"Muslim Ban" Part II Halted

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Two judges have already blocked Trump's second attempt.

"The illogic of the Government's contentions is palpable. The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed," Watson wrote.
"Equally flawed is the notion that the Executive Order cannot be found to have targeted Islam because it applies to all individuals in the six referenced countries," Watson added. "It is undisputed, using the primary source upon which the Government itself relies, that these six countries have overwhelmingly Muslim populations that range from 90.7% to 99.8%."
"It would therefore be no paradigmatic leap to conclude that targeting these countries likewise targets Islam," Watson added. "Certainly, it would be inappropriate to conclude, as the Government does, that it does not."
"When considered alongside the constitutional injuries and harms ... and the questionable evidence supporting the Government's national security motivations, the balance of equities and public interests justify granting the Plaintiffs' (request to block the new order)," Watson wrote.
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Trump has the power to limit any class of immigrant for security reasons. He is now, unfairly, dealing with the consequences of running his yap. These judges are citing things that he said on the campaign trail. These decisions should be overturned, but it makes for an interesting sideshow.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Two judges have already blocked Trump's second attempt.



Trump has the power to limit any class of immigrant for security reasons. He is now, unfairly, dealing with the consequences of running his yap. These judges are citing things that he said on the campaign trail. These decisions should be overturned, but it makes for an interesting sideshow.
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These judges should be removed (yes I know that can't happen). This is a perfect example of judicial overreach and activism.
 
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hog88 said:
These judges should be removed (yes I know that can't happen). This is a perfect example of judicial overreach and activism.
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Damn the checks and balances! We want a President that can rule with impunity, make felonious accusations and not be bothered with having to follow the law.
 
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Septic said:
Damn the checks and balances! We want a President that can rule with impunity, make felonious accusations and not be bothered with having to follow the law.
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This isn't a case of checks and balances. Not even close.
 
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hog88 said:
This isn't a case of checks and balances. Not even close.
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Its a case of butthurt.

Hawaii thinks the ban will hurt their economy. What in the F..anyone been to Hawaii? There aren't a lot of burkini's on the beach...

What people dont seem to grasp is that its NOT a permanent ban..its a temporary order that is supposed to allow the gubmint time to analyze immigration/visa procedures.

Sometimes I think a meteor striking the earth can't come soon enough to be the natural selection that mother earth needs to cleanse itself
 
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hog88 said:
These judges should be removed (yes I know that can't happen). This is a perfect example of judicial overreach and activism.
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How is it overreach and activism? The judge didn't go out and seek this case. Suit was filed in his jurisdiction. It's called doing his job.
 
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MT LeConte said:
How is it overreach and activism? The judge didn't go out and seek this case. Suit was filed in his jurisdiction. It's called doing his job.
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Both judges were wrong in their decisions and this EO is completely and legally within the Presidents purview.
 
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MT LeConte said:
How is it overreach and activism? The judge didn't go out and seek this case. Suit was filed in his jurisdiction. It's called doing his job.
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Suit was filed yet again in the 9th Circuit.

That's picking which court you want for judicial activism.
 
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MT LeConte said:
How is it overreach and activism? The judge didn't go out and seek this case. Suit was filed in his jurisdiction. It's called doing his job.
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Apparently, he sees "doing his job" as stopping a duly elected President from doing his job to protect the citizens against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
 
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MT LeConte said:
How is it overreach and activism? The judge didn't go out and seek this case. Suit was filed in his jurisdiction. It's called doing his job.
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I like to hate on Trump as much as the next guy, but the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 grants the president the following power...

Section 212(f), states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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Carter used the power to ban Iranian immigrants during the hostage crisis. Obama has used it similarly. The only real difference is that Trump is using it to halt immigration from 6 countries and Trump's mouth. If he hadn't been busy spewing hateful talk about registries and banning mulsims, he wouldn't have this issue now. But regardless, these judges have overreached on this one.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Apparently, he sees "doing his job" as stopping a duly elected President from doing his job to protect the citizens against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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Did the judge even say courts normally defer to the government on issues of national security?


Oh yeah but not when Obama isn't president anymore!..
 
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You know? There's an easy way to fix this. Since Hawaii is so hell bent on getting in these refugees and others, fine. Relocate each and every one of them to that State. Not enough space? Easy enough to use eminent domain to grab the State owned land for the refugee camps. Oh, and by the way, since they are in your State, you get to take care of them without Federal assistance.

Your move, mother****er.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know? There's an easy way to fix this. Since Hawaii is so hell bent on getting in these refugees and others, fine. Relocate each and every one of them to that State. Not enough space? Easy enough to use eminent domain to grab the State owned land for the refugee camps. Oh, and by the way, since they are in your State, you get to take care of them without Federal assistance.

Your move, mother****er.
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Move Gitmo to the North Shore.

I Like it.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
A Delaware judge ruled the same way.
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Maryland actually. But I'm also wondering how ready some of these suits were when they knew the EO was going into effect. My guess is they had everything lined up except the paperwork for "Exhibit A" and pulled the trigger as soon as it was published in the Federal Register.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You don't think people shop for the right judge in these politically sensitive cases?

Don't be a fool.
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You can forum shop pretty easily and you can file in forum with more judges that you think might be receptive to your arguments, but shopping for a specific judge is tough.

You know? There's an easy way to fix this. Since Hawaii is so hell bent on getting in these refugees and others, fine. Relocate each and every one of them to that State. Not enough space? Easy enough to use eminent domain to grab the State owned land for the refugee camps. Oh, and by the way, since they are in your State, you get to take care of them without Federal assistance.

Your move, mother****er.
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Then there is nothing that can be done to prevent free travel among the states...
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You can forum shop pretty easily and you can file in forum with more judges that you think might be receptive to your arguments, but shopping for a specific judge is tough.
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True, but sending it into the 9th Circuit, which has a track record of idiocy, can be "judge shopping."

Maybe I wasn't specific enough, but yes, these cases are likely filed in known areas that would be sympathetic to the cause.


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Then there is nothing that can be done to prevent free travel among the states...
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Yeah, you're right.

Stop being a lawyer for a moment.
 
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Grand Vol said:
True, but sending it into the 9th Circuit, which has a track record of idiocy, can be "judge shopping."

Maybe I wasn't specific enough, but yes, these cases are likely filed in known areas that would be sympathetic to the cause.




Yeah, you're right.

Stop being a lawyer for a moment.
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LMAO.

As for forum shopping... that is the privilege of the plaintiff. Anywhere that you can get personal jurisdiction is good. You'd be a fool to choose a forum that wasn't conducive for success.
 
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