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BigOrangeTrain said:
What’s my belief system? What propaganda do I believe in?
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How many of those 8 points attributed to the left did you find to be an accurate portrayal and which ones?
Your answer to this question will be my answer to your question.
 
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1972 Grad said:
You are aware that deficits are caused by spending more than you take in, right?
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Yes, I'm fully aware of how the deficit is calculated. Obviously, Trump is not aware of how it is calculated or he doesn't care since we just had the largest monthly deficit of any month in the history of our Country. Just admit it, Trump and his cronies lied about the tax cuts when they said they would pay for themselves.
 
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NEVolFan said:
Let's stop and reflect a moment... our journey to hell was being paved for us. by the dims. But things change, don't they. Now, normally I would advocate that we just carry on and dismiss this bs from the libs... but I look forward to seeing this thing through. This forum should be busy with a lot of fair minded exchanges of opinions and reactions as the dims start to get their due.

Values held dear to libs....
1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
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So you want have to go back and find these.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Who is this "we" you speak of, Lone Ranger? You somehow think pro lifers are setting the cost of medical care?
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There's a positive correlation between party affiliation, beliefs on the sanctity of life, and reduction in spending on general welfare.

Although many in the pro-life movement do value life before and after birth, they often vote and advocate for reduction in spending on programs that directly affect pregnant mothers.

So, no; pro-lifers do not set the cost of medical care. That's a narrow and disengenious way to frame the situation. They do have a hand in the promotion of policies and practices that make it more difficult to fund cost reduction initiatives and affirmative medical leave practices for hourly workers.

And to be clear, I use the word "they" as a matter of standard. I am pro-life myself.
 
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AshG said:
There's a positive correlation between party affiliation, beliefs on the sanctity of life, and reduction in spending on general welfare.

Although many in the pro-life movement do value life before and after birth, they often vote and advocate for reduction in spending on programs that directly affect pregnant mothers.

So, no; pro-lifers do not set the cost of medical care. That's a narrow and disengenious way to frame the situation. They do have a hand in the promotion of policies and practices that make it more difficult to fund cost reduction initiatives and affirmative medical leave practices for hourly workers.

And to be clear, I use the word "they" as a matter of standard. I am pro-life myself.
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Pay for people's medical care or kill babies is also a narrow and disingenuous way to frame the situation. And, to be fair, you listed the cost of care as the factor, not welfare.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Pay for people's medical care or kill babies is also a narrow and disingenuous way to frame the situation. And, to be fair, you listed the cost of care as the factor, not welfare.
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Ah, binary thought. Such a crutch on humanity.

I believe that providing cost offsets during the crucial prenatal and post delivery times in the life of mother and child falls into the General Welfare described in the Preamble to the Constitution.

Cost of care is a major factor. The alternative for many women is riskier carriage and birth and we're seeing the results in infant mortality approaching that of third world countries. I'm advocating for the unborn child here. How is that a bad thing?
 
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AshG said:
We were Farmer's market addicts when we lived in Tennessee. I spent part of my youth on a farm and got used to fresh veggies. There's a token monthly market downtown, but it's small, niche, and expensive. We bring coolers with us when we visit family back home.
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Grow your own...
 
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lawgator1 said:
Learn math.

Did the U.S. have a record tax haul after Trump tax cuts?
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Burger said:
Very fair. I just got bored and looked up the collection numbers.
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No you were right Burger. LG has pulled this crap before. Total corporate tax revenue represents about 5% of total revenue. You could do away with it entirely and only lose 5%. But what’s cool is corporate tax revenues were indeed down but total revenue for 2018 was up and is projected to increase for 2019 and 2020 also.

Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?
 
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AshG said:
Ah, binary thought. Such a crutch on humanity.

I believe that providing cost offsets during the crucial prenatal and post delivery times in the life of mother and child falls into the General Welfare described in the Preamble to the Constitution.

Cost of care is a major factor. The alternative for many women is riskier carriage and birth and we're seeing the results in infant mortality approaching that of third world countries. I'm advocating for the unborn child here. How is that a bad thing?
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I'm trying to really hard to turn over a new leaf here, and you're making it incredibly hard to. You literally said that the problem was cost of care. You literally said that "we" (pro-lifers) should do something about the cost of care. When I asked about it, you moved the goalposts and admitted that you weren't actually talking about the cost of care, but actually who would pay it.

When I pointed that out, you insulted me. But, no worries.

My point, with a dab of devil's advocate boiled in, is that, as a libertarian Christian pro-lifer, society has been enforcing lots of things on me and you painted the things enforced on me in a binary way--i.e. two things that I am against as the only options--i.e. government welfare that rewards and encourages irresponsible choices, or stop bitching about killing babies.

You need to step back a bit with that logic.

As a Christian, I've watched decades of societal programming to affirm anti-Biblical sociologies while being continually told I need to affirm and foot the bill for the results. Sexual revolution, irresponsible sexuality, casual sex, the breaking of the nuclear family... And as all these things produce more problems, like unwanted babies, unwed mothers, poverty, etc... You give me the binary. Grow the government, give them more power, give them more money, or kill the babies.

It's not binary. Perhaps we should start having conversations about how to see the babies cared for while not rewarding irresponsible, destructive behavior and growing the government, as the government may not and probably isn't the most efficient way of administering the solution?
 
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AshG said:
Then there's prenatal care. Here's where the lie of pro-life gets me. We have some of the worst infant mortality rates in the developed world in part because prenatal care is exorbitantly expensive and we punish pregnant women when they do go to the doctor by not paying them (unless they're salaried). I'm not on the single payer bandwagon, but if we're serious about being pro-life then we wouldn't be making getting quality care during pregnancy an expensive and financially punitive event.
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To refresh your memory, this is what I responded to. You made cost of care the issue and "us" fixing it the decision, or "we" shouldn't bitch about abortion.

It's a poor look to then insult me for pointing out the points you made, even if they were points you didn't mean to make.

Good evening.
 
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