Musical hot takes

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bignewt said:
Steely Dan is an acquired taste. You can literally go one day thinking they suck then some chemical reaction finally occurs in your brain and the next day they are genius, they are amazing, no one has every recorded such precise, funky tunes. It took me about 20 years then bam.
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Was teen when they were in their prime. Liked them, but grew to appreciate them more as I got older.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Also, I didn't know Bush gets lumped in with Nickelback and Creed. Never got into Bush, but they were OK. Never looked at them like those bands, but now I kinda see it.
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Bush is different than Nickelback or Creed (less cookie-cutter, more depth to their musicianship and songwriting), but they're all post-grunge.
 
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05_never_again said:
Bush is different than Nickelback or Creed (less cookie-cutter, more depth to their musicianship and songwriting), but they're all post-grunge.
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The first band that I felt was "mine" was Weezer when I was 12 as they were blowing up. A bunch of kids at my school went to the Bush concert, and I remember them acting like Bush was much cooler than Weezer. That's exactly the game Bush was playing. 12 year olds will think they're cool. - their producers

I didn't know what cool was. Probably still don't, but I feel pretty good about this one in hindsight.
 
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And since I brought up Weezer, my lukewarm take is that Pinkerton is their best album.

My hot take is that Island in the Sun is their worst song.
 
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Bush's music hasn't held up well over the years. I've tried, and it's almost unlistenable.

Pinkerton might be Weezer's best album. I think I like the blue album better, but Pinkerton is an acceptable hot take. The blue album is easily in the top 10 albums of the '90s.

Nevermind is Nirvana's worst album. Bleach is #1, Incesticide is #2, In Utero is #3.

Ten is Pearl Jam's worst album. Vs. is #1 followed by, in no particular order, the next few albums through Yield (or maybe even binaural?)

I can't decide if Dirt or Jar of Flies is Alice in Chains' best album. They're completely different are probably 1a and 1b.

Weezer fans should watch this and thank me later: Nostalgia & Weezer
 
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Duane Allman was a great guitar player, but Dickey Betts was the more musical player, and his songs made the Allman Brothers who they were.
 
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Jack5151 said:
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard are the best band in the world right now.
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seen them live twice, well technically paid to see them once was next door to an outdoor show in LA, great shows, decent music. if they had a different name, and came from the US they wouldn't be as popular. they do a bunch of different things, but I don't think they do any of it well enough to claim best in the world.
 
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MannyD said:
Most popular music sucks live.
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I'm guessing in your opinion the boldened is what carries the day anyway. When I think "pop" music I think radio play and people wanting to sing along like they do in their cars. I can't fault your taste on the subjective "quality" of what what most would consider modern pop, especially if you're coming from a more serious audiophile place, but I can't fault people that show up and pay to hear a song they like and wanting to, you know, hear the song they like as opposed to some new interpretation. If that is the music you went to hear then it's a win for band and audience. The former gets paid and the latter stays happy. It might not be truly "exactly" like the radio version but it's not going all Postmodern Jukebox either.

Where your take has the most legs is if that's pretty much all you've got in your music interest repertoire then one wouldn't have to be so much judgemental as kinda feeling sorry for them. I like your food analogy. It's ok to like chicken fingers but if that's really all you eat you're really just shorting yourself with that lack of diversity.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And since I brought up Weezer, my lukewarm take is that Pinkerton is their best album.

My hot take is that Island in the Sun is their worst song.
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For me, Weezer got close! I liked them, but never loved them. I kept waiting for that breakout album from them that was going to blow me away but it never happened.
 
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bignewt said:
Steely Dan is an acquired taste. You can literally go one day thinking they suck then some chemical reaction finally occurs in your brain and the next day they are genius, they are amazing, no one has every recorded such precise, funky tunes. It took me about 20 years then bam.
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I go through this with ELO.
 
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The Red Hot Chili Peppers have elite musicianship but insisted on ruining it with lyrics that sound like Mad Libs.
 
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MannyD said:
Bush's music hasn't held up well over the years. I've tried, and it's almost unlistenable.

Pinkerton might be Weezer's best album. I think I like the blue album better, but Pinkerton is an acceptable hot take. The blue album is easily in the top 10 albums of the '90s.

Nevermind is Nirvana's worst album. Bleach is #1, Incesticide is #2, In Utero is #3.

Ten is Pearl Jam's worst album. Vs. is #1 followed by, in no particular order, the next few albums through Yield (or maybe even binaural?)

I can't decide if Dirt or Jar of Flies is Alice in Chains' best album. They're completely different are probably 1a and 1b.

Weezer fans should watch this and thank me later: Nostalgia & Weezer
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Hot take on Nirvana, indeed
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
The Red Hot Chili Peppers have elite musicianship but insisted on ruining it with lyrics that sound like Mad Libs.
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Billy Joel told Bill Maher in an interview that the lyrics themselves don't matter as much as people (especially the artist themselves) think; it is more about how the singer's voice sounds. Also:
"September" has a funk groove based on a four-measure pattern that is consistent between verses and choruses, built on a circle of fifths.[7]

Written in the key of A major, and using a chord progression written by Earth, Wind & Fire guitarist Al McKay, vocalist Maurice White and songwriter Allee Willis wrote the song over one month. Willis was initially bothered by the gibberish "ba-dee-ya" lyric White used through the song, and begged him to rewrite it: "I just said, 'What the **** does "ba-dee-ya" mean?' And he essentially said, 'Who the **** cares?' I learned my greatest lesson ever in songwriting from him, which was never let the lyric get in the way of the groove."[8]
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MannyD said:
Bush's music hasn't held up well over the years. I've tried, and it's almost unlistenable.

Pinkerton might be Weezer's best album. I think I like the blue album better, but Pinkerton is an acceptable hot take. The blue album is easily in the top 10 albums of the '90s.

Nevermind is Nirvana's worst album. Bleach is #1, Incesticide is #2, In Utero is #3.

Ten is Pearl Jam's worst album. Vs. is #1 followed by, in no particular order, the next few albums through Yield (or maybe even binaural?)

I can't decide if Dirt or Jar of Flies is Alice in Chains' best album. They're completely different are probably 1a and 1b.

Weezer fans should watch this and thank me later: Nostalgia & Weezer
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Super hot takey.

If you want to argue that Smells Like Teen Spirit, their biggest hit from that album and their biggest hit period, was overrated, then I agree. It's a great song, but not my favorite Nirvana song.

But In Bloom, Come As You Are, Lithium, Drain You, and Something In The Way are also on Nevermind...can't get behind that it was their worst album.

I also don't think they were the best band to come out of grunge...I think that honor is reserved for AiC or Soundgarden.
 
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05_never_again said:
Billy Joel told Bill Maher in an interview that the lyrics themselves don't matter as much as people (especially the artist themselves) think; it is more about how the singer's voice sounds. Also:
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It's totally true. I think lyrics matter, but I also rarely know what the lyrics are.

7 Nation Army is a nonsense song, as far as an underlying message goes. The lyrics don't give it meaning. When JW was a kid, he thought people saying "salvation army" were saying "7 nation." The song still has meaning because it has emotion.
 
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05_never_again said:
Billy Joel told Bill Maher in an interview that the lyrics themselves don't matter as much as people (especially the artist themselves) think; it is more about how the singer's voice sounds.
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Keith Richards calls this "vowel movements". šŸ˜† How the words flow is more important than what they actually are.
 
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05_never_again said:
Super hot takey.

If you want to argue that Smells Like Teen Spirit, their biggest hit from that album and their biggest hit period, was overrated, then I agree. It's a great song, but not my favorite Nirvana song.

But In Bloom, Come As You Are, Lithium, Drain You, and Something In The Way are also on Nevermind...can't get behind that it was their worst album.

I also don't think they were the best band to come out of grunge...I think that honor is reserved for AiC or Soundgarden.
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Maybe I'm just a contrarian. I think teen spirit deserves the hype. I still remember the first time I saw the video/heard the song on MTV. Unreal. The other hits are great too. I think I've soured on the album because of how popular it is. Something about the compilation aspect of those songs together along with the production (it doesn't sound great) puts it down there for me. Bleach is their rawest record and incesticide is the most "Nirvana" album to me. That's what I picture as their sound.

Nirvana is the best grunge band. Their contemporaries are guys like mudhoney and dinosaur jr. Nirvana has the punk ethos that the other big three are missing that makes it grunge for me. AIC might actually be the best of them, but the title of grunge goes to Nirvana. Staley and Cantell were special together. Not a big fan of Soundgarden but I do like and respect them. Pearl Jam is a straight up rock band and great at what they do.
 
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MannyD said:
Maybe I'm just a contrarian. I think teen spirit deserves the hype. I still remember the first time I saw the video/heard the song on MTV. Unreal. The other hits are great too. I think I've soured on the album because of how popular it is. Something about the compilation aspect of those songs together along with the production (it doesn't sound great) puts it down there for me. Bleach is their rawest record and incesticide is the most "Nirvana" album to me. That's what I picture as their sound.

Nirvana is the best grunge band. Their contemporaries are guys like mudhoney and dinosaur jr. Nirvana has the punk ethos that the other big three are missing that makes it grunge for me. AIC might actually be the best of them, but the title of grunge goes to Nirvana. Staley and Cantell were special together. Not a big fan of Soundgarden but I do like and respect them. Pearl Jam is a straight up rock band and great at what they do.
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My problem with Nirvana is they just weren't very talented musicians. In fairness, that's a tough ask when you are whacked out on heroin all the time. I know plenty of other bands in the genre had substance abuse issues. But, the talent level of AIC, PJ, STP, and Soundgarden was in a different league. All had better vocalists and guitarists that could seriously play. I was in my early years of learning the guitar and cut my teeth on these bands. Nirvana just kind of bored me. Heck, Silverchair had a single great album that i still think is better than anything Nirvana produced.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
My problem with Nirvana is they just weren't very talented musicians. In fairness, that's a tough ask when you are whacked out on heroin all the time. I know plenty of other bands in the genre had substance abuse issues. But, the talent level of AIC, PJ, STP, and Soundgarden was in a different league. All had better vocalists and guitarists that could seriously play. I was in my early years of learning the guitar and cut my teeth on these bands. Nirvana just kind of bored me. Heck, Silverchair had a single great album that i still think is better than anything Nirvana produced.
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That's fair. Kurt was a song writer. I don't think he gets enough credit for his playing and singing...he wrote great riffs and hooks. I remember always wanting to learn his riffs and rarely did that for their peers. And the polish of a guy like Chris Cornell for example (as great as he was) is the argument for Nirvana being the standard for "grunge". Incidentally, Krist Novoselic, Kim Thayil, and Matt Cameron are now in a band together.

Hot take: STP gets a bad rap for being an industry plant, but I loved them. Core was an overrated album. Purple, Tiny Music, and No. 4 were better. Maybe even Shangrila.

Silver Chair's Freak Show was better than Frog Stomp. Great album.
 
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