'26 MS WR Tristen Keys (lsu commit)

[BigOrangeTrain]

Who cares tho

Yeah the shortcomings of our staff are obviously no big deal.

 

[VawlIn]

I would argue that Squirrel White was at least an average SEC WR if not above average. Also, they did take a two star who couldn't get on the field with the previous staff and a three star who couldn't catch a cold under the previous staff and turned them into NFL draft picks with the latter winning the Biletnikoff award. Certainly, there's something to be said for that.

Tillman did nothing but make plays anytime he got on the field under Pruitt. The problem is he was behind 3 other NFL receivers plus Brandon Johnson. As far as Jalin Hyatt goes our fanbase has a lot of revisionist history rhetoric when it comes to the history of Jalin Hyatt’s career here. He was a 4 star recruit that flashed a TON of potential as a true freshman. He just needed to get bigger and had an issue with drops. They didn’t develop him into anything he wasn’t already. He did that all on his own when he spent the entire 2022 preseason on the jugs machine. It wasn’t like he came in as a nobody and just burst onto the scene in 2022. It was obvious he had something and just needed to work on is body and drops, but don’t act like he was just some nobody they turned into a stud. Even then though he’s struggled significantly in the NFL and will more than likely be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is over…just like most veer and shoot receivers end up

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I would argue that Squirrel White was at least an average SEC WR if not above average. Also, they did take a two star who couldn't get on the field with the previous staff and a three star who couldn't catch a cold under the previous staff and turned them into NFL draft picks with the latter winning the Biletnikoff award. Certainly, there's something to be said for that.

I think you are missing the point

 

[VawlIn]

Who cares tho

Because unless you’re Michigan in a fluke year no team has won, or maybe even played for, a CFP National Championship without at least 1 first round pick at receiver

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Tillman did nothing but make plays anytime he got on the field under Pruitt. The problem is he was behind 3 other NFL receivers plus Brandon Johnson. As far as Jalin Hyatt goes our fanbase has a lot of revisionist history rhetoric when it comes to the history of Jalin Hyatt’s career here. He was a 4 star recruit that flashed a TON of potential as a true freshman. He just needed to get bigger and had an issue with drops. They didn’t develop him into anything he wasn’t already. He did that all on his own when he spent the entire 2022 preseason on the jugs machine. It wasn’t like he came in as a nobody and just burst onto the scene in 2022. It was obvious he had something and just needed to work on is body and drops, but don’t act like he was just some nobody they turned into a stud. Even then though he’s struggled significantly in the NFL and will more than likely be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is over…just like most veer and shoot receivers end up

The coaching staff deserves credit for Hyatt and Tillman. You can’t just say the player did it all on their own because they didn’t.

 

[MarcoVol]

Because unless you’re Michigan in a fluke year no team has won, or maybe even played for, a CFP National Championship without at least 1 first round pick at receiver

Maybe….just maybe…..we aren’t quite national title contenders yet after being dog sh*t for 15ish years ?

 

[Orange.]

Who cares tho

The guy is trolling non-stop.

 

[MarcoVol]

Yeah the shortcomings of our staff are obviously no big deal.

It’s not. 30 Ws the last 3 years. Let them build this thing mane

 

[VawlIn]

The coaching staff deserves credit for Hyatt and Tillman. You can’t just say the player did it all on their own because they didn’t.

I can say it, because as a former athlete my coaches had nothing to do with me going to a gym every day in the summer to make 100 jumpers and 100 free throws. Jalin caught 1000 balls a day off the jugs machine during a time where coaches aren’t allowed to instruct players. Now am I saying Pope just say on his hands and did nothing? Absolutely not, but when you look at the lack of development from every other receiver we’ve had and what some departed players have to say about Pope and you know the type of work Hyatt put in on his own in the summer of 2022 it’s just hard for me to give Pope a lot of credit when you look at what little he’s done with everyone but Hyatt. Also I think you’re forgetting Kodi Burns was our receiver coach in year 1 under Heupel. Pope was an analyst. So just as much of an argument could be made for Burns developing Tillman. Especially when you consider he’s the one coaching in the NFL right now and not Kelsey Pope

 

[Orange.]

The first top WR is the hardest to win over. If Keys comes here he will be developed, be a star, be a big deal in the league. Then the “anti-Vols” propaganda run by our rivals is exposed as having always deliberately ignored the jimmies and joes issue as a way to block us from getting the jimmies and joes.

People who want to start an account and basically dog out our head coach to reach 300 posts total are highly suspect. And bruh’s filling up this thread repeating the same point dozens of times (7 times already today) cannot not be suspicious. He sounds really worried that we get Keys and his whole propaganda campaign goes down in flames. He’s posting like he’s in an emergency situation.

 

[AllVol11717]

It’s not. 30 Ws the last 3 years. Let them build this thing mane

It honestly says a lot about CJH that he came in here and raised expectations by year 2.

It is crazy how fast fans forget just how bad we were and for how long.

 

[VawlIn]

Maybe….just maybe…..we aren’t quite national title contenders yet after being dog sh*t for 15ish years ?

I’m not saying we should be competing for national championships this season, but we should be moving in that direction when you look at our roster construction and even when we were bad for the last 15 years we still produced better receivers than we do now. At some point coaching changes are going to have to be made if on field changes don’t happen. I’m thankful for what Heupel has done. Especially considering no one wanted this job, but if the goal of this program is to just not suck and win 8-10 games a year then get absolutely drilled by legitimate title contenders like Georgia and Ohio State then by all means continue to just glaze everything this staff does and leave constructive criticism at the door

 

[DaddyChad]

Tillman did nothing but make plays anytime he got on the field under Pruitt. The problem is he was behind 3 other NFL receivers plus Brandon Johnson. As far as Jalin Hyatt goes our fanbase has a lot of revisionist history rhetoric when it comes to the history of Jalin Hyatt’s career here. He was a 4 star recruit that flashed a TON of potential as a true freshman. He just needed to get bigger and had an issue with drops. They didn’t develop him into anything he wasn’t already. He did that all on his own when he spent the entire 2022 preseason on the jugs machine. It wasn’t like he came in as a nobody and just burst onto the scene in 2022. It was obvious he had something and just needed to work on is body and drops, but don’t act like he was just some nobody they turned into a stud. Even then though he’s struggled significantly in the NFL and will more than likely be out of the league by the time his rookie contract is over…just like most veer and shoot receivers end up

Hyatt was passed on by a lot of teams. He was passed on by Carolina.

 

[JCVol00]

Hyatt was passed on by a lot of teams. He was passed on by Carolina.

Didn’t he have a bunch of off the field issues? I remember someone saying we abt kicked him off the team in spring of 21 or 22

 

[MarcoVol]

I’m not saying we should be competing for national championships this season, but we should be moving in that direction when you look at our roster construction and even when we were bad for the last 15 years we still produced better receivers than we do now. At some point coaching changes are going to have to be made if on field changes don’t happen. I’m thankful for what Heupel has done. Especially considering no one wanted this job, but if the goal of this program is to just not suck and win 8-10 games a year then get absolutely drilled by legitimate title contenders like Georgia and Ohio State then by all means continue to just glaze everything this staff does and leave constructive criticism at the door

I’m not saying that’s the goal. I’m saying he’s been here 4 years.

It took Jim freakin Harbaugh 9 years to win it. 7 to even to start looking like they were moving closer to that after a solid first 2 years.

Heup walked into a mess. Can’t compare it to a lot of other situations bc the portal didn’t exist like that for coaches in the past. 37 players left.

Scholarship reductions.

New AD having to come in and clean up a mess as well.

We kinda lucked out that HH was a superhero (not at all saying Heup isn’t a big reason why, just that HH was unbelievable here - like stupid unbelievable). We won *so* many more games than what the roster should have. Lots of teams have talent at WR and suck. Our defense was wack. No business being in a lot of those games. But HH, man.

Let em build it. Not guaranteeing a NC but I think he absolutely can win it. In time.

 

[Vol8188]

The problem is though this staff is going into year 5 and has yet to bring in a WR and develop him out of HS into just an average SEC WR much less a first round draft pick. The only players that have really flashed any sign of NFL potential were guys that started their collegiate careers with a different staff

Possibly the dumbest argument I’ve heard yet. You’ve spent don’t even recruit your first class by the time you’re hired. Even then those players are only freshman. Players can’t go pro until after 3 seasons.

So your complaint is they’ve not had a first round WR in the last two years?

Retarded

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I can say it, because as a former athlete my coaches had nothing to do with me going to a gym every day in the summer to make 100 jumpers and 100 free throws. Jalin caught 1000 balls a day off the jugs machine during a time where coaches aren’t allowed to instruct players. Now am I saying Pope just say on his hands and did nothing? Absolutely not, but when you look at the lack of development from every other receiver we’ve had and what some departed players have to say about Pope and you know the type of work Hyatt put in on his own in the summer of 2022 it’s just hard for me to give Pope a lot of credit when you look at what little he’s done with everyone but Hyatt. Also I think you’re forgetting Kodi Burns was our receiver coach in year 1 under Heupel. Pope was an analyst. So just as much of an argument could be made for Burns developing Tillman. Especially when you consider he’s the one coaching in the NFL right now and not Kelsey Pope

No you can’t say it because you were not in the locker room with Hyatt. You were not with him during training. Your personal experience is nothing more than anecdotal evidence to support your weak theory. Like McCoy. I am the biggest Willie Martinez skeptic. But he deserves a ton of credit for McCoy.

 

[vol9799]

The problem is though this staff is going into year 5 and has yet to bring in a WR and develop him out of HS into just an average SEC WR much less a first round draft pick. The only players that have really flashed any sign of NFL potential were guys that started their collegiate careers with a different staff

WR coaching is a totally different potential issue than the system.

Some of our offensive coaching staff is as of yet unproven at this level. Will know a lot more as this year unfolds.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I’m not saying we should be competing for national championships this season, but we should be moving in that direction when you look at our roster construction and even when we were bad for the last 15 years we still produced better receivers than we do now. At some point coaching changes are going to have to be made if on field changes don’t happen. I’m thankful for what Heupel has done. Especially considering no one wanted this job, but if the goal of this program is to just not suck and win 8-10 games a year then get absolutely drilled by legitimate title contenders like Georgia and Ohio State then by all means continue to just glaze everything this staff does and leave constructive criticism at the door

How many games have we won under Heupel compared to the previous coaches?

 

[jcvols24]

In my opinion, the teams that have ran veer and shoot are teams that have to rely on 3 star players, thus making a successful transition to the nfl more of a challenge. You get a 5 star with the talent and drive to succeed, and he will. Be it veer n shoot, spread, pro style, whatever. You could argue that getting the lesser talented guys noticed enough that the nfl looks their way is a victory unto itself. That's what Heupel's system will do. Get you noticed. These guys have played football their entire life, 4 years of it playing a different system isn't going to erase their knowledge they have learned, or will learn.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

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[JCVol00]

I mean Jalin Hyatt himself said we ran only 11 plays, there’s a reason that our offense is only great when we run tempo. As for Hyatt, there’s a reason why his college success hasn’t translated, because all he has is his speed. Tillman so far, and will continue to be, the better nfl wr because he is a better route runner, catcher, size, etc

 

[B81]

The first top WR is the hardest to win over. If Keys comes here he will be developed, be a star, be a big deal in the league. Then the “anti-Vols” propaganda run by our rivals is exposed as having always deliberately ignored the jimmies and joes issue as a way to block us from getting the jimmies and joes.

People who want to start an account and basically dog out our head coach to reach 300 posts total are highly suspect. And bruh’s filling up this thread repeating the same point dozens of times (7 times already today) cannot not be suspicious. He sounds really worried that we get Keys and his whole propaganda campaign goes down in flames. He’s posting like he’s in an emergency situation.

Lets hope Matthews is the fist, and Keys is the second.

 

[Vol8188]

I mean Jalin Hyatt himself said we ran only 11 plays, there’s a reason that our offense is only great when we run tempo. As for Hyatt, there’s a reason why his college success hasn’t translated, because all he has is his speed. Tillman so far, and will continue to be, the better nfl wr because he is a better route runner, catcher, size, etc

Why’s that bad that we only have 11 plays?

Mike Leach only had 10.

 

[B81]

I can say it, because as a former athlete my coaches had nothing to do with me going to a gym every day in the summer to make 100 jumpers and 100 free throws. Jalin caught 1000 balls a day off the jugs machine during a time where coaches aren’t allowed to instruct players. Now am I saying Pope just say on his hands and did nothing? Absolutely not, but when you look at the lack of development from every other receiver we’ve had and what some departed players have to say about Pope and you know the type of work Hyatt put in on his own in the summer of 2022 it’s just hard for me to give Pope a lot of credit when you look at what little he’s done with everyone but Hyatt. Also I think you’re forgetting Kodi Burns was our receiver coach in year 1 under Heupel. Pope was an analyst. So just as much of an argument could be made for Burns developing Tillman. Especially when you consider he’s the one coaching in the NFL right now and not Kelsey Pope

I remember seeing an interview where Hyatt gave the credit for the extra work on the jugs machine to his coach. Can’t remember which off the two coaches it was, but he said that the wr coach gave him a workout that consisted of 10k catches in the off season after he asked what he needed to do to get better/ to the next level.