'26 MS WR Tristen Keys (lsu commit)

I was discouraged watching him in the spring game. Merk was a guy I thought would push Nico to another level.

He has taken a step back -and I’m not about to get into my usual rant as to WHY.

But I agree, Aguilar was a huge get..
Spring games mean nothing. Especially when it's not even a game, but a series of random situational stuff for fans to watch. Merk got rave reviews this spring before the orange and white game. That matters much more than the going-through-the-motions-bland-fan event that was called "the spring game."
 
While it is true that we don't use a ton of WRs, I do think that fact is a bit overemphasized. LSU and Ohio State are widely considered the gold standard for WR play over the past several years. Last season, Ohio State had three WRs to even reach 15 catches for the season. LSU had four with more than 20 and only three with 25 or more. Both teams had 4,000 yard passers. For comparison, we had four WRs with more than 25 catches and that was with Nico only throwing for 2,600 yards. Now, the quality of the top receivers was much higher at both LSU and Ohio State but, strictly in terms of the number of WRs being utilized, we outpaced both of them.
I wonder if we will ever see a 4000 yard passer at UT?
 
Spring games mean nothing. Especially when it's not even a game, but a series of random situational stuff for fans to watch. Merk got rave reviews this spring before the orange and white game. That matters much more than the going-through-the-motions-bland-fan event that was called "the spring game."
Hooker didn’t look good either his first spring.

But from Merks EE spring to this past spring game he didn’t look like he progressed.

Saw the same from Nico and that same cautious gun shy nature showed itself in Nico and now Merklinger. That made its way into the season as we all know.
 
But from Merks EE spring to this past spring game he didn’t look like he progressed.
And yet, everyone who observed spring practices, including coaches, all said that he's improved tremendously. This proves how deceptive spring game performance can be.

Like I said, spring games are meaningless. Especially wonky sideshow spring games like the one we saw this year.
 
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I was discouraged watching him in the spring game. Merk was a guy I thought would push Nico to another level.

He has taken a step back -and I’m not about to get into my usual rant as to WHY.

But I agree, Aguilar was a huge get..

A step back from what? You’ve only ever seen him play vs HS kids.

Hope he’s a baller tho!
 
A step back from what? You’ve only ever seen him play vs HS kids.

Hope he’s a baller tho!
I can only go from his two spring games he’s participated in.

If you look at the only QB that has really balled out under Heupel while at TN- you have Hendon.

He was already experienced and really didn’t get a fair shake a V-Tech.
- Milton deserved his bench at UM
-Nico HS
-Merk HS

Hendon was accustomed to letting it fly and making plays however he needed (Like Aguilar seems to be) and Golesh made sure to maximize his talents.

Joe improved too.

Then came HALZLE.
 
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And yet, everyone who observed spring practices, including coaches, all said that he's improved tremendously. This proves how deceptive spring game performance can be.

Like I said, spring games are meaningless. Especially wonky sideshow spring games like the one we saw this year.
They’re not going to say he’s regressed when he’s been doing all things they tell him to do.

It’s not meaningless. That’s the culmination of the spring work. It’s not everything, but it matters in developing each player. And Merk was deer in the headlights while the GMAC was pretty assertive against a lesser defense. But GMAC also would have had the ones on offense had he been in Merks place.

Aguilar is pretty much a finished product that is OPEN to more coaching but he’s accustomed IN GAME to slinging it and giving his receivers a chance. So Aguilar won’t be as effected as Merklinger is by the over coaching and rambling of Halzle.

2023-2024 has all been Halzle and I’m not going to ignore the facts that this offense has taken a few steps back.
 
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They’re not going to say he’s regressed when he’s been doing all things they tell him to do.

It’s not meaningless. That’s the culmination of the spring work. It’s not everything, but it matters in developing each player. And Merk was deer in the headlights while the GMAC was pretty assertive against a lesser defense. But GMAC also would have had the ones on offense had he been in Merks place.

Aguilar is pretty much a finished product that is OPEN to more coaching but he’s accustomed IN GAME to slinging it and giving his receivers a chance. So Aguilar won’t be as effected as Merklinger is by the over coaching and rambling of Halzle.

2023-2024 has all been Halzle and I’m not going to ignore the facts that this offense has taken a few steps back.

Was Halzle the OC in 2021 when the offense was terrible against Ball State and Pitt and Florida? Then they made Golesh OC before the Missouri game and it got going, right? 😉

The variable when the offense is great vs. average isn’t Golesh vs. Halzle. It’s Hendon Hooker being the QB vs. Milton/Nico being the QB.

Joe Milton was terrible under Golesh when he played in 2021. That was the year he acquired the nickname Overthrow Joe. He was still pretty terrible (under Golesh) when he started against Vanderbilt in 2022.

There’s also the fact that this is Heupel’s offense, not his OC’s.
 
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Was Halzle the OC in 2021 when the offense was terrible against Ball State and Pitt and Florida? Then they made Golesh OC before the Missouri game and it got going, right? 😉

The variable when the offense is great vs. average isn’t Golesh vs. Halzle. It’s Hendon Hooker being the QB vs. Milton/Nico being the QB.

Joe Milton was terrible under Golesh when he played in 2021. That was the year he acquired the nickname Overthrow Joe. He was still pretty terrible (under Golesh) when he started against Vanderbilt in 2022.

There’s also the fact that this is Heupel’s offense, not his OC’s.
I agree with your sentiment. I will also add bringing in an experienced offensive mind like Littrel who is had success elsewhere should stabilize any issues we may have had in the booth the last 2 years. Heupel did take over the play calling last year for a reason.
 
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I agree with your sentiment. I will also add bringing in an experienced offensive mind like Littrel who is had success elsewhere should stabilize any issues we may have had in the booth the last 2 years. Heupel did take over the play calling last year for a reason.
There has never been a time Heupel was not calling the plays here.
 
There has never been a time Heupel was not calling the plays here.
It's Heupel's playbook and I'm sure he has overruled play calls. But it's widely known that Golesh and Hazle was calling the plays in game from Heupel's playbook. Heupel took over the in game play calling from Hazle last year during the Florida game after the 2nd week in a row where the offense couldn't put points on the board.
 
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It's Heupel's playbook and I'm sure he has overruled play calls. But it's widely known that Golesh and Hazle was calling the plays in game from Heupel's playbook. Heupel took over the in game play calling from Hazle last year during the Florida game after the 2nd week in a row where the offense couldn't put points on the board.
Widely known? Where is this info from?
 
I can only go from his two spring games he’s participated in.

If you look at the only QB that has really balled out under Heupel while at TN- you have Hendon.

He was already experienced and really didn’t get a fair shake a V-Tech.
- Milton deserved his bench at UM
-Nico HS
-Merk HS

Hendon was accustomed to letting it fly and making plays however he needed (Like Aguilar seems to be) and Golesh made sure to maximize his talents.

Joe improved too.

Then came HALZLE.
Hey dude. Thought I'd check out USF/ Golesh's offensive stats and national rankings for 2024. You know, since he's the real the genius behind the 2022 record breaking offense. That was Heupel's second season right? Well it turns out that last season was Golesh's second season. Why don't we see how much his offense has been tearing it up!

USF Offense Value (rank)
Points/Game 30.8 (#34)
Yards/Game 409.1 (#41)
Points/Play 0.412 (#54)
Yards/Play 5.5 (#73)
3D Conversion % 37.70% (#85)
4D Conversion % 56.00% (#51)

And just for fun, here's Heupel/ Halzle's stats for 2024:
TENN Offense Value (rank)
Points/Game 32.9 (#26)
Yards/Game 424.9 (#30)
Points/Play 0.441 (#39)
Yards/Play 5.7 (#55)
3D Conversion % 46.15% (#13)
4D Conversion % 58.82% (#44)

Oh wow! It turns out that Halzle and Heupel were better in pretty much every single statistical category last year. That's interesting. Well anyways, I hope we all learned a little something. You see, if you do a little bit of research, you'll discover that sometimes your "hunch" is just a hunch.
 
Hey dude. Thought I'd check out USF/ Golesh's offensive stats and national rankings for 2024. You know, since he's the real the genius behind the 2022 record breaking offense. That was Heupel's second season right? Well it turns out that last season was Golesh's second season. Why don't we see how much his offense has been tearing it up!

USF Offense Value (rank)
Points/Game 30.8 (#34)
Yards/Game 409.1 (#41)
Points/Play 0.412 (#54)
Yards/Play 5.5 (#73)
3D Conversion % 37.70% (#85)
4D Conversion % 56.00% (#51)

And just for fun, here's Heupel/ Halzle's stats for 2024:
TENN Offense Value (rank)
Points/Game 32.9 (#26)
Yards/Game 424.9 (#30)
Points/Play 0.441 (#39)
Yards/Play 5.7 (#55)
3D Conversion % 46.15% (#13)
4D Conversion % 58.82% (#44)

Oh wow! It turns out that Halzle and Heupel were better in pretty much every single statistical category last year. That's interesting. Well anyways, I hope we all learned a little something. You see, if you do a little bit of research, you'll discover that sometimes your "hunch" is just a hunch.
Are you seriously measuring USFs offensive…..

Never mind.

We will not discuss this.
 
Was Halzle the OC in 2021 when the offense was terrible against Ball State and Pitt and Florida? Then they made Golesh OC before the Missouri game and it got going, right? 😉

The variable when the offense is great vs. average isn’t Golesh vs. Halzle. It’s Hendon Hooker being the QB vs. Milton/Nico being the QB.

Joe Milton was terrible under Golesh when he played in 2021. That was the year he acquired the nickname Overthrow Joe. He was still pretty terrible (under Golesh) when he started against Vanderbilt in 2022.

There’s also the fact that this is Heupel’s offense, not his OC’s.
Milton only improved after Hendon took over and they bonded for 2 seasons.

There’s a noticeable difference in play calling from 2022 and what we’ve seen the past 2 seasons.

Look I get that people are excited about recruiting and getting fast players, strong armed QBs. They’re excited about our defensive identity. They like Heupel. Their team can do no wrong at the beginning of each season .
- I also am excited about these things

What I’m not excited about
Golesh
2021 (39 ppg) 7th in the nation.
2022 (46 ppg) 1st in nation.

Halzle
2023 (31.8 ppg) (27th in the nation)
2024 (35.7 ppg) (14th in the nation)

Those are still respectable numbers even when taking into account the blowouts, and the huge Dylan Sampson campaign. Respectable but not the same. 10 points difference in 2022 and 2024.

I won’t do the conference scoring avg, because you already know what those will look like.

If nobody can tell that our offense has limitations until proven otherwise- then I don’t know what to say.
 
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Milton only improved after Hendon took over and they bonded for 2 seasons.

There’s a noticeable difference in play calling from 2022 and what we’ve seen the past 2 seasons.

Look I get that people are excited about recruiting and getting fast players, strong armed QBs. They’re excited about our defensive identity. They like Heupel. Their team can do no wrong at the beginning of each season .
- I also am excited about these things

What I’m not excited about
Golesh
2021 (39 ppg) 7th in the nation.
2022 (46 ppg) 1st in nation.

Halzle
2023 (31.8 ppg) (27th in the nation)
2024 (35.7 ppg) (14th in the nation)

Those are still respectable numbers even when taking into account the blowouts, and the huge Dylan Sampson campaign. Respectable but not the same. 10 points difference in 2022 and 2024.

I won’t do the conference scoring avg, because you already know what those will look like.

If nobody can tell that our offense has limitations until proven otherwise- then I don’t know what to say.
It’s interesting that you just assume the difference is the OC rather than the fact that neither of the two starting QB’s after Hendon Hooker could complete a deep pass to a wide open wide receiver to save their life. The offensive limitation has been the starting QB.
 
Had to back and watch Joe in that 2021 season. First game wasn't as bad as I remembered. Wasn't great by no means but had 2 drops by Hyatt (would have been 15+ gains) and a hail mary at the half. Went 1-3 on deep throws with 2 overthrows on would have been TDs. Ran for 2 TDs.

Pitt is where the frustration came by everyone. 0-5 on deep throws (1 drop by Hyatt (would have been a TD), holding on the play so doesn't officially count; 1 to Keyton but offsides on the defense so doesnt officially count) with 4 overthrows and 3 would be TDs. That's all in the FIRST QUARTER. Officially 0-3 on deep balls and 2 would be TDs, all overthrows.

BTW. Joe played a total of 5 quarters as the starter in 2021. Hella small sample size for any argument.
 
Milton only improved after Hendon took over and they bonded for 2 seasons.

There’s a noticeable difference in play calling from 2022 and what we’ve seen the past 2 seasons.

Look I get that people are excited about recruiting and getting fast players, strong armed QBs. They’re excited about our defensive identity. They like Heupel. Their team can do no wrong at the beginning of each season .
- I also am excited about these things

What I’m not excited about
Golesh
2021 (39 ppg) 7th in the nation.
2022 (46 ppg) 1st in nation.

Halzle
2023 (31.8 ppg) (27th in the nation)
2024 (35.7 ppg) (14th in the nation)

Those are still respectable numbers even when taking into account the blowouts, and the huge Dylan Sampson campaign. Respectable but not the same. 10 points difference in 2022 and 2024.

I won’t do the conference scoring avg, because you already know what those will look like.

If nobody can tell that our offense has limitations until proven otherwise- then I don’t know what to say.
Nobody's saying the offense doesn't have limitations, but it's just lazy to act like Golesh's departure was the only catalyst for Tennessee not having a top 5 offense. Hendon Hooker was a QB that your team gets once a decade who could drop a football into a paint bucket from 50 yards away and could score a touchdown in 30 seconds anytime you needed it. Offenses change to personnel. Teams gave soft coverage and dared Nico and Milton to throw over the top and between the numbers. Why wouldn't you adjust to a slower game pace when your QBs can't hit a guy in stride, you've got a top 10 defense, and you're averaging almost six yards a carry.... I mean come on man. Doesn't that show growth as a head coach?

How many people do you think have told Heupel "if you want to win in the SEC, you gotta have a great defense and a great running game"? I mean, hasn't he delivered? Would you not call that "evolving"?

And I'm sorry man, I don't know you but, I see what you say on here and I've just gotta ask: do you really want to be the guy who is looking forward to telling people "I told you so" when their team fails? Like is that a healthy way to watch football? Or do you want to enjoy the greatest game ever invented for what it is? Come on man, we're a month away from a very interesting season. Offseason optimism and letting the games unfold is what makes Tennessee football great. do you really want to go another season of taking the fun out of football for everyone here? New year, new you. Fall camp starts tomorrow. Let's get excited!
 
Had to back and watch Joe in that 2021 season. First game wasn't as bad as I remembered. Wasn't great by no means but had 2 drops by Hyatt (would have been 15+ gains) and a hail mary at the half. Went 1-3 on deep throws with 2 overthrows on would have been TDs. Ran for 2 TDs.

Pitt is where the frustration came by everyone. 0-5 on deep throws (1 drop by Hyatt (would have been a TD), holding on the play so doesn't officially count; 1 to Keyton but offsides on the defense so doesnt officially count) with 4 overthrows and 3 would be TDs. That's all in the FIRST QUARTER. Officially 0-3 on deep balls and 2 would be TDs, all overthrows.

BTW. Joe played a total of 5 quarters as the starter in 2021. Hella small sample size for any argument.
I was at the Pitt game, as many of us were, and the moment that Hooker came in, the entire offensive unit lit up. Not just better QB play. The entire team responded and played with much more confidence. I don’t know how well that translated on television. In the stadium, it was almost palpable.
 
Milton only improved after Hendon took over and they bonded for 2 seasons.

There’s a noticeable difference in play calling from 2022 and what we’ve seen the past 2 seasons.

Look I get that people are excited about recruiting and getting fast players, strong armed QBs. They’re excited about our defensive identity. They like Heupel. Their team can do no wrong at the beginning of each season .
- I also am excited about these things

What I’m not excited about
Golesh
2021 (39 ppg) 7th in the nation.
2022 (46 ppg) 1st in nation.

Halzle
2023 (31.8 ppg) (27th in the nation)
2024 (35.7 ppg) (14th in the nation)

Those are still respectable numbers even when taking into account the blowouts, and the huge Dylan Sampson campaign. Respectable but not the same. 10 points difference in 2022 and 2024.

I won’t do the conference scoring avg, because you already know what those will look like.

If nobody can tell that our offense has limitations until proven otherwise- then I don’t know what to say.
All those words and you completely ignore the difference in our offense under Golesh when Milton was QB (and also for a game vs. Florida while Hooker was QB, before he got his feet under him). Which means you failed to reply to my post because that was the point.

The fact of inept offense under Golesh in early 2021 with Milton at is a very inconvenient fact for your argument. Why was Golesh’s offense so pedestrian against Bowling Green and Florida? Why was the passing game so inept against Pitt until Milton got hurt and Hooker provided a spark? If the OC is the problem (not the QB) in 23 and 24, why wasn’t the OC the problem in early 2021 until Hooker got rolling?

The variable is not the OC. The variable is the QB.

Yes, the play calling is different…because the QB is different/inferior. Another variable is that defenses have adjusted after 2022. Halzle has had to deal with that, Golesh didn’t. But they weren’t adjusting to either of those guys. They were adjusting to Josh Heupel’s offense.
 
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