Motion to nuke AJ threads

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Swan Ronson

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Mods-

I move that any/all/new/some/whatever of the AJ threads are either nuked to moved to another forum (Off-Topic Forum possibly?) I am all for redundant offseason threads, but the point of ridiculousness passed about a month ago.

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This is actually a topic currently being discussed among mods. We haven't agreed on a solution but are considering options.

Thanks.
 
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Good deal. Thanks for the quick reply.

Thanks for all the work you put into the site, BTW. Without a doubt the best forum for college football/VolNation.
 
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Freak said:
This is actually a topic currently being discussed among mods. We haven't agreed on a solution but are considering options.

Thanks.
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I'd like to make a motion to ban posters who continue to complain about a thread rather than just use the ignore thread option. I don't understand their pathological need to read every thread, especially when the thread title makes it clear it's not a subject they have any interest in discussing.
 
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Weezer said:
I'd like to make a motion to ban posters who continue to complain about a thread rather than just use the ignore thread option. I don't understand their pathological need to read every thread, especially when the thread title makes it clear it's not a subject they have any interest in discussing.
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First can we nuke this thread?
 
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Weezer said:
I'd like to make a motion to ban posters who continue to complain about a thread rather than just use the ignore thread option. I don't understand their pathological need to read every thread, especially when the thread title makes it clear it's not a subject they have any interest in discussing.
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I don't understand the concept either. I can't imagine anyone approves of every single thread on here. I know I don't.
 
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Like it or not the AJ story is a pretty big one. There's no way you can really stop them until after the matter is resolved. it's a crappy situation, but it's a major story. Would be disappointing if they were deleted. I ignore them typically, but I like to see when things are updated.
 
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I have another motion. From hence forth threads in the football forum should be titled with a brief summary of what the thread is actually about. Ambiguous thread titles can leave you feeling like you've just wasted a minute of your time, and in exreme cases like your IQ just dropped 10 points.
 
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volfanbill said:
Like it or not the AJ story is a pretty big one. There's no way you can really stop them until after the matter is resolved. it's a crappy situation, but it's a major story. Would be disappointing if they were deleted. I ignore them typically, but I like to see when things are updated.
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I don't think any mod has argued that we shouldn't be talking about the AJ story here on VN. The question is what to do about the inevitable dissolution of every discussion about it into an endless back and forth about rape allegations in general. Nobody wants to censor discussion about a big topic, but we don't need five different rape threads going at once on the main board either. There's no great way to handle it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I don't think any mod has argued that we shouldn't be talking about the AJ story here on VN. The question is what to do about the inevitable dissolution of every discussion about it into an endless back and forth about rape allegations in general. Nobody wants to censor discussion about a big topic, but we don't need five different rape threads going at once on the main board either. There's no great way to handle it.
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as far as posting threads go, it's no different than the new OC hire, or the exodus of a handful of players. The significance of the subject of the threads is more important, and that is bothersome to many. But you, as mods, are not responsible for what threads people click on. If they don't want to see the trainwreck those threads become, they simply don't have to click. There used to be a news only thread and that might be the best answer. Literally delete every single post made in the news only thread that doesn't provide a link or factual information. Then let the regular threads work as they do and merge as necessary. I'm not saying mod work is easy, it's definitely not. But just because the significance of the AJ situation is much more serious than just football, it doesn't mean the threads about them should be treated all that differently.
 
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AJ isn't part of the Tennessee football team anymore. If I had a vote it would be to move all discussion to either the Sports Forum or the Politics Forum
 
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volfanbill said:
as far as posting threads go, it's no different than the new OC hire, or the exodus of a handful of players. The significance of the subject of the threads is more important, and that is bothersome to many. But you, as mods, are not responsible for what threads people click on. If they don't want to see the trainwreck those threads become, they simply don't have to click. There used to be a news only thread and that might be the best answer. Literally delete every single post made in the news only thread that doesn't provide a link or factual information. Then let the regular threads work as they do and merge as necessary. I'm not saying mod work is easy, it's definitely not. But just because the significance of the AJ situation is much more serious than just football, it doesn't mean the threads about them should be treated all that differently.
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It has nothing to do with the seriousness of the topic. It has to do with the fact that 90 percent of every AJ thread devolves into a poop-slinging contest about whether drunk girls are asking for it. We have politics quarantined off in a subthread for a reason.

The "one giant mega merge thread" approach isn't an ideal solution but it's probably the most practical. In theory I like the idea of a news-and-AJ-related-only thread, but that's a giant headache for moderators. You would not believe the number of reports that the "news only" threads generate. And every one of us gets an email every time.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It has nothing to do with the seriousness of the topic. It has to do with the fact that 90 percent of every AJ thread devolves into a poop-slinging contest about whether drunk girls are asking for it. We have politics quarantined off in a subthread for a reason.

The "one giant mega merge thread" approach isn't an ideal solution but it's probably the most practical. In theory I like the idea of a news-and-AJ-related-only thread, but that's a giant headache for moderators. You would not believe the number of reports that the "news only" threads generate. And every one of us gets an email every time.
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Then again, it's not your fault people choose to click on those threads. It's the same principle of every OC thread off shooting into DeBord being old and out of touch with the game. Which in turns off shoots into a NegaVols vs Sunshine Pumper argument (which almost every FF thread turns into). I think you're making too big a deal about nothing. Just about every thread here derails.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It has nothing to do with the seriousness of the topic. It has to do with the fact that 90 percent of every AJ thread devolves into a poop-slinging contest about whether drunk girls are asking for it. We have politics quarantined off in a subthread for a reason.

The "one giant mega merge thread" approach isn't an ideal solution but it's probably the most practical. In theory I like the idea of a news-and-AJ-related-only thread, but that's a giant headache for moderators. You would not believe the number of reports that the "news only" threads generate. And every one of us gets an email every time.
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Seems like certain keywords could be automatically be merged through the ACP, much like certain text can automatically be converted to *****. It's been a while since I was an admin (different site), but I can't remember if auto-merging was an option.
 
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volfanbill said:
Then again, it's not your fault people choose to click on those threads. It's the same principle of every OC thread off shooting into DeBord being old and out of touch with the game. Which in turns off shoots into a NegaVols vs Sunshine Pumper argument (which almost every FF thread turns into). I think you're making too big a deal about nothing. Just about every thread here derails.
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Simply "derailing" is not the issue. The issue is that in the absence of news -- of which there has been almost none -- every thread about AJ Johnson has turned into page after page of people endlessly arguing about rape. Not about AJ Johnson or Michael Williams; about women and rape allegations in general. Many people think that's inappropriate on a message board about Tennessee football.

Thanks for your input.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Simply "derailing" is not the issue. The issue is that in the absence of news -- of which there has been almost none -- every thread about AJ Johnson has turned into page after page of people endlessly arguing about rape. Not about AJ Johnson or Michael Williams; about women and rape allegations in general. Many people think that's inappropriate on a message board about Tennessee football.

Thanks for your input.
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Verc, as a mod, you are well aware that this MB is about a lot more than Tennessee football.

It could be argued that the AJ threads belong in a different forum. Then again, it could be argued that many threads are in the wrong forum. Do you cave to everyone who complains and says this thread or that thread doesn't belong here? That sets a dangerous precedent.

Like it or not, when this case is over, the national leads will be sure to stress "Former Tennessee Vols found...." The word former will be overlooked. What will be keyed on is "Tennessee Vols". So I think reasonable, rational discussion of the case does have a place on this MB. The problem, though you seem to disagree, is the threads do get derailed by posters who refuse to acknowledge we don't know what the truth is yet. Some posters feel the need to proclaim guilt or innocence in pursuit of an agenda.

And as I've said previously, if you find a threads subject matter to your disliking, don't click on the thread and use the tools Freak has made readily available to put the thread on ignore. You don't need to fix a problem that already has a solution. It shouldn't be the concern of the mods if users are too lazy to use those tools. That's on the users themselves. If they don't like that answer, maybe VN just isn't for them.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Simply "derailing" is not the issue. The issue is that in the absence of news -- of which there has been almost none -- every thread about AJ Johnson has turned into page after page of people endlessly arguing about rape. Not about AJ Johnson or Michael Williams; about women and rape allegations in general. Many people think that's inappropriate on a message board about Tennessee football.

Thanks for your input.
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I understand that people find it inappropriate. That's their problem for not having the common sense to avoid clicking on those threads. If they haven't figured out where those threads are going to wind up by page 4, it's on them, not mods or Freak. Don't take this too personally, but pre Mod Verc would not only agree with what I just said, he would have typed it himself (with much bigger and eloquent words nonetheless).
 
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volfanbill said:
I understand that people find it inappropriate. That's their problem for not having the common sense to avoid clicking on those threads. If they haven't figured out where those threads are going to wind up by page 4, it's on them, not mods or Freak. Don't take this too personally, but pre Mod Verc would not only agree with what I just said, he would have typed it himself (with much bigger and eloquent words nonetheless).
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Pre-mod Verc would've seen the title of this thread, snickered, then poured a Guinness and clicked on the old pics forum.

In the end, this is being treated like any other topic where similar threads end up merged. Frankly, the news is going to move so slowly on this that it will all be an afterthought until either a deal gets cut or the trial starts.
 
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GAVol said:
Pre-mod Verc would've seen the title of this thread, snickered, then poured a Guinness and clicked on the old pics forum.

In the end, this is being treated like any other topic where similar threads end up merged. Frankly, the news is going to move so slowly on this that it will all be an afterthought until either a deal gets cut or the trial starts.
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I almost included a Guinness keg comment actually.
 
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volfanbill said:
I understand that people find it inappropriate. That's their problem for not having the common sense to avoid clicking on those threads. If they haven't figured out where those threads are going to wind up by page 4, it's on them, not mods or Freak. Don't take this too personally, but pre Mod Verc would not only agree with what I just said, he would have typed it himself (with much bigger and eloquent words nonetheless).
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Pre-mod Verc is no different than post-mod Verc. Hell, I barely do any moderating as it is. I certainly haven't been corrupted by the moderating process here on VN, which is so casual and relaxed that it barely exists.

I find the "girls are lying whores" content in those threads repellent enough that I would always have supported getting it the hell off the main board, and I would have been appalled if the mods hadn't done anything about it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Pre-mod Verc is no different than post-mod Verc. Hell, I barely do any moderating as it is. I certainly haven't been corrupted by the moderating process here on VN, which is so casual and relaxed that it barely exists.

I find the "girls are lying whores" content in those threads repellent enough that I would always have supported getting it the hell off the main board, and I would have been appalled if the mods hadn't done anything about it.
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Anyone who has posted flat out that the girl is a lying whore is an absolute moron, but there's a difference in making such a definitive statement and suggesting it's possible her allegations are false. The possibility exists that she is indeed lying.

But just as offensive should be anyone claiming AJ is a violent rapist. He might be just that, but to state it definitively without a trial or proof(of which we the public have seen none) is just as moronic as calling the girl a lying whore.

The threads themselves aren't offensive. It's the jackholes who hijack the threads claiming false facts that are offensive. And I stick by the assertion that anyone offended by the threads to the point that they feel the need to complain just need to use the Ignore Thread function. The tools already exist to fix the problem, some posters just don't want to use them. They'd rather tthrow a tantrum and push their own agenda on everyone else.
 
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