Most Unreasonable Fans in the SEC.

[Behr]

I can't keep up with the stupidity.

Fact. If you think the best thing for this program is to fire Butch, right now, you're nuts. Spin it anyway you want, its dumb.

 

[SayNoToJorts]

The only way Butch is going anywhere is if he leaves Tennessee on his own. Sorry to break it to you guys. There is not an AD on this planet that would fire him this year. You better pray he doesn't leave because if he does we are royally effed

 

[MWAVolfan]

Did I see someone in this thread suggest we fire our coach because other team's fans don't think highly of him?

You can't make this stuff up.

Unfortunately, "not thinking highly" of him doesn't mean they fear and hate him but rather it means they have no respect for him. I mean don't get me wrong there's about 100 things on the list of reason to fire him before you get to this one.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Ok. Fire jones after 10-3 season.
Who could we get?
Lsu open
Texas open
ND open
FS maybe
(Those above are all better jobs)
Oregon maybe
Lousivile maybe

(Would be competing with them too)
Who would u like to bring in??

Im butch apologist, BUT THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE

Florida State kept Bobby Bowden around for an eternity...Jimbo is safe with a recent NC and Heisman Winner.

Texas has mad oil loot to throw at anyone and an average conference to dominate.

Norte Dame is a tough sale with the academic standards to get in...Butch would be great there with his love of Tradition and his ability to force the academic high standards.

LSU has a ton to offer....but has Saban yearly along with the toughest side of the SEC to compete with.

Oregon is back to where they've been for most of their history...irrelevant in the grand scheme of college football.

Louisville is a hemroid type school...it flares up from time to time to be noticed then goes back down and is not an issue.

With that said...Butch has built this back to a great looking attractive offer. SEC former powerhouse, East easy division, weak group of East Division HC's, stable of really strong athletes, and great athletic facilities. If this school would put up the money then it could drop Ron Zook and find its Urban Meyer.

Or Butch hires superior OL, S&C, DB, OC coaches and shows he is all in on taking his career and this program to the next level. If we make it to the Sugar Bowl...and he wins it would be an even better start.

 

[sameolvol]

There is no hypocrisy involved. Some people want change and speak out, completely justified. However, those who fear change inevitably begin to attack those who speak out, causing retaliation. It's simple human nature when a set group of people start rocking the boat, within a herd. If enough people join the cause, change will come. There is no stopping it.

Alrighty then. Thanks for reiterating how fruitless it is to argue with lunatics.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I'll 2nd the Gruden question. Could we have really gotten him by any realistic expectation?

I could have bought a Tesla last year but I'd live in a box with no yard and eat peanut butter on unenrichened bleached white bread.

Butch's stubbornly tendencies could simply be amplified by issues virtually no HC in America would be able to deal with.

I'm not making up my mind off a quick skim of that post, but I've had my concerns and I'll keep looking.

 

[NashVol11]

For me, it's pretty binary: is our coach capable of ending our SEC Title drought, or not? For the first couple of years, sure, maybe you don't really know. But once you do know...if you know he can do it, great, that's perfect. If you know he can't, there's no point in wasting time watching him fail to do it. That's where I am.

I get that some here are still in the "we don't know yet" camp, but I would ask, what will it take for you to know? He's had 4 years, his recruits, great recruiting classes, a loaded team...and we still didn't even come close to winning the SEC. We didn't even win the much weaker division of the SEC; we went 5-3 in conference. What makes him an SEC champion-level coach?

 

[wearcd]

The top three have to be Auburn, Tenn and LSU. Because they have won a NC in the sort of recent past (1998) they think a national championship is their birthright. I look at the fans at LSU and Auburn and my reaction to their firing coaches is " what a bunch of 3 year olds" and I am sure that is what other people think of the mighty Vol fan base. Leaving at halftime in the Mo. game is an indictment of how fickle our fans are. SEC east champs or bust. Never mind the most injuries I have seen in 60 years of watching football- if we dont win the east, fire Butch. What utter nonsense. Those who left saturday should be ashamed, IMO.

Did it cross your mind that some fans left because they were cold? We stayed until 3 minutes into the 3rd quarter, and my young son said he was ready to go because of the temps. Same with the family behind us. I didn't hear anybody say anything bad about the team and leave in a huff. A lot of people didn't even go because of the weather, and were giving away tickets.

 

[MemphisVol77]

I can't keep up with the stupidity.

Fact. If you think the best thing for this program is to fire Butch, right now, you're nuts. Spin it anyway you want, its dumb.

%100 agreed. For once if we do make a change I'd like to have our replacement hired first as well.

 

[Behr]

The only way Butch is going anywhere is if he leaves Tennessee on his own. Sorry to break it to you guys. There is not an AD on this planet that would fire him this year. You better pray he doesn't leave because if he does we are royally effed

Not one! Especially with season not even being over yet. Alabama seems to be the school everyone wants to model themselves after, guarantee they don't replace their HC in the same exact situation. Not them, not anyone.

 

[Behr]

%100 agreed. For once if we do make a change I'd like to have our replacement hired first as well.

And the new AD replacement.

How can anyone not get it? You would think after the last two times, they would have learned. Oh my goodness, it's just mind boggling.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I can't keep up with the stupidity.

Fact. If you think the best thing for this program is to fire Butch, right now, you're nuts. Spin it anyway you want, its dumb.

Reality is CBJ has made some coaching blunders. He's also corrected coaching blunders from the past. His record is not what we all wanted this year but is an improvement over last year.


If I'm running the business known as Tennessee Football I'm discussing with CBJ those previous blunders and corrections. I'm discussing the plans for future growth. Thinking about a replacement isn't on my radar.
The only people talking replacement have never run a business and have no idea what PNL means.
It's easy to say "we need someone knew" when you don't have to worry where the money comes from.

 

[volfannbama]

Florida State kept Bobby Bowden around for an eternity...Jimbo is safe with a recent NC and Heisman Winner.

LSU has a ton to offer....but has Saban yearly along with the toughest side of the SEC to compete .

Dont think anyone is saying Jimbo is gonna be fired, but rather he will leave for LSU. I heard a report where they have already offered him the job.

 

[NashVol11]

I can't keep up with the stupidity.

Fact. If you think the best thing for this program is to fire Butch, right now, you're nuts. Spin it anyway you want, its dumb.

I don't think you know what "fact" means

 

[volfannbama]

I'll 2nd the Gruden question. Could we have really gotten him by any realistic expectation?

I could have bought a Tesla last year but I'd live in a box with no yard and eat peanut butter on unenrichened bleached white bread.

Butch's stubbornly tendencies could simply be amplified by issues virtually no HC in America would be able to deal with.

I'm not making up my mind off a quick skim of that post, but I've had my concerns and I'll keep looking.

Lots of people commented on Sabans stubborn tendencies as well. Then he hired Kiffen, a change from his regular thinking and has taken that team to a new level. Not comparing the two, but rather commonalities amoung coaches.

 

[MWAVolfan]

After listening to comments made by Butch recently, I believe in my heart that when Butch took this job he honestly believed that Tennessee fans would be satisfied with 9 win seasons he though that UT fans would feel like this was "being back". He though that we were so beat down because of Dooley that his mediocre coaching would be appreciated. He has such a low opinion of Tennessee fans that this was his plan all along. And so many posters on this board prove him right. He thinks we should kiss his @ss for going to bowl games along ND aging winNing records. That he's the greatest thing we could get.

 

[volfannbama]

Living in Alabama and having spent time in really all regions of SEC country and reading the top forums the past couple weeks from volnation..

I have concluded that the Tennessee fanbase is currently the most unreasonable fanbase in the country.

Congratulations all you champions of life.

 

[volfannbama]

After listening to comments made by Butch recently, I believe in my heart that when Butch took this job he honestly believed that Tennessee fans would be satisfied with 9 win seasons he though that UT fans would feel like this was "being back". He though that we were so beat down because of Dooley that his mediocre coaching would be appreciated. He has such a low opinion of Tennessee fans that this was his plan all along. And so many posters on this board prove him right. He thinks we should kiss his @ss for going to bowl games along ND aging winNing records. That he's the greatest thing we could get.

Is kiss his @ss the same thing as appreciate the job he has done and not demand he be fired?

 

[Behr]

I don't think you know what "fact" means

I know you don't.

 

[tvolsfan]

Who ya got man?

Not much. That's why I hope we make a change, even if it's not realistic this year.

 

[MemphisVol77]

For me, it's pretty binary: is our coach capable of ending our SEC Title drought, or not? For the first couple of years, sure, maybe you don't really know. But once you do know...if you know he can do it, great, that's perfect. If you know he can't, there's no point in wasting time watching him fail to do it. That's where I am.

I get that some here are still in the "we don't know yet" camp, but I would ask, what will it take for you to know? He's had 4 years, his recruits, great recruiting classes, a loaded team...and we still didn't even come close to winning the SEC. We didn't even win the much weaker division of the SEC. What makes him an SEC champion-level coach?

What's your take on DeBord and the D? I honestly want to know if Bama could have survived that kind of attrition were dealing with. Because it's not over, we get Oklahoma they could easily curb stomp us Bama style.

The stage is set for yet another VolNation meltdown if we go sugar.

We salvaged our class flipping Nigel Warrior,Tyler Byrd, Kongbo etc last year. Do the Boosters and Bagmen green light helping our 2017 commits take a jump?

We lose household names off team 120 going into next year but I honestly think both sides of the ball we could get better.

I haven't crunched any numbers yet, but 11 men on the field at a time our average composite start rating isn't hurting too bad. Not enough can be said about continuity with the 2 deep and team chemistry.

Maybe Butch had some changes in mind and was gonna try it some new ideas I just said its looking like he's too stubborn for.

So you do feel there is enough complete data on the table for the binary decision?

Even if so, it won't be this year.

 

[tvolsfan]

Did I see someone in this thread suggest we fire our coach because other team's fans don't think highly of him?

You can't make this stuff up.

I didn't say we should fire him because fans of other teams don't think highly of him. I'm said Butch Jones is not held in very high regard by fans of other teams, which shows that Tennessee fans who feel that way aren't exactly unreasonable.

 

[Behr]

Reality is CBJ has made some coaching blunders. He's also corrected coaching blunders from the past. His record is not what we all wanted this year but is an improvement over last year.


If I'm running the business known as Tennessee Football I'm discussing with CBJ those previous blunders and corrections. I'm discussing the plans for future growth. Thinking about a replacement isn't on my radar.
The only people talking replacement have never run a business and have no idea what PNL means.
It's easy to say "we need someone knew" when you don't have to worry where the money comes from.

And hold no accountability, whatsoever.

*new

 

[NashVol11]

I know you don't.

Ok. Only one of us is calling his personal opinion a "fact"

 

[NashVol11]

I didn't say we should fire him because fans of other teams don't think highly of him. I'm said Butch Jones is not held in very high regard by fans of other teams, which shows that Tennessee fans who feel that way aren't exactly unreasonable.

Hell, after the OU and Florida losses last year, he was a laughingstock basically everywhere BUT here.