'26 MS WR Tristen Keys (Tennessee commit)

It's not.. He's going to get paid wherever he goes and will have tons of NIL deals. He's not picking a school based off money. Not to mention he's come out and said such numerous times. There's no reason not to believe it until there is. But, I guess a VN poster knows more than him and everyone else, so I guess I am naive! I've been called worse by better,so..

1. If being developed for the NFL was his primary concern, well over anything else, he would not be choosing TN.

2. I never said NIL was the only thing that mattered, but it sure as hell does matter. And it's a pretty major selling point for us.

3. Every single recruit says it's not about the money. And nearly every single time, they go to the team that offers the most money. How convenient? Or should we just believe them all? Not only that, but it's the same for athletes at every single level where money is involved. They all say it's not about the money, and then they conveniently take the highest offer. David Sanders said (or at least implied) it wasn't about the money either. But funny enough, he went to to the program that offered the most money (and by a significant amount if you believe certain people).
 
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We mostly have 3 star over achievers in the league at WR. It’s not like we’ve had elite ranked kids get there and wash out, have we?
Coach heup & co. elevated some of our 3* guys into nfl draftable prospects his first 2-3 years at the helm. Now that UT is recruiting higher quality high school prospects, I think we will have more 1st & 2nd rounders.

If pruitt would have stayed, most of those guys wouldn’t have been drafted at all.
 
We mostly have 3 star over achievers in the league at WR. It’s not like we’ve had elite ranked kids get there and wash out, have we?
Hyatt would be the only one in question and the Giants are a mess at QB. Thornton is looking strong right now. Not sure why everyone is lumping LSU WRs before Brian Kelly was the coach at LSU. They had 2 that were drafted a couple of years ago and they had the benefit of having a Heisman trophy winning QB for 2 years of their career. Think this is a case of 2 things can be true. I'm sure he is looking for development for the next level, but NIL is definitely in play here.
 
We mostly have 3 star over achievers in the league at WR. It’s not like we’ve had elite ranked kids get there and wash out, have we?
Of the four receivers drafted under Heup, only two were blue chip players in Jalin Hyatt and Donte Thornton. Hyatt was a Biletnikoff winner and Donte Thornton led college football in yards per reception last year.

They also got more out of Bru McCoy than USC ever could. I really do think he could have been another NFL player for Heupel if all the injuries hadn't derailed his career.

I don't think it's been a development issue at WR...it's been a talent issue. None of the guys that have transferred out were NFL caliber and outside of Squirrel I don't think any were even SEC caliber.

They've maximized the talent they've had on the roster every year and that goes beyond the WR position.
 
Of the four receivers drafted under Heup, only two were blue chip players in Jalin Hyatt and Donte Thornton. Hyatt was a Biletnikoff winner and Donte Thornton led college football in yards per reception last year.

They also got more out of Bru McCoy than USC ever could. I really do think he could have been another NFL player for Heupel if all the injuries hadn't derailed his career.

I don't think it's been a development issue at WR...it's been a talent issue. None of the guys that have transferred out were NFL caliber and outside of Squirrel I don't think any were even SEC caliber.

They've maximized the talent they've had on the roster every year and that goes beyond the WR position.
100% agree!
 
Of the four receivers drafted under Heup, only two were blue chip players in Jalin Hyatt and Donte Thornton. Hyatt was a Biletnikoff winner and Donte Thornton led college football in yards per reception last year.

They also got more out of Bru McCoy than USC ever could. I really do think he could have been another NFL player for Heupel if all the injuries hadn't derailed his career.

I don't think it's been a development issue at WR...it's been a talent issue. None of the guys that have transferred out were NFL caliber and outside of Squirrel I don't think any were even SEC caliber.

They've maximized the talent they've had on the roster every year and that goes beyond the WR position.
Bingo.

Folks will see the development soon
 
Of the four receivers drafted under Heup, only two were blue chip players in Jalin Hyatt and Donte Thornton. Hyatt was a Biletnikoff winner and Donte Thornton led college football in yards per reception last year.

They also got more out of Bru McCoy than USC ever could. I really do think he could have been another NFL player for Heupel if all the injuries hadn't derailed his career.

I don't think it's been a development issue at WR...it's been a talent issue. None of the guys that have transferred out were NFL caliber and outside of Squirrel I don't think any were even SEC caliber.

They've maximized the talent they've had on the roster every year and that goes beyond the WR position.
Jalin Hyatt was recruited by Pruitt
 
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Hyatt would be the only one in question and the Giants are a mess at QB. Thornton is looking strong right now. Not sure why everyone is lumping LSU WRs before Brian Kelly was the coach at LSU. They had 2 that were drafted a couple of years ago and they had the benefit of having a Heisman trophy winning QB for 2 years of their career. Think this is a case of 2 things can be true. I'm sure he is looking for development for the next level, but NIL is definitely in play here.
Hyatt would be getting more run if he didn’t drop every pass. He gets open in the nfl but can’t hold onto the ball. Route running/getting open hasn’t been the problem for him.
 
We mostly have 3 star over achievers in the league at WR. It’s not like we’ve had elite ranked kids get there and wash out, have we?
Of the four receivers drafted under Heup, only two were blue chip players in Jalin Hyatt and Donte Thornton. Hyatt was a Biletnikoff winner and Donte Thornton led college football in yards per reception last year.

They also got more out of Bru McCoy than USC ever could. I really do think he could have been another NFL player for Heupel if all the injuries hadn't derailed his career.

I don't think it's been a development issue at WR...it's been a talent issue. None of the guys that have transferred out were NFL caliber and outside of Squirrel I don't think any were even SEC caliber.

They've maximized the talent they've had on the roster every year and that goes beyond the WR position.
The problem isn’t just that Heup has or hasn’t developed an NFL WR1 as much as it is the fact that we have a fairly large sample size of how well veer and shoot players do in the NFL, and it’s not a promising trend if our goal is to build the best team possible. It’s also not all about getting something out of a player or making an offense work with less talent. It’s about developing kids into great players. You need that across the board in every position room if you want to compete for championships. You need a sure fire first round pick or multiple ones at receiver to win a championship without cheating (Michigan)
 
The problem isn’t just that Heup has or hasn’t developed an NFL WR1 as much as it is the fact that we have a fairly large sample size of how well veer and shoot players do in the NFL, and it’s not a promising trend if our goal is to build the best team possible. It’s also not all about getting something out of a player or making an offense work with less talent. It’s about developing kids into great players. You need that across the board in every position room if you want to compete for championships. You need a sure fire first round pick or multiple ones at receiver to win a championship without cheating (Michigan)
Notre Dame made the national championship this past year with no first round receivers and hasn't had one drafted in 3 years.

Michigan won it the year before with no first round receivers. Highest drafted receiver was Roman Wilson in the 3rd round.

Georgia won it back to back with no first round receivers. Pickens and McConkey were both 2nd rounders.

Many of the teams who have played for and won the natty the last few years did it with elite defense, tight ends and running backs. You are falling into recency bias with Ohio State cause they had arguably the most talented freshman WR we've ever seen. You need dynamic playmakers to win a natty but that can come from different positions.

Heup and our staff have shown championship development at multiple position groups and are just now getting their hands on elite talent.
 
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1. If being developed for the NFL was his primary concern, well over anything else, he would not be choosing TN.

2. I never said NIL was the only thing that mattered, but it sure as hell does matter. And it's a pretty major selling point for us.

3. Every single recruit says it's not about the money. And nearly every single time, they go to the team that offers the most money. How convenient? Or should we just believe them all? Not only that, but it's the same for athletes at every single level where money is involved. They all say it's not about the money, and then they conveniently take the highest offer. David Sanders said (or at least implied) it wasn't about the money either. But funny enough, he went to to the program that offered the most money (and by a significant amount if you believe certain people).

There's tons of players that have openly gone with the highest bidder and haven't tried to hide it. There's no secret there. And if it was about strictly money, we wouldn't still be the most likely team to flip him. I don't know the exact numbers each team has offered him, but it's no secret that we were never the highest bidder. Yet, here we are being one of the teams with the most likely shot to flip him. That clearly shows it's not all about money..

That's exactly why he originally chose LSU. Out of the teams in his top 4,LSU had the upper hand in developing WR's and Putting them in the league. The majority of them weren't coached by the current staff, but LSU is at or near the top of being WRU because of what they put in the league before BK arrived. Most recently, I'd probably put Ohio St as the current WRU, along with Ala. With a strong year by Hyatt,Thornton and the WR's currently on the roster, it would definitely go a long way in changing the narrative on Pope and CJH's development of WR's. So far, I have zero faith in Pope. If we land Keys, it won't be because of development or NIL. It will be because he wants to play with Faizon and whatever deal Adidas puts on the table. Truth be told, none of his 4 finalists currently have a WR staff that's currently developed WR's and put them in the league at a high clip. So, even him saying development is the top factor that wouldn't put LSU heavily in 1st place.

As far as David Sanders goes, supposedly Ohio St offered him the most money and by a good amount more. So much that it was more than what Ohio St gave to their entire offensive line. Yet, he still chose the Vols. We did add a sweetener that did include housing. So, Sanders proved it wasn't all about the money. Not to mention, he had the best relationship with the Coach's here and the current players. Even an Ohio St insider said Sanders chose not to go with the highest bidder, ,which was great for us. He chose proximity and relationship's with the Coach's over the highest bid. So, a case where money wasn't the deciding factor.

I'm at the point with Keys that I have no idea what's going to be the deciding factor. It's a false narrative that LSU under BK puts out elite WR's and develops them at a high rate. Pre BK, absolutely, but not currently. Not so sure NIL is the deciding factor with Keys, especially with him signing a deal with Adidas that has nothing to do with who he picks. He's going to get his no matter where he goes. I could be wrong, but I believe the deciding factor will be comfortability with the staff, incoming future teammates, having the talent around him to help set him up for success. Obviously having an elite talent at QB that will consistently get him the ball will be a huge factor. It helps that he and Faizon have a great relationship. Either way, I can't imagine any school will be comfortable signing him until he signs his papers and enrolls.
 
Notre Dame made the national championship this past year with no first round receivers and hasn't had one drafted in 3 years.

Michigan won it the year before with no first round receivers. Highest drafted receiver was Roman Wilson in the 3rd round.

Georgia won it back to back with no first round receivers. Pickens and McConkey were both 2nd rounders.

Many of the teams who have played for and won the natty the last few years did it with elite defense, tight ends and running backs. You are falling into recency bias with Ohio State cause they had arguably the most talented freshman WR we've ever seen. You need dynamic playmakers to win a natty but that can come from different positions.

Heup and our staff have shown championship development at multiple position groups and are just now getting their hands on elite talent.
That Michigan team is the lone outlier in a lot of categories when it comes to national champions. They were also had the lowest blue chip ratio in the CFP era and I think the second lowest in the BCS era behind Auburn with Cam

ND never really stood a chance in that game and weren’t legitimate contenders like Ohio State was in 22 or Bama and Clemson would be when they would lose to each other.

Pickens was a first round talent that just wasn’t healthy, Ladd was an early second round pick and they had Brock Bowers. They also had AD Mitchell one year

The point is you have to have future NFL players as pass catchers to legitimately compete for a national championship, and I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to expect us to be legitimate championship contenders with what we’ve seen Heupel do in such short time. I just think we’re ultimately going to have to evolve the offense some. Heupel’s current offense was exactly what we needed when he got here. It gave us the schematic advantage we needed to put up points till we could build a roster that had talent that could compete with Bama, Georgia, LSU, etc. Now that we’re starting to approach that point changing up the system is something we need to do to develop our talent to its potential. Running an NFL route tree is more than just changing the playbook scheme wise. It develops their breaks and releases better and where to find the soft spots in different parts of the field in different zone coverages. It just allows us to do so much more offensively. With as great as he was last year even Dylan Sampson was very under utilized in the offense because of the limits it creates for itself. We should’ve lined him up everywhere and gotten him the ball on high percentage targets. Jet motion tosses, Texas routes, rail routes off mesh. Seldon also likely could’ve been used in some of those ways too. It also would’ve helped build Nico’s confidence…well maybe…not 🤷🏻‍♂️😂
 
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It will be an Addidas school. So it is Miami and Texas A&M. Would you consider the development at those schools superior to UT when it comes to the WR position?
I don't think the school's sports apparel contract is a big deal for him, he will get paid handsomely no matter which he chooses.
 
I don't think the school's sports apparel contract is a big deal for him, he will get paid handsomely no matter which he chooses.
That is not my opinion. That info is based on somebody that would know. It will be a big surprise, not impossible, but definitely a big surprise if he doesn't end up at an Adidas school. What fans will start to see soon is that the Adidas deal isn't helpful just because players "get paid." There is more to it.
 
That is not my opinion. That info is based on somebody that would know. It will be a big surprise, not impossible, but definitely a big surprise if he doesn't end up at an Adidas school. What fans will start to see soon is that the Adidas deal isn't helpful just because players "get paid." There is more to it.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong. That's one more weight on the scale in favor of the good guys..
 
The problem isn’t just that Heup has or hasn’t developed an NFL WR1 as much as it is the fact that we have a fairly large sample size of how well veer and shoot players do in the NFL, and it’s not a promising trend if our goal is to build the best team possible. It’s also not all about getting something out of a player or making an offense work with less talent. It’s about developing kids into great players. You need that across the board in every position room if you want to compete for championships. You need a sure fire first round pick or multiple ones at receiver to win a championship without cheating (Michigan)
I'll point out that there was a large sample size of air raid quarterbacks who weren't good in the NFL.


And then Patrick mahomes came along
 
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