Most overated and underated team we play

#51
#51
orange+white=heaven said:
At the end there, I was actually talking about something a little more esoteric than the product on the field.

I think there is an impression left when one of us southerners watches a game in PAC country that the whole atmosphere just lacks lustre. Granted, this is not a very intelligent argument to be making, but I do think that our impressions of the atmosphere tend to translate to our opinions of your product on the field. What people think, and what is actually the case, may be different things. But what people think winds up being the overriding sentiment.
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I don't disagree. There is no question that probably half of the pac-10 teams have a lot of fair weather fans. The schools in big cities tend to have less passionate fans certainly. SC fans are passionate now, but tend to stop caring when they stop winning.
 
#52
#52
droski said:
I don't disagree. There is no question that probably half of the pac-10 teams have a lot of fair weather fans. The schools in big cities tend to have less passionate fans certainly. SC fans are passionate now, but tend to stop caring when they stop winning.
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Luckily for them, they have not had to worry about the winning part for a few years and doesn't seem likely that they are going to stop anytime soon.

They are the 2000's version of the 1980's Nebraska.
 
#53
#53
lawgator1 said:
Luckily for them, they have not had to worry about the winning part for a few years and doesn't seem likely that they are going to stop anytime soon.

They are the 2000's version of the 1980's Nebraska.
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The scary part is the state of nebraska has 1/5th of the recruiting base that USC has within 20 miles of campus. But I think if carroll goes pro they take a step back. They'll still have the talent he recruited certainly, but he's a much bigger key to that success than most people give him credit for.
 
#55
#55
droski said:
please list the 2 star players starting for cal. outside of the oline (which anyone knows is the hardest position to evaluate out of high school and said 2 star player who happens to be preseason all pac-10 in every publication) i can't think of a single one.
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I'm basing my comment off of rivals.com. Currently California has 6 starters (according the rivals.com depth chart) that were 2 star high school players or LOWER.

1. Robert Jordan WR **
2. Albert Ma'afala DT **
3. Desmond Bishop LB **
4. Randy Bundy CB (zero stars)
5. Brandon Hampton (zero stars)
6. Thomas DeCoud S **

That's not including almost the entire offensive line as 2 star players like you already mentioned. Again, my information came from a recruiting website, not from some joe-blow making his own predictions.

I just realized that rivals has not updated their depth chart for Cal since last season. I don't know how accurate my numbers are after all.
 
#56
#56
Overrated? Bama. Add Slick Nick in there as well. Too many are predicting a huge jump in the number of wins this year and I just don't see it happening. Shula wasn't that terrible a coach that Saban can come in with an unproven OC and a defense with more holes than a backwoods Sumner County highway.

Underrated? I'm gonna go with USC here. I think Spurrier is going to have his boys ready to play some football.
 
#57
#57
Sabanocchio said:
Overrated? Bama. Add Slick Nick in there as well. Too many are predicting a huge jump in the number of wins this year and I just don't see it happening. Shula wasn't that terrible a coach that Saban can come in with an unproven OC and a defense with more holes than a backwoods Sumner County highway.

Underrated? I'm gonna go with USC here. I think Spurrier is going to have his boys ready to play some football.
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I'll give you insight into why I expect a jump in wins for Alabama.

1) They were -2 in close games. Historically, over 70% of teams who have had -2 in close games have improved their record the next season.

2) They were statistically the 4th best tema in SEC play.

3) The reason #2 above didn't come to fruition was because of poor poor red zone play on both sides of the ball. I believe good coaching makes all the difference in red zone play.

4) The OL that hindered them last season is now their 2nd best unit on the team, possibly the 2nd best OL in the conference.

5) Saban and the Super Friends will bring so much more than just better Xs and Os. Saban over Shula is a big leap, but the coordinators and assistants is a even bigger gain. Steele >>>>> Kines.

6) If Shula had returned for 2007, the team was looking at 7-8 wins - how many wins is Saban better than Shula? At least 2.

Do these 6 things guarantee a jump in wins? Absolutely not. But I think it does hint at a much better W/L record.
 
#58
#58
Right you are.....SABONACCHIO.....I have the feeling...and more importantly SOS has the feeling....as stated by him .....We will be in the hunt this year for the title. You can expect a much improved SC this year.
 
#59
#59
Mullet said:
I'm basing my comment off of rivals.com. Currently California has 6 starters (according the rivals.com depth chart) that were 2 star high school players or LOWER.

1. Robert Jordan WR **
2. Albert Ma'afala DT **
3. Desmond Bishop LB **
4. Randy Bundy CB (zero stars)
5. Brandon Hampton (zero stars)
6. Thomas DeCoud S **

That's not including almost the entire offensive line as 2 star players like you already mentioned. Again, my information came from a recruiting website, not from some joe-blow making his own predictions.

I just realized that rivals has not updated their depth chart for Cal since last season. I don't know how accurate my numbers are after all.
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1. not a starter. our 3rd wr and still has far better stats than anyone returning on your team
2. not a starter or a major player (might not even be on team anymore)
3. was a 4 star recruit. graduated
4. not on team
5. was unrated by everyone because he was a late addition (which is what zero stars means)
6. you got me there, but was rated by ESPN's Mel Kiper as the No. 6 pro prospect at safety in the nation.


Mack was a two star offensive lineman, now rated the top center in the country by Mel Kiper and is a likely first round draft pick.

Also this depth chart is a year old. Three of the said 2 star offensive lineman have graduated (and one of said 2 star starters never played last year).

edit: and seriously if you are going to claim to be some sort of expert on Cal's talent perhaps you might want to consult a website that has the actual starters and takes players off the depth chart that aren't on the team anymore. pathetic. next time you want to talk crap have some actual knowledge ok?
 
#60
#60
VolinArizona said:
I'll give you insight into why I expect a jump in wins for Alabama.

1) They were -2 in close games. Historically, over 70% of teams who have had -2 in close games have improved their record the next season.
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I'm not saying the record won't improve. Winning more than they lose would be an improvement.
2) They were statistically the 4th best tema in SEC play.
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We both know that statistics are just numbers. They are all too often not indicitive of the final outcome of the game. They played a fairly week OOC schedule last year and still lost 7 games.
3) The reason #2 above didn't come to fruition was because of poor poor red zone play on both sides of the ball. I believe good coaching makes all the difference in red zone play.
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It certainly makes a difference. Execution is more important. The talent level this year is not that much better than last.
4) The OL that hindered them last season is now their 2nd best unit on the team, possibly the 2nd best OL in the conference.
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So I keep hearing. But the proof is in the pudding. What makes this OL so much better than last year's? Aren't most of the same guys starting? Depth behind the starters is also a concern.
5) Saban and the Super Friends will bring so much more than just better Xs and Os. Saban over Shula is a big leap, but the coordinators and assistants is a even bigger gain. Steele >>>>> Kines.
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That's a bold statement. Even if true, the defense is full of glaring weaknesses. Saban doesn't even have the proper players to run the system he is planning on using. (3-4 under) Had to move Jimmy Johns to linebacker for depth. Just not sold on a huge improvement there. One or two difference makers on D and mediocrity elsewhere. And please note the point that Major Applewhite is completely unproven as a OC in the SEC.
6) If Shula had returned for 2007, the team was looking at 7-8 wins - how many wins is Saban better than Shula? At least 2.
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That sounds like Bama-speak to me. I don't see a 10 win season on the horizon just because of a coaching change. Even Spurrier (IMO a superior coach) was only good for one extra win and equal losses when coming on board at USC.
Do these 6 things guarantee a jump in wins? Absolutely not. But I think it does hint at a much better W/L record.
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These are all good points. But I have taken them into account already and I still believe both Bama and Saban are the most overrated team on our schedule. JPW is possibly the most overrated QB as well.
JMO.
 
#61
#61
droski said:
1. not a starter. our 3rd wr and still has far better stats than anyone returning on your team
2. not a starter or a major player (might not even be on team anymore)
3. was a 4 star recruit. graduated
4. not on team
5. was unrated by everyone because he was a late addition (which is what zero stars means)
6. you got me there, but was rated by ESPN's Mel Kiper as the No. 6 pro prospect at safety in the nation.


Mack was a two star offensive lineman, now rated the top center in the country by Mel Kiper and is a likely first round draft pick.

Also this depth chart is a year old. Three of the said 2 star offensive lineman have graduated (and one of said 2 star starters never played last year).

edit: and seriously if you are going to claim to be some sort of expert on Cal's talent perhaps you might want to consult a website that has the actual starters and takes players off the depth chart that aren't on the team anymore. pathetic. next time you want to talk crap have some actual knowledge ok?
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i tried to qualify my remarks with an asterisk. I have been operating this entire time on a "depth chart" that hasn't been updated since this time last year. That was my mistake for assuming that the roster had been updated. I tried to indicate that in my response to you. You took it upon yourself to try and "de-fame" me like i'm some sort of "know it all." I don't appreciate that in the slightest bit. I will make it my personal vendetta to refute every comment you make if you like to play ball like that. I TRIED to qualify my data with a statement saying that i was wrong. You apparently just want to see who can win a war of words. Good luck.
 
#64
#64
Mullet said:
i tried to qualify my remarks with an asterisk. I have been operating this entire time on a "depth chart" that hasn't been updated since this time last year. That was my mistake for assuming that the roster had been updated. I tried to indicate that in my response to you. You took it upon yourself to try and "de-fame" me like i'm some sort of "know it all." I don't appreciate that in the slightest bit. I will make it my personal vendetta to refute every comment you make if you like to play ball like that. I TRIED to qualify my data with a statement saying that i was wrong. You apparently just want to see who can win a war of words. Good luck.
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:cray:

Don't make definitive statements like this:

"California is definitely the most overrated. They're playing with mostly 2star guys aside from skill positions."

AND then except me to buy the "i tried to qualify my remarks with an asterisk." I don't see any mention that you could be wrong in your original definitive statement. You only qualified your statements after I TOLD YOU you were wrong. Be a man. Admit you talked out of your rear. And you don't know what you are talking about. And THEN you will have my respect.
 
#66
#66
Overrated: Florida lost nearly their entire D and that D was what one them a NC last year.

Underrated: I know people will think I am crazy, but we are in for the fight for our lives against Cal. They underestimated us last year and got thumped. I hope we dont make that same mistake this year.
 
#68
#68
lazy4163 said:
Whoops I got them backwards.

Sorry
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Wouldn't it be easier to just go back and edit the original post? Just asking... :eek:k:
Oops, had to edit my post. I didn't notice your username included the word lazy... Hehehe
 
#69
#69
lawgator1 said:
OR = Cal
UR = Kentucky

You'll beat both, but beating Cal will once again give you false hope that its going to be a BCS year and Kentucky will be tougher than you expect.
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Gators play KY first, so yall let us know :good!:
 
#72
#72
hmanvolfan said:
Wouldn't it be easier to just go back and edit the original post? Just asking... :eek:k:
Oops, had to edit my post. I didn't notice your username included the word lazy... Hehehe
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I am such a dumbass. I didnt even think about that. It was a hectic day.:)
 
#74
#74
Sabanocchio said:
I'm not saying the record won't improve. Winning more than they lose would be an improvement.

We both know that statistics are just numbers. They are all too often not indicitive of the final outcome of the game. They played a fairly week OOC schedule last year and still lost 7 games.

It certainly makes a difference. Execution is more important. The talent level this year is not that much better than last.

So I keep hearing. But the proof is in the pudding. What makes this OL so much better than last year's? Aren't most of the same guys starting? Depth behind the starters is also a concern.
That's a bold statement. Even if true, the defense is full of glaring weaknesses. Saban doesn't even have the proper players to run the system he is planning on using. (3-4 under) Had to move Jimmy Johns to linebacker for depth. Just not sold on a huge improvement there. One or two difference makers on D and mediocrity elsewhere. And please note the point that Major Applewhite is completely unproven as a OC in the SEC.

That sounds like Bama-speak to me. I don't see a 10 win season on the horizon just because of a coaching change. Even Spurrier (IMO a superior coach) was only good for one extra win and equal losses when coming on board at USC.


These are all good points. But I have taken them into account already and I still believe both Bama and Saban are the most overrated team on our schedule. JPW is possibly the most overrated QB as well.
JMO.
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Come on Don Shula, show us some love.:)
 
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