Most overrated and underrated Vols for 08

#77
#77
OrangeEmpire said:
Exactly, how many sophomores are on Athlon? They make covers to sell in the local regions. Is there anyone that undoubtedly should have been on there before him?

We have a freakin' poll so someone can guess how many interceptions this year. Aghast! On a UT football board?

Say he only has 1 pick but the defense is light years ahead of last year....... did he have a down year? Have to judge more than just one stat.
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#78
#78
Ok, so ESPN, Foxsports, SI, etc......... that is regional?

I'll give you the ut board.... these people love Fulmer.

Ok, the front seven plays lights out.... Berry has 60 tackles, 1 pick, no tackles for loss and no forced fumbles.

Did he have a bad year?
 
#79
#79
sjt18 said:
His coach at Hargrave said that he was a fine WR but would make a 1st round CB... he's done nothing to prove that guy wrong.
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He's done nothing to prove he's right, either, which is my point. Listen, I HAVE BEEN GUILTY MYSELF of overrating Vinson. He's GOING TO BE great, but he isn't yet.
 
#80
#80
OrangeEmpire said:
Ok, so ESPN, Foxsports, SI, etc......... that is regional?

I'll give you the ut board.... these people love Fulmer.

Ok, the front seven plays lights out.... Berry has 60 tackles, 1 pick, no tackles for loss and no forced fumbles.

Did he have a bad year?
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Your post said Athlon.

I'll judge his year after I have seen it transpire. If the front seven plays lights out Dbs will obviously have less to do.
 
#81
#81
sjt18 said:
That... extraordinary athleticism and quickness... NFL speed... great instincts... great CB height... and long arms. You are right. Other than those things, he's just riding someone else's coat tails.
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Let me know when he shows great instincts for the first time and we'll discuss this. Yeah, he has great CB height as a former WR and he has long arms. Well long arms usually come with height.

Find out when he's shown great instincts and you'll see it for the first time. WR speed and CB speed are different because he's a marginal CB right now as it is. Sure he has POTENTIAL to be very good and will likely improve this year and as the season goes on. He was thrown into the fire and NO, he didn't do very good.


The irony here is that you're trying to disprove why I say he's overrated(in Vols fans eyes) and you make him out to be an All American and a 1st round pick.

You just proved my point exactly. Thank you very much.
 
#82
#82
Vols2TheWall said:
Well let's think about Rogan's big return against Vanderbilt. We may never make it to Atlanta w/o that. Heffney was struggling badly and Rogan helped us change field position in key situations. The kid is great athlete who has a lot of potential. He made a position change from RB to defensive back. I thought he played pretty well for the short time at the position, and I think most in here will agree.

Brent Vinson played better as the season went along, another player that made a position change. You tell me where Brent Vinson played bad last year given the circumstances. He doesnt have great hands and Im sure thats why he changed positions, he did drop a couple of INT's but nobody is perfect. I was impressed by what he did.

And if you read my post I stated that you said Moore was underated. I dont think he is either, he didnt do a whole lot to deserve a ton of hype and didnt do anything bad to believe he is a bust. He made some really nice plays last year as a freshman and the guy will only get better. I dont really understand how someone who had 14 catches in a season is underated. I think he is right about where he deserves and will probably get twice as many touches this year and I hope he does.


And all i said was Moore didnt have break away speed and you bring up Kenny O'Neal and Jayson Swain. What in the hell do they have to do with Denarius Moore? Ok so O'Neal was a bust with speed. Jayson Swain didnt have break away speed either. Nor did Cory Fleming, Craig Faulkner, Jermaine Copeland, Cedrik Wilson, Bobby Graham and other good UT WR's. I never said that a WR can't be prodcutive or have a great season w/o break away speed.
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I never said Rogan didn't have any good returns and he was huge in the Vanderbilt game, but realistically, it will take more than 3 or 4 good returns to make you a serious gamebreaker. I hope he has 4 or 5 touchdowns in the return game this year. But he'll be relied on in the secondary and he didn't play all that much last year and he won't be someone we can rely on out on an island. I also don't think he's BAD, I'm just saying that he's getting more hype than he deserves as an all around player than JUST a return guy.

For Vinson, he played terrible the majority of the time outside of his dropped interceptions. Other than showing incredible toughness, it's easier to point out the negatives than the positives in his game. It isn't his fault he got thrown into the fire and sure that's beneficial going into this season, but he wasn't above average out there very often. There is a reason we ranked 11th in the SEC in pass defense. He'll certainly be better coming into this season and may turn out to be really good by seasons end, but in "the eyes of many Vols fans", he's already an SEC caliber CB when in actuality he would be a backup or a nickel guy on plenty of SEC teams heading into this season.


In Moore's case. I say and think he's underrated because no one talks about him. I have as big a man crush on Gerald Jones as anyone and we have Taylor, Briscoe, etc returning, but I think Moore will end up getting more playing time than people think. Maybe even Gerald Jones unless they really do stick to the "package" they have for him. So that being said, that's why I think he'd be "underrated" because no one talks about him. Gerald Jones gets a crap load of attention and how many catches did he have last year?

I obviously brought up Swain and others because they didn't have the speed and gamebreaking skills that you said Moore lacked and were very productive WR's at Tennessee by comparison to the O'Neals of the world who wasted speed. No, you didn't say he COULDN'T be productive, but you used it as a reason to back up your case.
 
#84
#84
i have seen this and experienced this first hand about hype. Some can take it and give it and it makes them shine. Its really like if you can talk the talk can you walk the walk. yeah berry is settin himself up but when im competing i dare someone to tell me i cant do something cause i'll make you eat it. So maybe he is bringin it on himself for positive reasons and will shine because of it and some can. I expect briscoe to be our key all around reciever. Jones will put a hurting on whoever we play. call me a cromptonite but i think allot of people will be in awe after crompton gets the season rolling and he hits his groove in clawsons offense. I think arian foster is overhyped and over rated.We all know he doesnt have speed he has a move or two but hes an average player that has give his heart to us and got good numbers becasue of it and stayed healthy. i have nothing against him but if coker had ever been clean, and hardesty hadnt stayed hurt i dont think arian would be wher ehe is. I hope he gets rushing record but he doesnt make me jump for joy. i think with rico seeing where mayo went he will step up big and try to match him.

after watching all the videos today on the video post i realize how bad we are hurting at DT> if we can get some pressure to that QB people like berry will really shine and our defense can win big for us.In turn taking pressure off crompton till he gets settled. I still say put FSU boy at DT and let him be a superstar there.
 
#85
#85
NationofVols said:
Let me know when he shows great instincts for the first time and we'll discuss this. Yeah, he has great CB height as a former WR and he has long arms. Well long arms usually come with height.

Find out when he's shown great instincts and you'll see it for the first time. WR speed and CB speed are different because he's a marginal CB right now as it is. Sure he has POTENTIAL to be very good and will likely improve this year and as the season goes on. He was thrown into the fire and NO, he didn't do very good.


The irony here is that you're trying to disprove why I say he's overrated(in Vols fans eyes) and you make him out to be an All American and a 1st round pick.

You just proved my point exactly. Thank you very much.
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I don't remember the game, but it was late and we could've put the game away twice had he just held onto the ball. He jumped in front of the route twice and dropped it both times. He did the same thing in another game(I don't recall it either). Someone help me out with the teams we played.
 
#86
#86
sickemsmokey10 said:
I'm not saying he'll not be an AA I just think there more players better at that position than he is.
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I liked your stance before you started back peddling. I think Parker is a FINE player, but I tend to agree that he's probably not an All-American by any means.
 
#87
#87
govols182 said:
I don't remember the game, but it was late and we could've put the game away twice had he just held onto the ball. He jumped in front of the route twice and dropped it both times. He did the same thing in another game(I don't recall it either). Someone help me out with the teams we played.
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Vinson has more upside than anyone on the defense. he is a rare talent that will hopefully make good use of his time playing with guys like Berry that have a better defensive geared football mind than himself. Being the current "weak link" in our defensive backfield will give him a lot of opportunities to show off his pure raw talent.
 
#88
#88
coaltrain1300 said:
I still say put FSU boy at DT and let him be a superstar there.
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I don't know what's worse, you not knowing who that FSU boy is, or the fact you'd move him to DT

1. If he played defense it would be a DE

2. that boy was a superstar at TE his freshman year. why move him?
 
#89
#89
Over: Vinson (will be a good player just a little over hyped right now.)

Under: Poole (I just have a feeling this kid is going to be a beast.)
 
#90
#90
zehr27 said:
Over: Vinson (will be a good player just a little over hyped right now.)

Under: Poole (I just have a feeling this kid is going to be a beast.)
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What hype is Vinson getting? I'm not seeing or hearing any of this hype.
 
#92
#92
coaltrain1300 said:
I think arian foster is overhyped and over rated.We all know he doesnt have speed he has a move or two but hes an average player that has give his heart to us and got good numbers becasue of it and stayed healthy. i have nothing against him but if coker had ever been clean, and hardesty hadnt stayed hurt i dont think arian would be wher ehe is.
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And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!
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Seriously though....that's half the battle. You gotta show up ready to roll in order to be effective. If Arian wasn't good enough to play, he'd be riding pine. Whatever you think of him, he's done what he's supposed to do on AND off the field to be the last man standing. And whether you like him or not, he's been a productive back for UT and will be in the record books somewhere. That's no small feat....especially considering he averaged LESS than 20 carries last year. And many of you will admit we abandoned the run last year and he STILL amassed over a thousand yards.

Go on and give him a few props.....:neener2:
 
#93
#93
fostermom said:
And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!
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Seriously though....that's half the battle. You gotta show up ready to roll in order to be effective. If Arian wasn't good enough to play, he'd be riding pine. Whatever you think of him, he's done what he's supposed to do on AND off the field to be the last man standing. And whether you like him or not, he's been a productive back for UT and will be in the record books somewhere. That's no small feat....especially considering he averaged LESS than 20 carries last year. And many of you will admit we abandoned the run last year and he STILL amassed over a thousand yards.

Go on and give him a few props.....:neener2:
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I couldn't agree more..I will put it to you this way, I really look forward to seeing your son playing on Sundays. The young man is a stud, congrats. :hi:
 
#94
#94
fostermom said:
And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!
:lolabove:

Seriously though....that's half the battle. You gotta show up ready to roll in order to be effective. If Arian wasn't good enough to play, he'd be riding pine. Whatever you think of him, he's done what he's supposed to do on AND off the field to be the last man standing. And whether you like him or not, he's been a productive back for UT and will be in the record books somewhere. That's no small feat....especially considering he averaged LESS than 20 carries last year. And many of you will admit we abandoned the run last year and he STILL amassed over a thousand yards.

Go on and give him a few props.....:neener2:
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Well said.
 
#97
#97
Underrated: D. Moore at receiver. Sure he was plagued by Freshman dropsies. But he rebounded nicely in the bowl game. A year in the offseason workout program he should be explosive this year.

Overrated: Austin Rogers his toughness shouldn't cover for his lack of talent. I hope we don't sign his brother.
 
#98
#98
first off I don't think anyone is too overated, some may not be as good as others but definitely not overated.

As far as underated, I am going with lucas taylor. He stepped in with pretty much no experience and had a very good year. We have a very deep receiving corp and he will be the leader again this year. Everyone on here has im as a starter, but his name never pops up, so for me that is the definition of underated.
 
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