Most Unreasonable Fans in the SEC.

#101
#101
We most definitely need a coaching change. But not a firing. We need our coach to change his ways. Be more aggressive. Less loyal. And act like he has a pair. If it doesn't work change it. Don't keep banging against a wall until it's bleeding. You want to succeed you better be willing to change. Or the game will pass you by.
 
#102
#102
orange parmejohn said:
There is no hypocrisy involved. Some people want change and speak out, completely justified. However, those who fear change inevitably begin to attack those who speak out, causing retaliation. It's simple human nature when a set group of people start rocking the boat, within a herd. If enough people join the cause, change will come. There is no stopping it.
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I disagree with "completely justified". Ask someone who knows football, like Manning what they think. But some just hear what they want. There has always been guys here that wanted Jones fired.
 
#104
#104
Behr said:
See, you're so quick to respond you're just spewing garbage now.

What does that even mean?
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Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension.

Now, the excuse is that our record has kept getting better, even though we're failing relative to expectations. When that excuse is no longer available, there will be a new one, like there always is.
 
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#105
#105
WesternKyVol said:
Exactly. When it becomes clear that a coach won't win an SEC Championship, that is exactly the moment when you cut him loose. For some, it was clear when we hired him, but it should be clear to all now.
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I wasn't on VolNation. My perception was he's young, succeeded then progressed forward at all levels, I wish he had one more coaching stint to substatient his credentials, but no one else wants the job and he's willing to go after it. Let's see what he's got.

I'm assuming your speaking for yourself that it was clear he wouldnt win an sec championship when we hired him. Who else? Was there a contingent of VolNation members of that sentiment then, or are you referring to a journalist?

I disagree. But I'm asking sincerely and constructively.
 
#106
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QuickSmurf said:
I disagree with "completely justified". Ask someone who knows football, like Manning what they think. But some just hear what they want. There has always been guys here that wanted Jones fired.
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Are you saying it means something that Manning hasn't called out Butch for falling short of expectations? Why the hell would Manning do that?
 
#107
#107
MemphisVol77 said:
I wasn't on VolNation. My perception was he's young, succeeded then progressed forward at all levels, I wish he had one more coaching stint to substatient his credentials, but no one else wants the job and he's willing to go after it. Let's see what he's got.

I'm assuming your speaking for yourself that it was clear he wouldnt win an sec championship when we hired him. Who else? Was there a contingent of VolNation members of that sentiment then, or are you referring to a journalist?

I disagree. But I'm asking sincerely and constructively.
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Pretty much the conclusion I reached at the time.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/184365-butch.html
 
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#108
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NashVol11 said:
I'm certainly discussing with you. I would address your "logic" as follows:

Right now, we are on pace for 0 SEC titles, 0 playoff appearances, 0 national titles. You're saying "it could be worse; we could hire someone who wins 0 SEC titles, makes 0 playoff appearances, wins 0 national titles and also gets us like two fewer wins."

Sure, that's worse. But if you care about winning something that matters, how much worse does it get than 0/0/0? The difference is that people here think that going 9-3 without even winning the East is some meaningful accomplishment. Maybe we'll get a trophy for being ranked in the top 25, or finishing second in the East; I guess I'll take a "wait-and-see approach" on that.
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And the reasonable reply is...we are winning more than we have won in a long time. Yoh dont run off a coach that has improved win totals every year, you have to give him time to see what he can do.

Before CBJ got here we were on pace for 0/0/0 (using your logic above) we were also in pace for 5 wins and 0.....bowl games.
 
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#109
#109
Behr said:
Sometimes I seriously wonder about some of you guys.

At times I just think you're trolling, and sometimes I think you're just just bitter. I'm now convinced you're not bitter, you're just consumed by a gnawing hate that's eating away at your gut until you can taste the bile in your mouth.
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If Butch were still pulling the recruits I would not have said 8-5 was his average.

As far as the hate thing goes, I guess I'm not sure what you're talking about. I do hate not being able to realistically hope for championships for the foreseeable future.
 
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#110
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volfannbama said:
And the reasonable reply is...we are winning more than we have won in a long time. Yoh dont run off a coach that has improved win totals every year, you have to give him time to see what he can do.
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Of course we're winning more. We waited too long to fire Fulmer, had a coach walk out after one year, and then hired one of the worst coaches ever. While that certainly made it harder for Butch to win in year one, it gave him an absurd amount of room for improvement. You can improve on awful and still not be satisfactory.
 
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#111
#111
volfannbama said:
And the reasonable reply is...we are winning more than we have won in a long time. Yoh dont run off a coach that has improved win totals every year, you have to give him time to see what he can do.
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We can already see what he can do with a certain (high) level of recruiting. Not that great. Current level of recruiting (2016, 2017) will produce Dooley results.
 
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#112
#112
WesternKyVol said:
If Butch were still pulling the recruits I would not have said 8-5 was his average.

As far as the hate thing goes, I guess I'm not sure what you're talking about. I do hate not being able to realistically hope for championships for the foreseeable future.
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Also, the longer we keep Butch, the longer the wait will likely be.
 
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#113
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NashVol11 said:
So far, meaning, under Mike Hamilton?

Again, if you have one primary goal, and your coach has basically no chance of meeting it, why are you keeping him? If your answer is "We should keep someone who we know is not the answer because I'm afraid we might hire someone who is also not the answer," that is both weak and nonsensical.
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How do you know he cant reach the goal...and whi you got to replace him that GUARANTEES we will?
 
#114
#114
JDOG said:
Ok. Fire jones after 10-3 season.

Who could we get?

Lsu open
Texas open
ND open
FS maybe

(Those above are all better jobs)

Oregon maybe
Lousivile maybe

(Would be competing with them too)

Who would u like to bring in??
I coach high school athletics, and If I was looking at a school and saw that they fired the guy before me For a 10 win season thats reduculus, I wouldnt even consider them. But thats todays society

Bear Bryant, Lambardi, Neyland, couldnt coach today because they would all be fired after there 3rd or 4th season cause they won 5-6 games.

Im butch apologist, BUT THE GRASS IS NOT ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE
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first of all when was the last time we won 10 games and if you are thinking we have won 10 this year you might want to recount our wins, we have to beat vandy and then the bowl game, you just jinx us, and people will remember it, hope i am wrong
 
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#115
MemphisVol77 said:
I wasn't on VolNation. My perception was he's young, succeeded then progressed forward at all levels, I wish he had one more coaching stint to substatient his credentials, but no one else wants the job and he's willing to go after it. Let's see what he's got.

I'm assuming your speaking for yourself that it was clear he wouldnt win an sec championship when we hired him. Who else? Was there a contingent of VolNation members of that sentiment then, or are you referring to a journalist?

I disagree. But I'm asking sincerely and constructively.
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There was a lot of consternation when he was hired here and elsewhere. He had a long enough track record for it to be obvious that the SEC wasn't really gonna be his thing.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
We can already see what he can do with a certain (high) level of recruiting. Not that great. Current level of recruiting (2016, 2017) will produce Dooley results.
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So again, who ya got? Go ahead with this stupidity od running off a coach that has flipped this program the right way and added to the win total each year based off what you think you know, just stupid.
 
#121
#121
Why not get mad when it happens instead of because it might happen. I keep thinking about Fulmer - one could say if we don't win with the greatest QB of all time we won't be able to. What happened the next year?
 
#122
#122
Did I see someone in this thread suggest we fire our coach because other team's fans don't think highly of him?

You can't make this stuff up.
 
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#123
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WesternKyVol said:
There was a lot of consternation when he was hired here and elsewhere. He had a long enough track record for it to be obvious that the SEC wasn't really gonna be his thing.
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For both Butch and Dooley, it was:
-Hire
-Immediate VN meltdown
-Denial and rationalization

Unfortunately, the last part seems to continue until we suck so bad that there's no other choice.
 
#124
#124
NashVol11 said:
We don't need a guarantee. We just need someone who could be capable of doing it. Butch isn't.
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So thats the answer huh? Change, dont care what, dont care who just change....brilliant.

I think ill flip over to the most unreasonable fan base and cast my vote that Vols fans are number 1 in that category.
 
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