Most of the Volnation is very unrealistic!

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PimpVol said:
You disagree with the premise that our roster was destroyed by the time Kiffin left? -- The SEC has never been this strong. At one point last year we had the #1, 2 and third ranked team. Happened before? Right. The rest of your is correct. I see nothing inaccurate. :hi:
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I remember back in the 70's when the Big 8 had the top 3 teams in the polls . I don't remember for how many weeks, and how they finished, but Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Colorado were the top 3. I can't recall the order.
 
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That was shown last year when TWO TEAMS FROM THE SEC WEST played for the NC!!!
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I can think of several other years that this very thing could've happened. But undefeated FSU got in the way. I'm certain UT might have faired better than 55-14.

The year that UGA beat Va Tech in the Sugar, you could've made a case for a UF vs UGA game in the title game.

But the NCAA Gods just couldn't sign off on a rematch. I'm glad they've changed their way of thinking. The Bama vs LSU match up in the title game never happens in the 90's.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Lighten up Nancy, LOL.

Fans ARE allowed to have some fun and talk a little smack especially against their most hated arch rivals.

My Titans play in the AFC South division so we play the Indy Dolts, the Houston tOxins and the Jacksonville Hags, not the Jags, the Hags...It's all in jest and some fan FUN but I guess you don't think fans should be allowed to have any fun, LOL!

Next, please learn to read my friend and NOT make things up yourself to attempt to further your hate and fire CDD agenda.

I NEVER said other top SEC teams have 40 to 60 future NFL players that would get DRAFTED I said ONLY future NFL players.

Many that don't get drafted do play in the NFL.

A perfect example is a former Tennessee RB that was NOT drafted but the Houston tOxins were short on RB's so they brought him in for camp and gave the guy a chance and he made the practice squad, then a RB was hurt so he was activated and he ran well, caught the ball out of the backfield well and worked hard to learn everything.

NOT drafted but IS playing in the NFL...You probably don't know him but his last name is Foster, former Vol and he's now earning BIG $$$ as a really good RB even though he wasn't drafted by any NFL team, LOL.

Pay attention please because I NEVER said that CDD is a GREAT recruiter.

CDD is a good recruiter and I believe he's proven that already.

Tennessee was under NCAA investigations when CDD got here and we had really bad seasons for most of 10 years especially by our UT Vols standards of what a good season should be.

Despite everything being stacked against us and all the other teams coaches constantly telling all the recruits that Tennessee sucks CDD and staff worked hard and we still brought in some good football players.

LOast year most everyone on here said all our O linemen and RB's sucked and we'd never have a good running game until we got SEC type O linemen and RB's....WRONG!

CDD said he's fix our running game and he did.

Please go tell Hunter, Patterson, Mccullers, Sentimore, Randolph, McNeil, AJ, Maggitt, Stone and many others on our current Vols roster that they suck and that CDD can't recruit worth crap, LOL!

You don't see any improvements because you CHOOSE and simply REFUSE to see any improvements because it doesn't fit you hate and fire CDD agenda.

I do NOT support any coaches...I support my Tennessee Vols and that means whoever the coaches or players are no matter how good or how bad the season is because I love my Vols.

I'd also guess that you're 1 of the delusional people on here that doesn't believe our recruits and their parents come on here to read about our Vols too, LOL!

The ONLY person that will decide who coaches my Vols next Season is AD Hart and if he decides we need a new coaching staff then that's fine with me and I'll support the new coaches just like i've supported every coach and player at Tennessee for 50 years.

There's nothing that anyone here on VN can say that will make 1 tiny little difference on what AD Hart decides to do BUT you most definately CAN hurt our recruiting efforts even if you refuse to believe that.

Maybe you just never heard of the internet age, LOL.

VFL...GBO!!!
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I think the vast majority of the rational UT fans would agree with you 100%. I also think the vast majority of the rational UT fans know deep down. A change doesn't need to be made unless we get our top three choices and the top three choices are a proven head coach and a proven or very probable top five recruiter in the country! That was my whole point when I start this thread. As well as to say the SEC is MUCH STRONGER than it was even 15 years ago!!! UT can't take a risk on any Joe to win a few more games. UT has to make a hire that will make the sports news rant and rave about the potential of the hire from now until next September!!!
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
I can think of several other years that this very thing could've happened. But undefeated FSU got in the way. I'm certain UT might have faired better than 55-14.

The year that UGA beat Va Tech in the Sugar, you could've made a case for a UF vs UGA game in the title game.

But the NCAA Gods just couldn't sign off on a rematch. I'm glad they've changed their way of thinking. The Bama vs LSU match up in the title game never happens in the 90's.
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If you still think the SEC is the same strength it was prior to 95. You need to spend more time doing fact finding and less time posting on this board! The SEC is head and above what it was in 95. All the major upgrades to all the football facilities, ESPN payout, and the coaches that have came to the league in the last 15 years has made the SEC a minimum of 3 times stronger than it was in the early 90s!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
The SEC never won 9 NCS in 16 years and 6 in a row! There is a HUGE difference in the SEC now versus 1995! Prior to Spurrier coming to the Gators. UF was irrevelant. Bama won only 2 SEC titles in 27 years prior to Saban's arrival. Yes, that is correct. Check the facts online for yourself. LSU was irrelevant before Saban and Miles. Arkansas was irrelevant for years before Petrino. Although, he is gone and they stink again. MSU may be revelant, need more time to tell. UGA has recruited well improved in the last 15 years. Spurrier has made USC very revelant. Muschamp has made UF revelant. Auburn was revelant for a couple of years with Mahzlan as OC and Tubberville players, minus Scam. Texas A & M is strong. Missouri is decent. UT just can't beat UF anymore for the SEC east like the 90s and early 00s!

By the way, I didn't call you stupid. I said, I would expect more intelligence from someone who is a Steelers, Braves, and UT fan. Because I consider myself fairly intelligent and root for all three teams!
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This is because of the BCS and a shift in the media. The BCS gets a lot of criticism, but it did add some objectivity to the championship. Prior, AP poll just voted the winner, and it was dominated by writers of large markets outside the South. However, even before the BCS
the SEC usually won more bowl games than they lost. Before the BCS, it was easier for teams with weak schedules to get in the NC game. Larger conferences have made a difference too. Miami and Florida State are not nearly as newsworthy since they got into conferences. The SEC was just underrated before the BCS. For instance, in 1985 Tennessee was just an 8-1-2 team that played #2 Miami in the Sugar Bowl and crushed them 45-7. The SEC has always been the toughest conference. I remember arguing this in 1989. Northerners would say just evenly matched.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I remember back in the 70's when the Big 8 had the top 3 teams in the polls . I don't remember for how many weeks, and how they finished, but Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Colorado were the top 3. I can't recall the order.
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I decided to look this up, and in 1971 the final AP poll was Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Alabama. The top 3 teams were from the Big 8 Conference, which is now the Big 12, or whatever.

1971 was the only year that the number 1 ranked team beat #2, #3, and #4 in one year. Nebraska beat Alabama in the bowl game.
 
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You should change the title of this thread to "Most of Volnation do not 100% agree with me". You see us as unrealistic. We see you as an underachiever. A lover of lowered expectations. Just saying.:D
 
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1972 Grad said:
I decided to look this up, and in 1971 the final AP poll was Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Alabama. The top 3 teams were from the Big 8 Conference, which is now the Big 12, or whatever.

1971 was the only year that the number 1 ranked team beat #2, #3, and #4 in one year. Nebraska beat Alabama in the bowl game.
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That is quite dominant. And 4 years before I was born. :hi: .
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
Bottomline.........

SEC.........

Tough yesterday,

Today,

and tomorrow.

So, either get it together, and start looking like an SEC team(Via coaching change, whatever). Or don't get it together, and settle for one losing season after another.

There is always the 3rd option...........move out of the SEC. But that is the coward's way out.
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Exactly genius, the only way to get it together is to hire a Saban, Miles, or Spurrier type coach. That is the point I have tryed to make to some of you clueless ones from the beginning. A risk that will probably fail again in a couple of years doesn't need to be hired to win a few more games! Either hire one of the top three on the list or keep Dooley until one of the top three can be obtained! That is the ONLY WAY UT COMPETES FOR SEC TITLES. I don't want to just beat UF, UGA, and USC every other year or 1 of 3 years. I want to be competing for SEC East titles almost EVERY YEAR!!!
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
You should change the title of this thread to "Most of Volnation do not 100% agree with me". You see us as unrealistic. We see you as an underachiever. A lover of lowered expectations. Just saying.:D
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You are a complete moron! As stated, do some homework before you type idiotic posts! It is VERY UNREALISTIC FOR MOST OF YOU BONEHEADS TO THINK JUST ANYONE WILL COME INTO THE SEC AND COMPETE AGAINST SABAN, SPURRIER, MILES, AND POSSIBLY MUSCHAMP!!! I

I am not saying I am ok with losing. I am not saying I want to be mentioned in the same breath as UK and VU! I am saying it is going to take a Saban type coach to put us where UT fans, including myself, want to be!!! I don't want to win just a few more games and go 4-4 or 5-3 in the SEC every year. I want UT to be going 8-0, 7-1, or 6-2 consistently!!! You don't do that by hiring your 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th choice, not in the SEC as strong as it is!!! Are you with me??? I highly doubt it!!!
 
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VolGrad AJ had committed to LK before he left . That is a fact. DD got him to recommit but the groundwork was lain. How many do we win the last two years without Bray, J James DR and JH? All Kiffin guys. He also left him JJ and BB two NFL talents he couldnt keep.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Exactly genius, the only way to get it together is to hire a Saban, Miles, or Spurrier type coach. That is the point I have tryed to make to some of you clueless ones from the beginning. A risk that will probably fail again in a couple of years doesn't need to be hired to win a few more games! Either hire one of the top three on the list or keep Dooley until one of the top three can be obtained! That is the ONLY WAY UT COMPETES FOR SEC TITLES. I don't want to just beat UF, UGA, and USC every other year or 1 of 3 years. I want to be competing for SEC East titles almost EVERY YEAR!!!
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Maybe YOU should coach the Vols then.

But really, who does not want to win the East every year? That is like saying I want to eat everyday. :lol:

6 out of 17 East titles was not good enough around here. Sure we want to win. If you have a winner lined up, bring him on. Dont wreck the program again this quickly if you dont though.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I think the vast majority of the rational UT fans would agree with you 100%. I also think the vast majority of the rational UT fans know deep down. A change doesn't need to be made unless we get our top three choices and the top three choices are a proven head coach and a proven or very probable top five recruiter in the country! That was my whole point when I start this thread. As well as to say the SEC is MUCH STRONGER than it was even 15 years ago!!! UT can't take a risk on any Joe to win a few more games. UT has to make a hire that will make the sports news rant and rave about the potential of the hire from now until next September!!!
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Thanks for agreeing with me my friend.

I've agreed with you on many things as well which is why I clicked on the thumbs up to show I likes your intelligent opinions.

I think what most people here on VN miss is that CDD simply HAS made us a better team since he took over this 5 year total rebuilding chore.

The MOST important thing I think they miss is that unless we already have a 100%, totally Proven, winning coach that's also a great recruiter with a well known name AND really good recruiters as assistant coaches with coaching resume's that will impress young recruits that will be a huge and total HOMERUN hire that we should save the money, keep CDD and staff for 1 more year and give AD Hart and our big $$$ boosters another year to find that HOMERUN hire.

To fire CDD before we have that homerun hire ready to sign the contract would be assinine and could get us the same coaching result that Hamilton was in....taking whoever would come to Tennessee and risk his coaching career and that would set us back another 10 years or more.

I don't think I'll live long enough to go through 2 more coaching changes and I really want to see my Vols Win another SEC CHampionship and maybe to bring another Crystal football to K town.

I'd rather keep CDD for 1 more year than to get another nobody coach and watch my Vols keep losing all the big games for another 10 years.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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He would rather keep Dooley than get "Another Nobody Coach" and "Keep" losing to the big boys for the next 10 years.

So Dooley is a nobody, and has continued to lose the games that matter. This is per your statement.

Yeah! Let's just keep him!!


:eek:lol:
 
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k-town_king said:
VolGrad AJ had committed to LK before he left . That is a fact. DD got him to recommit but the groundwork was lain. How many do we win the last two years without Bray, J James DR and JH? All Kiffin guys. He also left him JJ and BB two NFL talents he couldnt keep.
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Whatever you say, NOT!!! Lance Thompson recruited AJ as well as Chuck Smith!!! If AJ was sold on CLK. Why didn't he go to USC? CLK and CEO tryed to pull him from UT. It didn't happen! Don't try to give CLK credit for AJ. Give CLT, CCS, and CDD credit for AJ!!!

JH was recruited and signed by Dooley! DR is gone! It is Dooley's fault BB and JJ are gone too, right? I guess Dooley is the reason most of Kiffin's 2008 class are gone too, right? You really need to get a clue!!! Dooley brings in high character kids who don't act like prima donnas aka Brown, and don't mess up continually aka Janzen, Miles, Nuke, etc... Bray is a head case who has never beat a great SEC D!!! Please remind me who Bray has beat in the SEC!!!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Exactly genius, the only way to get it together is to hire a Saban, Miles, or Spurrier type coach. That is the point I have tryed to make to some of you clueless ones from the beginning. A risk that will probably fail again in a couple of years doesn't need to be hired to win a few more games! Either hire one of the top three on the list or keep Dooley until one of the top three can be obtained! That is the ONLY WAY UT COMPETES FOR SEC TITLES. I don't want to just beat UF, UGA, and USC every other year or 1 of 3 years. I want to be competing for SEC East titles almost EVERY YEAR!!!
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I'm 100% certain that I would not like you in person. You like to talk down your proverbial nose at people. In my neighborhood, people did not talk to people like that, because their noses got BROKEN.

But, I see that you are saying hire big, or not at all, I agree, 100%.

By all means, please, continue insulting me.:)
 
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IMO, Dooley could very well be at fault for the Da'Rick situation. He tried to keep everything quiet and hush hush. Does anyone think that helped Da'Rick at all? "Coach, is he suspended"? No, No, No. He is fine and is a part of this team. Da'Rick holds his presser at his new school and admits to MULTIPLE failed drug tests. Funny, I don't recall ever hearing he had ever failed 1? Sometimes protecting these kids or doing it to keep them on the field can backfire.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
You are a complete moron! As stated, do some homework before you type idiotic posts! It is VERY UNREALISTIC FOR MOST OF YOU BONEHEADS TO THINK JUST ANYONE WILL COME INTO THE SEC AND COMPETE AGAINST SABAN, SPURRIER, MILES, AND POSSIBLY MUSCHAMP!!! I

I am not saying I am ok with losing. I am not saying I want to be mentioned in the same breath as UK and VU! I am saying it is going to take a Saban type coach to put us where UT fans, including myself, want to be!!! I don't want to win just a few more games and go 4-4 or 5-3 in the SEC every year. I want UT to be going 8-0, 7-1, or 6-2 consistently!!! You don't do that by hiring your 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th choice, not in the SEC as strong as it is!!! Are you with me??? I highly doubt it!!!
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you apparently enjoy shouting too
 
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smokey90 said:
This is because of the BCS and a shift in the media. The BCS gets a lot of criticism, but it did add some objectivity to the championship. Prior, AP poll just voted the winner, and it was dominated by writers of large markets outside the South. However, even before the BCS
the SEC usually won more bowl games than they lost. Before the BCS, it was easier for teams with weak schedules to get in the NC game. Larger conferences have made a difference too. Miami and Florida State are not nearly as newsworthy since they got into conferences. The SEC was just underrated before the BCS. For instance, in 1985 Tennessee was just an 8-1-2 team that played #2 Miami in the Sugar Bowl and crushed them 45-7. The SEC has always been the toughest conference. I remember arguing this in 1989. Northerners would say just evenly matched.
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Do some of you actually read and fact find before posting? No, you just run off at the mouth. I NEVER SAID the SEC hasn't always been stronger than the other conferences!!! I said the SEC is three times stronger than it was in the early 90s as proven by it's dominance against the other conferences in the past 15 years as well as Spurrier, Saban, Miles, Muschamp, Mullen, Richt, and Petrino being brought into the league along with Texas A & M.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
whatever you say, not!!! Lance thompson recruited aj as well as chuck smith!!! If aj was sold on clk. Why didn't he go to usc? Clk and ceo tryed to pull him from ut. It didn't happen! Don't try to give clk credit for aj. Give clt, ccs, and cdd credit for aj!!!

Jh was recruited and signed by dooley! Dr is gone! It is dooley's fault bb and jj are gone too, right? I guess dooley is the reason most of kiffin's 2008 class are gone too, right? You really need to get a clue!!! Dooley brings in high character kids who don't act like prima donnas aka brown, and don't mess up continually aka janzen, miles, nuke, etc... Bray is a head case who has never beat a great sec d!!! Please remind me who bray has beat in the sec!!!
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omg!!!!!!!!
 
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Neylandsmaxims said:
I'm 100% certain that I would not like you in person. You like to talk down your proverbial nose at people. In my neighborhood, people did not talk to people like that, because their noses got BROKEN.

But, I see that you are saying hire big, or not at all, I agree, 100%.

By all means, please, continue insulting me.:)
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No one is talking down to you. You did the same to me! You went off on me so bad your post got deleted.

If you are saying you wish to try to break my nose. I say. You wouldn't stand a chance! It would be over before you knew what happened.
 
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Dooley supporters can wave their arms; they can cherry-pick data all they want. But the fact remains. To defend Dooley at this point is to accept mediocrity and football irrelevance.

Which is sad, because we are not Tulane or NC State. We are Tennessee. For a century we've had one of the greatest football programs in the country. We're 6 wins away from 800 all-time, something only 7 other teams have accomplished. Year after year, our Vols have taken the field expecting to win regardless of the opponent. But with each game under Dooley, UT's proud legacy fades. Shame on those who accept it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO, Dooley could very well be at fault for the Da'Rick situation. He tried to keep everything quiet and hush hush. Does anyone think that helped Da'Rick at all? "Coach, is he suspended"? No, No, No. He is fine and is a part of this team. Da'Rick holds his presser at his new school and admits to MULTIPLE failed drug tests. Funny, I don't recall ever hearing he had ever failed 1? Sometimes protecting these kids or doing it to keep them on the field can backfire.
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Possibly, but what does that have to do with getting UT's top three choice or waiting until they can?
 
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