Mr. Speaker, answer the question

[turbovol]

A former Republican talks about today's alarming GOP.

 

[BowlBrother85]

2. Recounts..true recounts were don3le by the time electors were selected.....but and this leads to

That is the most important difference between Hawaii in 1960 and Georgia in 2020 ... and it's why Mike Pence did not have the right to reject votes from legally chosen sets of electors on January 6, 2021. Also, the Supreme Court had declined to become involved in December. There was no path to victory for Trump/Pence on January 6, 2021. It was over. Trump just couldn't come to grips with defeat.

 

[turbovol]

Are you talking about Jan 6 or the plot to get Trump removed from office almost from the day he began?

BTW - just saw that Mark Meadows, his Chief of Staff supposedly had been an informant for the FBI and was wearing a wire around Trump while still in office. If true, it is difficult to see how the genie ever goes back in the bottle again.

MAGA people don't really get it, do you? You seem not to understand, or care, that the gangster was THE most corrupt and dishonest person ever to occupy the White House. He thought he above the law. He thought that everyone in government should be in service to him and not the country.

This is why MAGA is MAGA.

As for your supposed info about Meadows, what crazy right-wing source came up with that one? It's surely more bull$****.

 

[turbovol]

Biden showered with his daughter and Michelle is a dude.

Stop making stupid comments, dude.

 

[whodeycin85]

That is the most important difference between Hawaii in 1960 and Georgia in 2020 ... and it's why Mike Pence did not have the right to reject votes from legally chosen sets of electors on January 6, 2021. Also, the Supreme Court had declined to become involved in December. There was no path to victory for Trump/Pence on January 6, 2021. It was over. Trump just couldn't come to grips with defeat.

there were pending cases that would have triggered another recount or audit... that makes the recount point moot.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Stop making stupid comments, dude.

Make me.

Did you shower with your dad as a child? Think back to 2018.

Rube

 

[hog88]

Wrong .... It didn't work because Mike Pence wouldn't play ball. That's not an institutional control. To this day, Donald Trump continues to insist that the alternate elector scheme was a viable path to victory for him and Pence.

It didn't work because the system worked and people did their duty. You're looking at it all wrong.

 

[hog88]

Are you talking about Jan 6 or the plot to get Trump removed from office almost from the day he began?

BTW - just saw that Mark Meadows, his Chief of Staff supposedly had been an informant for the FBI and was wearing a wire around Trump while still in office. If true, it is difficult to see how the genie ever goes back in the bottle again.

I'm just talking about 1/6 and screwing with babbling bertha.

I have not seen the report about Meadows wearing a wire for the FBI. If that is indeed true our system of government is doomed. There is no coming back from that without a complete dismantling of the FBI.

 

[BowlBrother85]

there were pending cases that would have triggered another recount or audit... that makes the recount point moot.

1) But there was not a recount pending as of January 6th.

2) Pence couldn't just assume that there ever would be another recount.

3) If that's how it worked, then any presidential candidate could delay the certification of the electoral college vote just by continuing to file law suits.

 

[Vol since 77]

Hell, what Obama did to the U.S. population with his ridiculous healthcare plan has hurt this nation FAR worse in tangible ways than however Donny touched some people in their feelz.

Agree and the news just reported that "obamacare will be going up in price in 2024". I was warned by someone in the healthcare field the past 40 years, before it ever passed legislation, that if it passed it would screw up the industry really badly going forward. That's exactly what has happened and will continue.

 

[Vol since 77]

A former Republican talks about today's alarming GOP.

Lmao, anyone bringing the lincoln project trash in any thread is most definitely a RUBE

 

[hog88]

Agree and the news just reported that "obamacare will be going up in price in 2024". I was warned by someone in the healthcare field the past 40 years, before it ever passed legislation, that if it passed it would screw up the industry really badly going forward. That's exactly what has happened and will continue.

Obamacare was designed to fail which would force the government to step in and set up a single payer universal system.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Lmao, anyone bringing the lincoln project trash in any thread is most definitely a RUBE

He still thinks it’s R Vs D and thinks a RINO is a zoo animal.

 

[whodeycin85]

1) But there was not a recount pending as of January 6th.

2) Pence couldn't just assume that there ever would be another recount.

3) If that's how it worked, then any presidential candidate could delay the certification of the electoral college vote just by continuing to file law suits.

There were lawsuits pending that if won would have triggered recounts.
Pence had the right to do that with UNANIMOUS APPROVAL of Congress... which he wouldn't get.

If your still struggling to follow then have a good day.

 

[Gandalf]

I'm just talking about 1/6 and screwing with babbling bertha.

I have not seen the report about Meadows wearing a wire for the FBI. If that is indeed true our system of government is doomed. There is no coming back from that without a complete dismantling of the FBI.

I was being facecious

I dont know if the Meadows item is real or just rumored - actually, just read that that had been retracted by the congressional sources. Glad to hear that, irrespective of who is in the white house.

 

[BowlBrother85]

There were lawsuits pending that if won would have triggered recounts.
Pence had the right to do that with UNANIMOUS APPROVAL of Congress... which he wouldn't get.

If your still struggling to follow then have a good day.

But there were no recounts pending as of January 6th .... and Pence couldn't just assume that there ever would be.

On January 6, 2021, Mike Pence did not have the authority to reject votes from slates of electors who had been lawfully chosen. If such a strategy was viable, then no presidential election would ever be certified. The losing candidate could just keep filing law suits, and claim that "Well, we might get another recount if .... "

You do this every time. You are very stubborn about this.

 

[whodeycin85]

But there were no recounts pending as of January 6th .... and Pence couldn't just assume that there ever would be.

On January 6, 2021, Mike Pence did not have the authority to reject votes from slates of electors who had been lawfully chosen. If such a strategy was plausible, then no presidential election would ever be certified. The losing candidate could just keep filing law suits.

You do this every time. You are very stubborn about this.

Pearson vs Kemp was not finally despised took Jan 11th. That alleged fraud and vote dilution ..

Wood v raffenberger didn't finalize till Feb... motion fur expedited trial wasn't till Jan 19th..

Now I'm sure you'll dispute there merits of the cases or of thru wood trigger recounts.... facts are there were pending cases...
Leave your feels at home and use logic...
1. Election was challenged
2. Cases were pending
3. Pence made the right choice. Evidence was not there to reject electors.
4. Biden was elected.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Pearson vs Kemp was not finally despised took Jan 11th. That alleged fraud and vote dilution ..

Wood v raffenberger didn't finalize till Feb... motion fur expedited trial wasn't till Jan 19th..

Now I'm sure you'll dispute there merits of the cases or of thru wood trigger recounts.... facts are there were pending cases...
Leave your feels at home and use logic...
1. Election was challenged
2. Cases were pending
3. Pence made the right choice. Evidence was not there to reject electors.
4. Biden was elected.

1) I'm not talking about pending cases.

2) I'm saying that there were no pending recounts, and as of January 6th, Mike Pence could not assume that there would be any more recounts in the future. That would mark a huge conflict of interest.

3) As of that day, those slates of electors had been legally selected. Pence was legally bound to include them in the formal certification of the electoral college vote.

4) If a state's outcome could not be certified until every law suit had been settled, then what would stop someone from continuously delaying it's certification with one law suit after another? NOTHING.

5) You are right that Pence did the right thing. He had no legal basis to handle it any other way.

6) You are stubborn as a mule. I have already explained this to you many times. You keep bringing it up.

 

[whodeycin85]

1) I'm not talking about pending cases.

2) I'm saying that there were no pending recounts, and as of January 6th, Mike Pence could not assume that there would be any more recounts in the future. That would mark a huge conflict of interest.

3) As of that day, those slates of electors had been legally selected. Pence was legally bound to include them in the formal certification of the electoral college vote.

4) If a state's outcome could not be certified until every law suit had been settled, then what would stop someone from continuously delaying it's certification with one law suit after another? NOTHING.

5) You are right that Pence did the right thing. He had no legal basis to handle it any other way.

6) You are stubborn as a mule. I have already explained this to you many times. You keep bringing it up.

so you agree there were pending cases regarding possible fraud. Had those cases been won, RECOUNTS would have happened. But because those cases were longshots and not settled Pence didn't have the evidence to reject them like Nixon did. He had the authority with UNANIMOUS APPROVAL on Congress to do so. So yes here had the ability to reject them just as Nixon did.... I'm glad Pence did the right thing... to do anything else without 100% proof would be a disaster.. and I'm stubborn yes

 

[BowlBrother85]

so you agree there were pending cases regarding possible fraud. Had those cases been won, RECOUNTS would have happened. But because those cases were longshots and not settled Pence didn't have the evidence to reject them like Nixon did. He had the authority with UNANIMOUS APPROVAL on Congress to do so. So yes here had the ability to reject them just as Nixon did.... I'm glad Pence did the right thing... to do anything else without 100% proof would be a disaster.. and I'm stubborn yes

... but on January 6, 2021, Mike Pence could not just assume that another recount would be triggered. He had to include the votes from the slates of electors who had already been lawfully chosen. Had he handled it any other way, it would have been a massive conflict of interest. Mike Pence did not have the authority to cast aside those electoral college votes.

Once again, if what you are saying was viable, then what would stop a losing presidential candidate from continuously delaying certification with never-ending law suits? NOTHING.

Have you noticed how none of your fellow right-wing buddies are backing you on this? You are simply wrong.

 

[whodeycin85]

... but on January 6, 2021, Mike Pence could not just assume that another recount would be triggered. He had to include the votes from the slates of electors who had already been lawfully chosen. Had he handled it any other way, it would have been a massive conflict of interest. Mike Pence did not have the authority to cast aside those electoral college votes.

Once again, if what you are saying was viable, then what would stop a losing presidential candidate from continuously delaying certification with never-ending law suits? NOTHING.

Have you noticed how none of your fellow right-wing buddies are backing you on this? You are simply wrong.

Good God....yes the evidence wasn't there........but The ability for Pence to reject then was...much like having the ability to kill a person in self defense, but not doing so because it's could be questionable. Ability vs action...he could have.. but correctly didn't..... that why there Dems priority was to make it ceremonial....if he didn't have that ability then there was no need to change it. I think most on here get tired of your responses ( I did as will) but I'm bored and hooked up for treatment so you get me...

 

[BowlBrother85]

Good God....yes the evidence wasn't there........but The ability for Pence to reject then was...much like having the ability to kill a person in self defense, but not doing so because it's could be questionable. Ability vs action...he could have.. but correctly didn't..... that why there Dems priority was to make it ceremonial....if he didn't have that ability then there was no need to change it. I think most on here get tired of your responses ( I did as will) but I'm bored and hooked up for treatment so you get me...

No. The ability was not there.

There were no more vote counts scheduled, and those slates of electors had been lawfully chosen.

With those sets of facts, the role of the Vice President is strictly one of formal procedure during the certification of the electoral college vote. You don't know what you are talking, and you are being incredibly stubborn about it.

If Al Gore could have delayed the certification of Florida in January of 2001, simply by filing another law suit, don't you think he would have? This is so damn stupid.

 

[whodeycin85]

No. The ability was not there.

There were no more vote counts scheduled, and those slates of electors had been lawfully chosen.

With those sets of facts, the role of the Vice President is strictly one of formal procedure during the certification of the electoral college vote. You don't know what you are talking, and you are being incredibly stubborn about it.

If Al Gore could have delayed the certification of Florida in January of 2001, simply by filing another law suit, don't you think he would have? This is so damn stupid.

Stupid is literally arguing that VP Nixon could reject electors not no other Vp is allowed....we can disagree

 

[BowlBrother85]

Stupid is literally arguing that VP Nixon could reject electors not no other Vp is allowed....we can disagree

I have already shown you the differences between Hawaii in 1960 and Georgia in 2020.

The biggest one being that in Hawaii in 1960 there was still a recount pending .... but that was not the case anywhere in January of 2021. There had already been 2 recounts in Georgia. You are wrong, and this is the 3rd or 4th time I have explained why. You are stubborn beyond belief.

And once again, if Al Gore had the power to not count Florida in January of 2001 .... then why didn't he?

 

[whodeycin85]

I have already shown you the differences between Hawaii in 1960 and Georgia in 2020.

The biggest one being that in Hawaii in 1960 there was still a recount pending .... but that was not the case anywhere in January of 2021. There had already 2 be recounts in Georgia. You are wrong, and this is the 3rd or 4th time I have explained why. You are stubborn beyond belief.

This is why people don't respond with you... you literally refuse to think you may be wrong.....simply put if he didn't have the power the rules didn't need to be changed. The lawsuits pending would have triggered your precious recounts.
I'm done arguing about your opinion.