same be true about the Peach Bowl and it's played on New Year's Eve in Atlanta...but that's just me.

Although not ALWAYS on New Year's Eve. :biggrin2:

 

[milohimself]

Semantics. You're not putting any money in the pockets of corporations, or associations, or whatever by simply mentioning their name. And I'm sure we all know they exist, as most groups putting their name on bowl games already have other large marketing schemes. It's your choice if you want to patronize any of these businesses.

Oi vey.

 

[WA_Vol]

LOL OH really?

The Florida Citrus Bowl was SPONSORED BY THE FLORIDA "CITRUS" growers Organization. It's a much bigger corporate master than Capitol One.

That's funny.

I suppose in your mind

the rose bowl now is the (insert coporate sponsor here) bowl
the sugar bowl now is the (insert corporate sponsor here) bowl
the fiesta bowl now is the (insert corpporate sponsor here) bowl
etc