Most of the Volnation is very unrealistic!

[volsgrad89]

No. Dooley needs to be fired.

There are only so many "proven home runs"

The odds say you will hire someone with question marks.

A qualified coach with some question marks is better than a proven loser

No one asked you, get out of here you troll!!!! UT will wait on the GRANDSLAM HIRE. And, when UT gets one. MASCHUMPS tenure will be shortened!!!

 

[ImportedVoL]

No. Dooley needs to be fired.

There are only so many "proven home runs"

The odds say you will hire someone with question marks.

A qualified coach with some question marks is better than a proven loser

and tell me why you care?

and no, bringing in a new system.. attrition from a coaching change. Likely losing the couple good coaches we do have like Graham is not a good idea at all, unless we get that homerun hire that can keep the team together.

and he is not a proven loser.. the only game he lost that he really shouldnt have is the KY game.

Once again everyone around here is letting emotions cloud their judgement.

Just like what happened Fulmer, people reacted with emotions instead of logic, and just look at the state of our program now.

And now it seems no one has learned from their mistakes and want to jump the gun again..

Which will set us back again and possibly even farther.

 

[k-town_king]

^^^This has to be one of the best posts I have seen in 4 years on this board! Myself (op), should have worded it this way. I just wanted to point to all of us that wish we were in the 90s again. The SEC is much stronger than it was back in the 90s and early 00s!!! During Majors tenure of 16 years the SEC won 4 NCs, Bama 3, UGA 1. During Fulmer tenure of 16 years the SEC won 6 NCs, UF 3, LSU 2, UT 1. Of course, that is 10 NCs in 32 years. During Dooley's tenure the SEC is dominating and have won all three NC titles like Fulmers last 2 years and Kiffin's 1.

Don't think for one minute that just any coach can come in the SEC and bring us back to prominence!!! UF was irrevelant before Spurrier turned them into a powerhouse! Now, he has turned USC into a powerhouse. Arkansas was irrelevant before Petrino. MSU was irrelevant before Dan Mullen. LSU was irrelevant before Saban and Miles turned them into a powerhouse. Bama was irrelevant before Saban winning TWO OUTRIGHT SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS IN 27 YEARS prior to SABAN's ARRIVAL!!! Yes, that is right! The mighty crimson won ONLY 2 SEC Championships in 27 years!!! Bama tried for 27 years to get the right coach. They finally got theirs. You people amaze me. You think anyone can just walk in the door and compete in the SEC. It isn't going to happen. That is why US RATIONAL FANS who are tired of mediocrity too know UT better keep Dooley unless another Saban, Miles, or Spurrier is hired!!!

But we know DD can't win anywhere, and definitely not on the SEC. Why would we keep him when we can hire a winning coach or big name coordinator. You realize Mullen had never been a head coach right? Why keep someone we know can't win ?

 

[Spawn]

lol: . I can read. Just used it to say what I wanted. And reading is fundamental.

Oh clap clap clap clap clap. Your one of those people. I can see now why your posts make no sense. Bravo!

 

[wolfe]

Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!

I'm trying to figure out the point you're trying to make. If it's to fire Dooley then 98% of the people on this board agree with you.

 

[k-town_king]

and tell me why you care?

and no, bringing in a new system.. attrition from a coaching change. Likely losing the couple good coaches we do have like Graham is not a good idea at all, unless we get that homerun hire that can keep the team together.

and he is not a proven loser.. the only game he lost that he really shouldnt have is the KY game.

Once again everyone around here is letting emotions cloud their judgement.

Just like what happened Fulmer, people reacted with emotions instead of logic, and just look at the state of our program now.

And now it seems no one has learned from their mistakes and want to jump the gun again..

Which will set us back again and possibly even farther.

Dooley IS a grade a certified loser. Go by any metric you want to use. Keeping him will set us back way more than a winning coach coming in. We aren't going to get the top talent we need with Dooley . And he has proven he cant beat any team unless he vastly out talents them which won't happen in the SEC. Especially with his average recruiting. How many top 100 players has DD signed?

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

When the program is down to where it was when Dooley took over it matters. And the SEC has NEVER been this strong Ever. Trying to rebuild a program with no talent base against championship programs with excellent talent bases will not be quick nor easy. Or pretty. Why do you think no REAL coach took it? Nobody is making excuses for Dooley. He don't need them and they are worthless in my opinion anyway. These are the facts of our situation.

I disagree, wholeheartedly. The SEC has ALWAYS been a strong conference, top to bottom, minus Vandy. Even Vandy and UK were formidable in the early days.

The difference? The SEC is top heavy. Bama, UF and LSU have dominated the NC in recent years. Generally, other than LSU winning the NC with 2 losses, getting to the NC undefeated. In years past, undefeated teams from the SEC were FEW and FAR BETWEEN. Why? Because the conference was just too tough and competitive to allow ANYONE to escape, unscathed. Therefore, we lost NC spots to the 12-0 Nebraska's, Miami's, FSU's, Michigans, Oklahomas, USC, Penn State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, to name a few. I even remember Ga. Tech and BYU winning NC's over 1 loss SEC teams. The BCS, and TENNESSEE, changed all of that. People began to stand up and really take notice, when an underdog UF team took on #1 Ohio State in the BCS NC game, and beat them, like they stole from them. Not to mention, a 10-2 LSU team, destroying Ohio State, like they were Vanderbilt. Bottomline, they realised that there was no way to deny(Any longer) that the SEC was king.

Well, it has been KING, for a long time. Even before the BCS.The SEC's record in BIG bowl games speaks for itself.

So this notion that the SEC just got tough, all the sudden, is not true. Ask Miami about how tough the #2 SEC(UT) was in the Sugar Bowl, in 85. Folks, I was there, IT WAS A MISMATCH FROM THE WORD GO. Eventual champion.......Oklahoma. Florida was 12-0, but on probation. Safe bet, UT could've beaten OU worse than they beat Miami. #2 SEC better than the NC in 85. No doubt in my mind. It has been that way several other times.

But, in fairness, nearly everytime an SEC team has managed to go undefeated, they've won the NC or played for it. Other than Auburn. Who was undefeated, but so was Texas and USC. Texas and USC was a sexier match-up, for ratings, and Vince Young was the Heisman winner.

 

[volsgrad89]

You are the most delusional and immature poster here. You always say Gators , UGA, Floriduh and other immature things. I honestly thought you were a high school student by your post. And you don't live in the real world when it comes to DD. You claim you aren't a big Dooley supporter then you make up stuff to make him look better.

For example you claim every other good SEC team has 40 to 60 NFL players to our 20. This is laughable. No team has that many NFL players. We also have way more draft able and high draft picks on o than any team we play. D we have a few . Talent is there, coaching is not. You refuse to acknowledge this fact.

You claim Dooley is a great recruiter and is recruiting well currently. DD has gotten worse every year. He is running out of kids LK laid the groundwork on like AJ Johnson. The rest of DD best players besides CP are LK guys . Dooley has been average to below average. We are 9th or 10th right now in the SEC.

You are delusional if you think CLK laid the groundwork of these high character kids who are getting better! I guess CLK recruited Tiny, Moore, Stone, Neal, Hunter, Rivera, Coleman, Couch, Lane, Sentimore, Maggit, Dallas, Young, Patterson, Howard, and McCullers? Neither did CLK recruit AJ Johnson. Get a clue before you come on here typing nonsense!!!

 

[volsgrad89]

I'm trying to figure out the point you're trying to make. If it's to fire Dooley then 98% of the people on this board agree with you.

98% of the people are wrong, if they think just any coach can come in here and compete with the likes of Saban, Spurrier, and Miles on a consistent basis. If UT can get one of those type coaches, fire Dooley today. If not, keep laying groundwork until UT gets one of it's top three choices. Don't settle like they did in 2009 to save a recruiting class!!!

 

[volsgrad89]

But we know DD can't win anywhere, and definitely not on the SEC. Why would we keep him when we can hire a winning coach or big name coordinator. You realize Mullen had never been a head coach right? Why keep someone we know can't win ?

Let Mullen beat someone besides our 100th ranked scoring defense before you go naming him the next Spurrier, Saban, or Miles. Why keep Dooley unless a GRANDSLAM hire is made? UT and the boosters can think of 9 million different reasons! Most of the rational fans can think of a good reason too. Most UT fans don't want to gamble on just any coach to be back to square one 2-3 years down the road!!!

 

[theFallGuy]

You are delusional. The SEC is 10 times stronger than it was 80 yeas agao. It is 3 times stronger than it was 15 years ago. Prior to 1996, Bama won several over a 65 year period. Who else from the SEC won a NC? Of course, UT one 1 to 3 depending on the poll. Starting in 1996, the SEC has won 9 NCs in 16 years!!!

I never said the SEC hasn't gotten stronger each year. I was simply saying that acting like the SEC hasn't been tough in previous years is retarded. Equally retarted is acting like we shouldn't expect to win ANY of those games. Saying the SEC is too tough and too difficult, well gee that sounds like something a loser would say. Go be in the WAC conference then. I don't see any Texas A&M fans complaining about how hard the conference is. You want to be in a big boy conference you prepare to play with the Big Boys.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

I disagree, wholeheartedly. The SEC has ALWAYS been a strong conference, top to bottom, minus Vandy. Even Vandy and UK were formidable in the early days.

The difference? The SEC is top heavy. Bama, UF and LSU have dominated the NC in recent years. Generally, other than LSU winning the NC with 2 losses, getting to the NC undefeated. In years past, undefeated teams from the SEC were FEW and FAR BETWEEN. Why? Because the conference was just too tough and competitive to allow ANYONE to escape, unscathed. Therefore, we lost NC spots to the 12-0 Nebraska's, Miami's, FSU's, Michigans, Oklahomas, USC, Penn State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, to name a few. I even remember Ga. Tech and BYU winning NC's over 1 loss SEC teams. The BCS, and TENNESSEE, changed all of that. People began to stand up and really take notice, when an underdog UF team took on #1 Ohio State in the BCS NC game, and beat them, like they stole from them. Not to mention, a 10-2 LSU team, destroying Ohio State, like they were Vanderbilt. Bottomline, they realised that there was no way to deny(Any longer) that the SEC was king.

Well, it has been KING, for a long time. Even before the BCS.The SEC's record in BIG bowl games speaks for itself.

So this notion that the SEC just got tough, all the sudden, is not true. Ask Miami about how tough the #2 SEC(UT) was in the Sugar Bowl, in 85. Folks, I was there, IT WAS A MISMATCH FROM THE WORD GO. Eventual champion.......Oklahoma. Florida was 12-0, but on probation. Safe bet, UT could've beaten OU worse than they beat Miami. #2 SEC better than the NC in 85. No doubt in my mind. It has been that way several other times.
But, in fairness, nearly everytime an SEC team has managed to go undefeated, they've won the NC or played for it. Other than Auburn. Who was undefeated, but so was Texas and USC. Texas and USC was a sexier match-up, for ratings, and Vince Young was the Heisman winner.

You disagree with the premise that our roster was destroyed by the time Kiffin left? -- The SEC has never been this strong. At one point last year we had the #1, 2 and third ranked team. Happened before? Right. The rest of your is correct. I see nothing inaccurate. :hi:

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

Bottomline.........

SEC.........

Tough yesterday,

Today,

and tomorrow.

So, either get it together, and start looking like an SEC team(Via coaching change, whatever). Or don't get it together, and settle for one losing season after another.

There is always the 3rd option...........move out of the SEC. But that is the coward's way out.

 

[theFallGuy]

98% of the people are wrong, if they think just any coach can come in here and compete with the likes of Saban, Spurrier, and Miles on a consistent basis. If UT can get one of those type coaches, fire Dooley today. If not, keep laying groundwork until UT gets one of it's top three choices. Don't settle like they did in 2009 to save a recruiting class!!!

Well that's great. I'm glad you are in the top 2% of the thousands of people on here that is 100% correct. Where can I sign up for your twitter feed?

:good!:

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Oh clap clap clap clap clap. Your one of those people. I can see now why your posts make no sense. Bravo!

One of "those" people? Expound please. Sounds like an H Ross Perot statement.
My posts make perfect sense. So do yours. We are debating our OPINIONS, or so I thought. Could be mistaken though.

 

[99gator]

and tell me why you care?

and no, bringing in a new system.. attrition from a coaching change. Likely losing the couple good coaches we do have like Graham is not a good idea at all, unless we get that homerun hire that can keep the team together.

and he is not a proven loser.. the only game he lost that he really shouldnt have is the KY game.

Once again everyone around here is letting emotions cloud their judgement.

Just like what happened Fulmer, people reacted with emotions instead of logic, and just look at the state of our program now.

And now it seems no one has learned from their mistakes and want to jump the gun again..

Which will set us back again and possibly even farther.

dooley is a proven loser. that is based on his record. period. end of story. next case. by your logic, indiana's head football coach is a great coach because they only lose to teams they are supposed to lose to.

as far as change and attrition go.....it's a function of life. assistants come and go all the time. tennessee lost 7 assistants last season. almost the entire staff off of alabama's 2009 national title team is gone.

a new head coach is the best course of action.

be honest and tell me where you think tennessee finishes in the standings if derek dooley is the head coach in 2013.

 

[k-town_king]

You are delusional if you think CLK laid the groundwork of these high character kids who are getting better! I guess CLK recruited Tiny, Moore, Stone, Neal, Hunter, Rivera, Coleman, Couch, Lane, Sentimore, Maggit, Dallas, Young, Patterson, Howard, and McCullers? Neither did CLK recruit AJ Johnson. Get a clue before you come on here typing nonsense!!!

AJ who I our best defender had already committed here to LK. LK got Hunter interested and was in on the O lineman you mentioned. Cp and McCullers are all DD even though any one probably would have got CP here. Moore is DD but every one complains about his play . The whole o line is basically LK work. Our qb and best wr are LK. Without the gifts LK left DD would not have survived last year. And LK had a better rb on the roster that would be a senior but DD cant hold onto players.

 

[volsgrad89]

I disagree, wholeheartedly. The SEC has ALWAYS been a strong conference, top to bottom, minus Vandy. Even Vandy and UK were formidable in the early days.

The difference? The SEC is top heavy. Bama, UF and LSU have dominated the NC in recent years. Generally, other than LSU winning the NC with 2 losses, getting to the NC undefeated. In years past, undefeated teams from the SEC were FEW and FAR BETWEEN. Why? Because the conference was just too tough and competitive to allow ANYONE to escape, unscathed. Therefore, we lost NC spots to the 12-0 Nebraska's, Miami's, FSU's, Michigans, Oklahomas, USC, Penn State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, to name a few. I even remember Ga. Tech and BYU winning NC's over 1 loss SEC teams. The BCS, and TENNESSEE, changed all of that. People began to stand up and really take notice, when an underdog UF team took on #1 Ohio State in the BCS NC game, and beat them, like they stole from them. Not to mention, a 10-2 LSU team, destroying Ohio State, like they were Vanderbilt. Bottomline, they realised that there was no way to deny(Any longer) that the SEC was king.

Well, it has been KING, for a long time. Even before the BCS.The SEC's record in BIG bowl games speaks for itself.

So this notion that the SEC just got tough, all the sudden, is not true. Ask Miami about how tough the #2 SEC(UT) was in the Sugar Bowl, in 85. Folks, I was there, IT WAS A MISMATCH FROM THE WORD GO. Eventual champion.......Oklahoma. Florida was 12-0, but on probation. Safe bet, UT could've beaten OU worse than they beat Miami. #2 SEC better than the NC in 85. No doubt in my mind. It has been that way several other times.

But, in fairness, nearly everytime an SEC team has managed to go undefeated, they've won the NC or played for it. Other than Auburn. Who was undefeated, but so was Texas and USC. Texas and USC was a sexier match-up, for ratings, and Vince Young was the Heisman winner.

The SEC never won 9 NCS in 16 years and 6 in a row! There is a HUGE difference in the SEC now versus 1995! Prior to Spurrier coming to the Gators. UF was irrevelant. Bama won only 2 SEC titles in 27 years prior to Saban's arrival. Yes, that is correct. Check the facts online for yourself. LSU was irrelevant before Saban and Miles. Arkansas was irrelevant for years before Petrino. Although, he is gone and they stink again. MSU may be revelant, need more time to tell. UGA has recruited well improved in the last 15 years. Spurrier has made USC very revelant. Muschamp has made UF revelant. Auburn was revelant for a couple of years with Mahzlan as OC and Tubberville players, minus Scam. Texas A & M is strong. Missouri is decent. UT just can't beat UF anymore for the SEC east like the 90s and early 00s!

By the way, I didn't call you stupid. I said, I would expect more intelligence from someone who is a Steelers, Braves, and UT fan. Because I consider myself fairly intelligent and root for all three teams!

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

You disagree with the premise that our roster was destroyed by the time Kiffin left? -- The SEC has never been this strong. At one point last year we had the #1, 2 and third ranked team. Happened before? Right. The rest of your is correct. I see nothing inaccurate. :hi:

Oh no, I realise what Lame Train done to us. Totally. As far as those polls go, I remember having 3 spots in the top 5 many times over. But, conference play began, and it all worked itself out.

I specifically remember UF#1, UT#4 and Bama #5. Then UT beat UF, lost to Bama, Ark and USC. UF went 11-1, UT finished 9-3, after Majors was fired, midseason. Bama was the NC. But I look at where everyone finished. The midseason polls are misleading. I've seen UF#1 and UT#3, a few times in the 90's. That never lasted, lol.

What I'm saying is the overall conference strength has always been there. But the power has shifted more towards the top, in recent years. Insuring that an undefeated SEC team is still standing come December.

 

[volsgrad89]

I never said the SEC hasn't gotten stronger each year. I was simply saying that acting like the SEC hasn't been tough in previous years is retarded. Equally retarted is acting like we shouldn't expect to win ANY of those games. Saying the SEC is too tough and too difficult, well gee that sounds like something a loser would say. Go be in the WAC conference then. I don't see any Texas A&M fans complaining about how hard the conference is. You want to be in a big boy conference you prepare to play with the Big Boys.

You went off on someone and said they were delusional. Then, you went on to say the SEC has always been strong. I agree the SEC has always been strong. But, there use to be an argument among the nation about who was the strongest conference in the US. Tell me who has argued that point in the last 7 years? The SEC is probably 3 times stronger than it was 15 years ago!!! That was shown last year when TWO TEAMS FROM THE SEC WEST played for the NC!!!

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

The SEC Title means more to me, than the NC trophy.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Yep. There were times when we lost to Florida and worked back up. Who could forget. Not what I meant, but I certainly remember.

 

[theFallGuy]

You went off on someone and said they were delusional. Then, you went on to say the SEC has always been strong. I agree the SEC has always been strong. But, there use to be an argument among the nation about who is the strongest conference in the US. Tell me who has argued that point in the last 7 years? The SEC probably 3 times stronger than it was 15 years ago!!! That was shown last year when TWO TEAMS FROM THE SEC WEST played for the NC!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[volsgrad89]

AJ who I our best defender had already committed here to LK. LK got Hunter interested and was in on the O lineman you mentioned. Cp and McCullers are all DD even though any one probably would have got CP here. Moore is DD but every one complains about his play . The whole o line is basically LK work. Our qb and best wr are LK. Without the gifts LK left DD would not have survived last year. And LK had a better rb on the roster that would be a senior but DD cant hold onto players.

Dude, you need to get a clue and check your facts. AJ signed for the 2011 class. CLK left before the 2009 class was inked. Stone wouldn't even look UT's way when CLK was here. Don't try to give CLK any credit for anything happening at UT right now except a head case of a QB who has played well against one top notched SEC D during his career!!!

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

You are the most delusional and immature poster here. You always say Gators , UGA, Floriduh and other immature things. I honestly thought you were a high school student by your post. And you don't live in the real world when it comes to DD. You claim you aren't a big Dooley supporter then you make up stuff to make him look better.

For example you claim every other good SEC team has 40 to 60 NFL players to our 20. This is laughable. No team has that many NFL players. We also have way more draft able and high draft picks on o than any team we play. D we have a few . Talent is there, coaching is not. You refuse to acknowledge this fact.

You claim Dooley is a great recruiter and is recruiting well currently. DD has gotten worse every year. He is running out of kids LK laid the groundwork on like AJ Johnson. The rest of DD best players besides CP are LK guys . Dooley has been average to below average. We are 9th or 10th right now in the SEC.

Lighten up Nancy, LOL.

Fans ARE allowed to have some fun and talk a little smack especially against their most hated arch rivals.

My Titans play in the AFC South division so we play the Indy Dolts, the Houston tOxins and the Jacksonville Hags, not the Jags, the Hags...It's all in jest and some fan FUN but I guess you don't think fans should be allowed to have any fun, LOL!

Next, please learn to read my friend and NOT make things up yourself to attempt to further your hate and fire CDD agenda.

I NEVER said other top SEC teams have 40 to 60 future NFL players that would get DRAFTED I said ONLY future NFL players.

Many that don't get drafted do play in the NFL.

A perfect example is a former Tennessee RB that was NOT drafted but the Houston tOxins were short on RB's so they brought him in for camp and gave the guy a chance and he made the practice squad, then a RB was hurt so he was activated and he ran well, caught the ball out of the backfield well and worked hard to learn everything.

NOT drafted but IS playing in the NFL...You probably don't know him but his last name is Foster, former Vol and he's now earning BIG $$$ as a really good RB even though he wasn't drafted by any NFL team, LOL.

Pay attention please because I NEVER said that CDD is a GREAT recruiter.

CDD is a good recruiter and I believe he's proven that already.

Tennessee was under NCAA investigations when CDD got here and we had really bad seasons for most of 10 years especially by our UT Vols standards of what a good season should be.

Despite everything being stacked against us and all the other teams coaches constantly telling all the recruits that Tennessee sucks CDD and staff worked hard and we still brought in some good football players.

LOast year most everyone on here said all our O linemen and RB's sucked and we'd never have a good running game until we got SEC type O linemen and RB's....WRONG!

CDD said he's fix our running game and he did.

Please go tell Hunter, Patterson, Mccullers, Sentimore, Randolph, McNeil, AJ, Maggitt, Stone and many others on our current Vols roster that they suck and that CDD can't recruit worth crap, LOL!

You don't see any improvements because you CHOOSE and simply REFUSE to see any improvements because it doesn't fit you hate and fire CDD agenda.

I do NOT support any coaches...I support my Tennessee Vols and that means whoever the coaches or players are no matter how good or how bad the season is because I love my Vols.

I'd also guess that you're 1 of the delusional people on here that doesn't believe our recruits and their parents come on here to read about our Vols too, LOL!

The ONLY person that will decide who coaches my Vols next Season is AD Hart and if he decides we need a new coaching staff then that's fine with me and I'll support the new coaches just like i've supported every coach and player at Tennessee for 50 years.

There's nothing that anyone here on VN can say that will make 1 tiny little difference on what AD Hart decides to do BUT you most definately CAN hurt our recruiting efforts even if you refuse to believe that.

Maybe you just never heard of the internet age, LOL.

VFL...GBO!!!