Most overrated Vol

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Wilhelm16 said:
To go along with the other past Vols threads, tell me who, in your opinion, is the most overrated Vol. It could be of all time, it could be from a certain era, it could even be someone that never made a splash as a Vol, but was overrated as a HS recruit. Just specify.

I'll start us off....Eric Locke.
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Randy Shannon...siap :)
 
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derekdoolander said:
or Gerald Riggs
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Gerald did some good things here. Him and Houston were unstoppable against Auburn in the SEC championship game. If Chavis could have made 1 stop then we might have won.

Chavis cost us a lot of titles because he can't step-up in the big games.

And Clausen was very solid as well as Hardesty.

Kelly "the future" washington was the most overrated.
 
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PermaVol said:
Gerald did some good things here. Him and Houston were unstoppable against Auburn in the SEC championship game. If Chavis could have made 1 stop then we might have won.

Chavis cost us a lot of titles because he can't step-up in the big games.
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Teams loved to have 3rd and long against Chavis.
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
I've learned that people are so touchy that if your posts aren't super-generic you're going to end up defending yourself against someone.
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I agree.

I love the passion of Vol fans but it seems the very vocal minority on here think that they are the sole purveyor of the legacy of UT, and they are the only ones entitled to an opinion.
 
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daj2576 said:
I agree.

I love the passion of Vol fans but it seems the very vocal minority on here think that they are the sole purveyor of the legacy of UT, and they are the only ones entitled to an opinion.
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Say one thing you have 20 people telling you to stop drinking the Kool Aid say the opposite and 20 people call you a Nega-Vol....can't I just be a realistic-Vol? or even a Vol with an opinion?
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
Say one thing you have 20 people telling you to stop drinking the Kool Aid say the opposite and 20 people call you a Nega-Vol....can't I just be a realistic-Vol? or even a Vol with an opinion?
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Nope, keep it to yourself. :) (j/k)

I don't mind dissent in the ranks between family, but I don't want a non-Vol telling me what they think.
 
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daj2576 said:
Nope, keep it to yourself. :) (j/k)

I don't mind dissent in the ranks between family, but I don't want a non-Vol telling me what they think.
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I know I get one guy mad at me for starting a thread that "bashes players" and another mad because I called Eric Locke overrated. First off you and I know that every single one of us has at least 2 players on the team every yeat that we think are now or coming out of HS were overrated. What's wrong with saying it? And I said Eric Locke was overrated because Eric Locke was effing overrated! There were expectations, he never lived up to them. Shame on me with my my mind and my thinking and my truth telling. It took some serious cajones calling Peyton overrated, and I commend you for it. I disagree, but if in your mind he was then so be it. Perhaps Eric Locke was only overrated in my mind, because I had high expectations for him due to the fact I followed him in HS.
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
I know I get one guy mad at me for starting a thread that "bashes players" and another mad because I called Eric Locke overrated. First off you and I know that every single one of us has at least 2 players on the team every yeat that we think are now or coming out of HS were overrated. What's wrong with saying it? And I said Eric Locke was overrated because Eric Locke was effing overrated! There were expectations, he never lived up to them. Shame on me with my my mind and my thinking and my truth telling. It took some serious cajones calling Peyton overrated, and I commend you for it. I disagree, but if in your mind he was then so be it. Perhaps Eric Locke was only overrated in my mind, because I had high expectations for him due to the fact I followed him in HS.
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I just try to look back on Manning's career with a more objective tone than do most people. The guys is a legend and someone who I would truly love to meet one day (I don't get too enthusiastic about meeting too many people) but when it comes to the idea of expectation vs performance I think there is a huge disparity there. Just personal preference. I can think he was way overhyped and also think that he is a legend. He certainly gets extra credit for his loyalty, staying for his senior season, etc.

But, as Football is a team sport maybe we are being overly critical of individual players in the same way that we are overly appreciative of single players. Manning couldn't complete a pass without receivers and a line to block for him, and vice versa.
 
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daj2576 said:
I just try to look back on Manning's career with a more objective tone than do most people. The guys is a legend and someone who I would truly love to meet one day (I don't get too enthusiastic about meeting too many people) but when it comes to the idea of expectation vs performance I think there is a huge disparity there. Just personal preference. I can think he was way overhyped and also think that he is a legend. He certainly gets extra credit for his loyalty, staying for his senior season, etc.

But, as Football is a team sport maybe we are being overly critical of individual players in the same way that we are overly appreciative of single players. Manning couldn't complete a pass without receivers and a line to block for him, and vice versa.
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True, but how many of his WR's made an impact in the league? As far as your question earlier about Tee or Peyton I'd take Peyton's best season as far as QB production. Tee didn't win that title by himself just like Peyton didn't lose by himself. Peyton wasn't on the defense that surrendered 62 pts to UF in 95. And as far as their post-season records go Peyton was 3/4 in bowls, Tee Martin was 1/2 with an ass-whoopin from Nebraska of his own his Senior year as well. In 98 the defense really put it all together like I wish they could have for Peyton. Oh well. Sooner or later someone will come along and take your side and flame me...then someone will do the same to you, and you and I will just kick back and laugh, because we're having a civilized discussion and they'll be ready to kill someone and censor the rest...
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
True, but how many of his WR's made an impact in the league? As far as your question earlier about Tee or Peyton I'd take Peyton's best season as far as QB production. Tee didn't win that title by himself just like Peyton didn't lose by himself. Peyton wasn't on the defense that surrendered 62 pts to UF in 95. And as far as their post-season records go Peyton was 3/4 in bowls, Tee Martin was 1/2 with an ass-whoopin from Nebraska of his own his Senior year as well. In 98 the defense really put it all together like I wish they could have for Peyton. Oh well. Sooner or later someone will come along and take your side and flame me...then someone will do the same to you, and you and I will just kick back and laugh, because we're having a civilized discussion and they'll be ready to kill someone and censor the rest...
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Great points. I mean I can't disagree on any of them. This is a forum where opinions are king, and mine is that I would prefer Tee's best to Peyton's. Passing yards, percentages and touch down's don't matter. If they did, we could have won a national championship with Peyton or Tyler Bray's performance the first few games this year.

I highly doubt that anyone will agree with me, but that is okay. :cray:
 
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daj2576 said:
Great points. I mean I can't disagree on any of them. This is a forum where opinions are king, and mine is that I would prefer Tee's best to Peyton's. Passing yards, percentages and touch down's don't matter. If they did, we could have won a national championship with Peyton or Tyler Bray's performance the first few games this year.

I highly doubt that anyone will agree with me, but that is okay. :cray:
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Tee brought that mobility to the table. I never doubted that he could get the job done once Peyton graduated. He IMO would go on the opposite of this thread. Tee was underrated big time.
 
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daj2576 said:
Okay, here is one and I am going to absolutely cringe after I type it.

Peyton Manning.

Don't get me wrong, I actually really like the guy but his legacy and his reality at UT were two very disparate things.

Never beat Florida, destroyed by Nebraska, one SEC championship, lost to Memphis. As a student at UT I used to watch him in games and notice that when he was pressured or sacked it felt like the team just gave up on the whole series.

The guy was very very good, no doubt, but if we are talking about overrated (the difference between hype and performance) I think he should be on the list.

I know this is blasphemy but I would rather have Tee Martin (who exceeded expectations) than P. Manning who never quite lived up to the (unfair?) hype that was placed on him.
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^Moron!
 
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daj2576 said:
Great points. I mean I can't disagree on any of them. This is a forum where opinions are king, and mine is that I would prefer Tee's best to Peyton's. Passing yards, percentages and touch down's don't matter. If they did, we could have won a national championship with Peyton or Tyler Bray's performance the first few games this year.

I highly doubt that anyone will agree with me, but that is okay. :cray:
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That didn't take long...
 
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Wilhelm16 said:
That didn't take long...
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I think we largely agree...

But, if you want to know which receiver is a game changer in this league...look at your icon. He has my vote! And by the way, I have that edition of SI too, ready to be framed after all of these years.
 
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daj2576 said:
I think we largely agree...

But, if you want to know which receiver is a game changer in this league...look at your icon. He has my vote! And by the way, I have that edition of SI too, ready to be framed after all of these years.
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But in the Tee/Peyton argument Tee had the advantage of Peerless too, in addition to Stallworth and Cedric Wilson.

I finally had to get rid of my BCS champs hat. It was being held together with twist ties and tape. That season was magic.
 
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Lame Kiffen and his whole damn staff. Along with his 2 big recruits Brown and Oku! :rock:
 
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daj2576 said:
I don't know if I would call the 1998 team "lucky" by going undefeated any more than I would call the 2011 team "unlucky". Sometimes breaks go your way, sometimes they don't. The difference is that a talented well prepared team can capitalize off of those breaks and a less prepared team won't. Arky's "fumble" in 1998 would have not cost them the victory if UT had not had a player there to pounce on it, right? If memory serves, UT was leading on the score board regardless of the fumble.
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Iirc, ark was leading by 2-3 pts. We handed the ball off to the big cheese every play and scored a td to win the game. Ark returned the favor the next year by beating us. If we had beat them, we might have backed into the NC game that year.
 
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