MarcoVol
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Let's be honest, some of the kids that they recruit would make it to the league even if they went to UTC.I think the fact Georgia and Bama recruits sometimes receive better rankings due to their history with development and putting guys in the league is a fair explanation.
The problem comes when we don't get the same benefit from Heup's development of QB's which is as good as anyone not named Lincoln Riley. G-Mac dropped from a five star to the 16th ranked QB on On3 by the end of last year's cycle and we are already seeing Faizon drop this year.
RG has also landed Hobbs, West, and Moi. All of which have been impact players, and Joshua Josephs will be a day 2 draft pick at worst after this season. He’s also landed Jordan Ross who while he cost us the Arkansas game has shown flashes of why he was the number 1 edge rusher in the country. Rodney Garner also has a 15 year track record or recruiting and developing elite DL. It’s a massive contrast when comparing the two positon coachesHyatt was a nothing burger in college before this staff.
But Pope’s first WR class would’ve been the ‘23 class. He was hired in March ‘22.
So he’s recruited:
- Seldon who played RB here
- Leacock
- Nate Spillman who we prob took to be in good graces with Edward Spillman
- Thornton from portal (drafted)
He’s also recruited:
- Brazzell from portal
And that concludes the draft eligible WRs that have been recruited under Pope.
He’s also recruited:
- Mike Matthews
- Braylon Staley
- Travis Smith Jr
- Radarious Jackson
- Joakim Dodson
- Amari Jefferson from portal
Additionally can you name a QB that Heup recruited that has been drafted from UT? Joe from the portal. That’s it.
Do you know how many players Garner has recruited while @ UT that have been drafted? TWO. Pearce and Norman-Lott who was a transfer.
See how this argument falls apart pretty quickly?
Staff hasn’t been here long enough to make proclamations about their ability to recruit and develop NFL players.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but at least don't lie to push an agenda. On the defensive line, this staff has put Byron Young in the league after he was at Dollar General and JUCO. Byron is one of the best young EDGE rushers in the league. Omarr Norman-Lott and him were both Day 2 picks. Matthew Butler was a draft pick. James Pearce Jr just went in the first round. Elijah Simmons has a prime chance to make the Cardinals. Omari Thomas has the opportunity of making the Saints. Simmons more likely to make a roster but I'd say last UDFA Tennessee DT the Saints signed worked out alright. This staff developed Tyler Baron who is now a pro.Do you know how many players Garner has recruited while @ UT that have been drafted? TWO. Pearce and Norman-Lott who was a transfer.
See how this argument falls apart pretty quickly?
Staff hasn’t been here long enough to make proclamations about their ability to recruit and develop NFL players.
This just proves voldc has zero cognitive skills1. Only 2 classes have even been draft eligible yet, and 1 of those classes was Huepel's first year where we lost most of our signing class when we fired Pruitt.
2. We've had 4 WRs play well enough to get drafted under Huep. For the record, that is the same amount as UGA over the same period, despite UGA consistently bringing in better recruiting classes before and during Huep's tenure.
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his qb also threw 100 more pass attempts and for 4000 yards compared to our beloved Hawaiian
He said recruited and drafted. Not all those guys listed fit thatYou're entitled to your own opinions, but at least don't lie to push an agenda. On the defensive line, this staff has put Byron Young in the league after he was at Dollar General and JUCO. Byron is one of the best young EDGE rushers in the league. Omarr Norman-Lott and him were both Day 2 picks. Matthew Butler was a draft pick. James Pearce Jr just went in the first round. Elijah Simmons has a prime chance to make the Cardinals. Omari Thomas has the opportunity of making the Saints. Simmons more likely to make a roster but I'd say last UDFA Tennessee DT the Saints signed worked out alright. This staff developed Tyler Baron who is now a pro.
Josh Josephs will be a mid round draft pick this year. Jaxson Moi is one of the best run stuffers in the SEC. Bryson Eason continues to keep developing after being a linebacker his whole life until a couple years ago.
Rodney Garner and his guys have done just fine lol
Recruited Byron Young, James Pearce Jr, Josh Josephs. Not his fault he's turned and molded a group thought to be Omari Thomas and friends into long term highly productive players. How many players is one expecting to recruit from high school and see get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hired?He said recruited and drafted. Not all those guys listed fit that
I think that’s the point. People are complaining about WR recruiting and pointing to lack of recruits turning into draft picks. Now sure how many high school recruits they expect to get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hiredRecruited Byron Young, James Pearce Jr, Josh Josephs. Not his fault he's turned and molded a group thought to be Omari Thomas and friends into long term highly productive players. How many players is one expecting to recruit from high school and see get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hired?
Byron Young enrolled in January 2021. Garner was hired in January 2021. Unless my memory serves me badly. I wouldn’t count that as being recruitedRecruited Byron Young, James Pearce Jr, Josh Josephs. Not his fault he's turned and molded a group thought to be Omari Thomas and friends into long term highly productive players. How many players is one expecting to recruit from high school and see get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hired?
Well yeah that's not fair. The problem with Pope's WR recruiting is the fact that none of the players in his first classes are in KnoxvilleI think that’s the point. People are complaining about WR recruiting and pointing to lack of recruits turning into draft picks. Now sure how many high school recruits they expect to get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hired
Looking back on it, that is correct. I guess I just merged it all together as the start in my head. He still recruited, landed, and developed a first round pick thoByron Young enrolled in January 2021. Garner was hired in January 2021. Unless my memory serves me badly. I wouldn’t count that as being recruited
Marco’s point was recruited and drafted. Which is why Hyatt didn’t fit the point. Not sure what’s confusing here?
First class 2023Well yeah that's not fair. The problem with Pope's WR recruiting is the fact that none of the players in his first classes are in Knoxville
Thought we weren't counting transfers so I just meant high school. I also meant it as the consensus' problem, but I guess that would add in the fact they added absolutely nobody in the portal at receiver that played any last year. Young talent is def there like you said, hopefully he develops itFirst class 2023
Leacock - high 4 stars idk why he didn’t work out
Spillman - to get his brother
Thornton - drafted
Can we see how the next few classes after that do before making a final decision?
Last 2 classes were high on quality
This class is high on quality and if we get Keys will be maybe best class in the country
Much like some other positions, the proof will be in the pudding in the next 2-3 years
Don’t necessarily disagree. I didn’t see anyone in the portal that I wanted us to overpay for.Thought we weren't counting transfers so I just meant high school. I also meant it as the consensus' problem, but I guess that would add in the fact they added absolutely nobody in the portal at receiver that played any last year. Young talent is def there like you said, hopefully he develops it
You're entitled to your own opinions, but at least don't lie to push an agenda. On the defensive line, this staff has put Byron Young in the league after he was at Dollar General and JUCO. Byron is one of the best young EDGE rushers in the league. Omarr Norman-Lott and him were both Day 2 picks. Matthew Butler was a draft pick. James Pearce Jr just went in the first round. Elijah Simmons has a prime chance to make the Cardinals. Omari Thomas has the opportunity of making the Saints. Simmons more likely to make a roster but I'd say last UDFA Tennessee DT the Saints signed worked out alright. This staff developed Tyler Baron who is now a pro.
Josh Josephs will be a mid round draft pick this year. Jaxson Moi is one of the best run stuffers in the SEC. Bryson Eason continues to keep developing after being a linebacker his whole life until a couple years ago.
Rodney Garner and his guys have done just fine lol
I think Byron was actually discovered, recruited and committed to Cornbread. This staff did hold on to him though, as he was hung up on coming after the firing.Recruited Byron Young, James Pearce Jr, Josh Josephs. Not his fault he's turned and molded a group thought to be Omari Thomas and friends into long term highly productive players. How many players is one expecting to recruit from high school and see get drafted in 4 years, especially when nobody wanted to come here when the staff was hired?
50/50 with Michigan.What’s the feeling here? I haven’t been following.
“I will go, Tennessee lands Savion Hiter. I mean to me, it’s still very close. I wouldn’t say Tennessee is some big favorite to land him, I’m just calling my shot. I feel like they’ve got a better chance there than the do with Keys.”yeah but he also added we were running behind on HIter. If he think Hiter is a better chance he must not be optimistic at all about Keys