Musical hot takes

#52
#52
SmokeyGrayCA said:
I'm probably the old man yelling at clouds, but most of today's music is terrible, especially rap. Mastering is terrible, no soul, all digital and overcompressed. Most "rappers" are boring and have no energy unlike the 80s-90s.
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IMO, rap is actually the genre that has declined the most from its glory days (the 90s, IMO).
 
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Steely Dan is an acquired taste. You can literally go one day thinking they suck then some chemical reaction finally occurs in your brain and the next day they are genius, they are amazing, no one has every recorded such precise, funky tunes. It took me about 20 years then bam.
 
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Pennheel said:
That's a hot take to be sure,but it's pretty relaxing. I think I need to start listening to it at night as i deal with insomia.
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For me it's probably a combo of I'm getting older and that most yacht rock for me is a big nostalgia thing. I remember as a kid my mom driving me around and hearing guys like Christopher Cross. I can hear those songs and instantly be back to my childhood.
 
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05_never_again said:
IMO, rap is actually the genre that has declined the most from its glory days (the 90s, IMO).
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I listened to some Public Enemy, NWA, Naughty by Nature, Boogie Down Productions, and a few other late 80s/90s rap the other day and a tear almost came to my eye thinking about what we used to have.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
For me it's probably a combo of I'm getting older and that most yacht rock for me is a big nostalgia thing. I remember as a kid my mom driving me around and hearing guys like Christopher Cross. I can hear those songs and instantly be back to my childhood.
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Same here. It reminds me of my childhood because that's all my mom listened to grow as I growing up in the 90s. I didn't know much better music was out there until I watched MTV and CMT and hung out with my step-dad.

My dad still listens to it so I just endure it if I ever go anywhere with him.
 
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05_never_again said:
IMO, rap is actually the genre that has declined the most from its glory days (the 90s, IMO).
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The valley was in the 2000's. I went to college in that decade, so I had fun with it, but that is the most empty period for hip hop. The popular stuff was mostly trash party music. Not a ton of innovation, outside of Kanye and lesser-known people like MF Doom.

It's a weird world we live in for comparison because what even comprises our view of what is modern hip hop? Used to be the stuff you saw on MTV and heard on the radio, and at the club/HS dances. IDK what they're playing at HS dances. I don't listen to the radio. I am very rarely in the club, but hip hop has largely been replaced by other types of dance music.

We got Kendrick Lamar winning Pullitzer prizes, and interesting guys like Tyler the Creator and KiD CuDi as some of the biggest names in the business. I kinda like where hip hop is at, but I also like the artsy stuff.

If you are a 90s rap fan and want somebody currently in the scene, try Freddie Gibbs.

Also, not a new duo. This is an old duo, but Clipse's new album was so sick.
 
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#58
bignewt said:
Steely Dan is an acquired taste. You can literally go one day thinking they suck then some chemical reaction finally occurs in your brain and the next day they are genius, they are amazing, no one has every recorded such precise, funky tunes. It took me about 20 years then bam.
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I was listening to it at the gym the other day, and it was hitting me so different because headphones vs. speakers. It was a whole new experience. I kept chuckling to myself at how crisp and fun everything is. Then on Deacon Blues, he sings something like, "I cried when I wrote this song." and LOL'd. It's so corny, but it's so good and earnest. I love it.
 
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NorCalVol67 said:
The Beach Boys are overrated.
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Pet Sounds is one of the 5 most important rock albums all time, IMO. Everything else the Beach Boys did is severely overrated. Pet Sounds changed how music was recorded, and it changed our perception of what constituted rock.
 
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Here's my hot take for the day.

Regardless of how you may feel about disco, the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack is still one of the greatest albums to come out of the 70's and The Bee Gees were a terrific band! And this is coming from someone who's mostly a hard rock/metal guy.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Here's my hot take for the day.

Regardless of how you may feel about disco, the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack is still one of the greatest albums to come out of the 70's and The Bee Gees were a terrific band! And this is coming from someone who's mostly a hard rock/metal guy.
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I used to make fun of the Bee Gees then as I got older and saw their 1997 concert on PBS and thought they were pretty awesome. I thought they were great pre-disco ("I Started a Joke" is a great song).

And I don't care what anyone says, "Jive Talkin" slaps.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yacht Rock is actually pretty dope.
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I'm convinced that there is something that changes in your brain once you hit your early 30s that makes you like it. I don't really know what it is, but it was an almost overnight shift for me. I remember riding in the car as a kid and when a song of that style came on the radio, I hated it/thought it was incredibly corny or cheesy. Then probably 5-6 years ago, when listening to Spotify, one would randomly come on and I'd be like "Man, this is good." It's the weirdest thing.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm convinced that there is something that changes in your brain once you hit your early 30s that makes you like it. I don't really know what it is, but it was an almost overnight shift for me. I remember riding in the car as a kid and when a song of that style came on the radio, I hated it/thought it was incredibly corny or cheesy. Then probably 5-6 years ago, when listening to Spotify, one would randomly come on and I'd be like "Man, this is good." It's the weirdest thing.
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Allow me to alter your take just a little. I think most people liked it all along, deep down. Some just refused to admit it to their peers, and possibly even to themselves. When you hit your 30's, you just dont give a damn what anyone thinks anymore! LOL!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Allow me to alter your take just a little. I think most people liked it all along, deep down. Some just refused to admit it to their peers, and possibly even to themselves. When you hit your 30's, you just dont give a damn what anyone thinks anymore! LOL!
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With yacht rock, when I was a kid, I definitely didn't like it.

I would 100% make the take that you just did about a lot of late 90s/early 2000s post-grunge music. Yes, I'm talking Nickelback, Creed, Bush, Three Doors Down, etc. I think deep down a lot of people actually liked it, or at worst thought it was OK, but it became fashionable for a long time to talk about how much you hated it. I think you see a lot of that now on social media where 30 and 40-somethings look back on that music with a lot of nostalgia.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm convinced that there is something that changes in your brain once you hit your early 30s that makes you like it. I don't really know what it is, but it was an almost overnight shift for me. I remember riding in the car as a kid and when a song of that style came on the radio, I hated it/thought it was incredibly corny or cheesy. Then probably 5-6 years ago, when listening to Spotify, one would randomly come on and I'd be like "Man, this is good." It's the weirdest thing.
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eh, about to be 37 and I still think its pretty mid at best. definitely some good songs/bands, Steely Dan probably the best. but no way I would sit down and listen to it as its own genre.
 
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05_never_again said:
With yacht rock, when I was a kid, I definitely didn't like it.

I would 100% make the take that you just did about a lot of late 90s/early 2000s post-grunge music. Yes, I'm talking Nickelback, Creed, Bush, Three Doors Down, etc. I think deep down a lot of people actually liked it, or at worst thought it was OK, but it became fashionable for a long time to talk about how much you hated it. I think you see a lot of that now on social media where 30 and 40-somethings look back on that music with a lot of nostalgia.
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This is my favorite music pod and one of the reasons I like it is that Rob the "critic" is almost always super positive about all genres of music and gives everybody a chance. In this episode, in the nicest way possible, he basically blames Nickelback for ruining rock as we knew it.

Personally, I'm totally resisting the resurrection of these terrible bands. Somebody played Creed all the time in our HS weight room, and I will never recover from that.

I do see parallels in both, but I would argue the yacht rock bands were doing really interesting stuff in the studio and they were very influential. Nickelback and Creed were just capitalizing on what others built.

 
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Also, I didn't know Bush gets lumped in with Nickelback and Creed. Never got into Bush, but they were OK. Never looked at them like those bands, but now I kinda see it.
 
#73
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05_never_again said:
With yacht rock, when I was a kid, I definitely didn't like it.

I would 100% make the take that you just did about a lot of late 90s/early 2000s post-grunge music. Yes, I'm talking Nickelback, Creed, Bush, Three Doors Down, etc. I think deep down a lot of people actually liked it, or at worst thought it was OK, but it became fashionable for a long time to talk about how much you hated it. I think you see a lot of that now on social media where 30 and 40-somethings look back on that music with a lot of nostalgia.
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Truthfully, I never liked any of those bands you mentioned. I thought all of them were boring, generic, "off the rack" bands. Even mainstream metal bands at the time I hated like Slipknot, Korn, Staind, Limp Bizkit, Godsmack, etc. I hated that whole "nu-metal" movement.

At that time, I was much more into bands like Dream Theater, Iced Earth, Symphony X, Blind Guardian, In Flames, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, etc. To me, the underground metal scene was where all the interesting music was coming from at that time.
 
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#74
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Most popular music sucks live. People who like this stuff generally have no originality and don't even really like music (they don't recognize this in themselves and would never acknowledge it when called out). They want to go to a show and see the songs performed exactly the way they were done on the album. And these bands are happy to appease because they, too, are unoriginal and want to keep their "customers" happy. Long live jazz (yeah, I said it), all types of fusion, the grateful dead (yeah, I said it), all jam bands, blues bands, prog rock (or any progressive music), and even popular acts who dare to have even a little boldness when sharing their music the way it was intended to be shared...live (i.e., not recorded). If you want to see a composition performed live, go to the opera or a classical concert.

Finally, I've actually heard people say they expect to go to a show and see the songs performed the exact same way they were done on the record, and I immediately begin to judge them in my mind and imagine all the other permutations of this strange behavior they probably exhibit in other areas of their lives (I know this is not good, and I'm trying to do better). I'm sure these are the same people that enjoy ordering chicken fingers every time they eat out.
 
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