Most of the Volnation is very unrealistic!

Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!

The schedule is going to be like that every year, stop making excuses.
 
Dooley supporters just make up things and say things that make no sense to make him look better. I honestly don't know if they are trolling or just that ignorant.


You don't seem to read many of my posts my friend because I've stated many times that I'm NOT a supporter of CDD or any coach.

I support my Tennessee Vols and that DOES include whoever our coaches and players are at the time.

I also believe in being honest and when credit is due then give that earned credit.

As a business owner for 30 years I also let emotions go and do a honest and thorough analysis of everything from A to Z and look to see where problems are and how they can be fixed.

Do I believe that CDD and all our coaches suck as most immature people on here say constantly...Not at all.

Do I believe we aren't up equal with player talent as the other top SEC teams...Yes, I think we need another year or 2 of decent recruiting to even the talen levels.

Do I believe we're better and more competitive than last year...Yes but all smart people knew it would take 2 years to get our 3-4 defense down pat and playing well like Saban at bama and Kelly at Notra Dame have done in their 3 years working on their 3-4 D.

You should read what I say rather than try to spin it to fit your personal agenda my friend.

I think if AD Hart keeps CDD and CSS for another year we'll Win against some or most top SEC teams and will have a legit shot to Win the S#C East next season.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
If expecting UT to beat ranked teams at least 50% of the time, and 75-90% of the time at home, is unrealistic(In your mind) then you are a severely uninformed, or a very young Vol fan. This is TENNESSEE. We beat ranked teams!! We expect to effect the National Championship, in some manner. We expect to be in the mix, more often than not.

If you want to settle for "Competing" then YOU ARE NO FAN!! Please take your "It's great to compete" attitude to UK or Vandy, please.
 
You don't seem to read many of my posts my friend because I've stated many times that I'm NOT a supporter of CDD or any coach.

I support my Tennessee Vols and that DOES include whoever our coaches and players are at the time.

I also believe in being honest and when credit is due then give that earned credit.

As a business owner for 30 years I also let emotions go and do a honest and thorough analysis of everything from A to Z and look to see where problems are and how they can be fixed.

Do I believe that CDD and all our coaches suck as most immature people on here say constantly...Not at all.

Do I believe we aren't up equal with player talent as the other top SEC teams...Yes, I think we need another year or 2 of decent recruiting to even the talen levels.

Do I believe we're better and more competitive than last year...Yes but all smart people knew it would take 2 years to get our 3-4 defense down pat and playing well like Saban at bama and Kelly at Notra Dame have done in their 3 years working on their 3-4 D.

You should read what I say rather than try to spin it to fit your personal agenda my friend.

I think if AD Hart keeps CDD and CSS for another year we'll Win against some or most top SEC teams and will have a legit shot to Win the S#C East next season.

VFL...GBO!!!

At Oregon: Loss
At FL: Loss
UGA: Loss
At Bama: Loss
SCar: Loss

You call us crazy for wanting a coaching change?

With DD on the sideline (or pressbox) we lose all of those games, depth isn't getting any better because of mediocre recruiting (which will get worse next year) and UT will lose even more money. I am speechless at the thought of you believing we can beat MOST of the top SEC teams, that is absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention, AU will be getting a new coach to lead a very talented team and Vandy and Mizzou will be better.
 
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You don't seem to read many of my posts my friend because I've stated many times that I'm NOT a supporter of CDD or any coach.

I support my Tennessee Vols and that DOES include whoever our coaches and players are at the time.

I also believe in being honest and when credit is due then give that earned credit.

As a business owner for 30 years I also let emotions go and do a honest and thorough analysis of everything from A to Z and look to see where problems are and how they can be fixed.

Do I believe that CDD and all our coaches suck as most immature people on here say constantly...Not at all.

Do I believe we aren't up equal with player talent as the other top SEC teams...Yes, I think we need another year or 2 of decent recruiting to even the talen levels.

Do I believe we're better and more competitive than last year...Yes but all smart people knew it would take 2 years to get our 3-4 defense down pat and playing well like Saban at bama and Kelly at Notra Dame have done in their 3 years working on their 3-4 D.

You should read what I say rather than try to spin it to fit your personal agenda my friend.

I think if AD Hart keeps CDD and CSS for another year we'll Win against some or most top SEC teams and will have a legit shot to Win the S#C East next season.

VFL...GBO!!!


:lolabove:

Notice he claims to remove emotions from his posts, but then only speaks to the positives(at least in his mind) in EVERY post he makes. How can you run a business and be successful if you ignore or choose to look over the negatives? Your employees may have great smiles, have wonderful customer service skills, and produce sales for the company. You would spout off how great they are. The fact that every one of them is stealing funds from the company and your about bankrupt would be kept quiet right? "Must support in a positive manner no matter what"!!:eek:lol:

Vince, we have caught on to your game.
 
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You don't seem to read many of my posts my friend because I've stated many times that I'm NOT a supporter of CDD or any coach.

I support my Tennessee Vols and that DOES include whoever our coaches and players are at the time.

I also believe in being honest and when credit is due then give that earned credit.

As a business owner for 30 years I also let emotions go and do a honest and thorough analysis of everything from A to Z and look to see where problems are and how they can be fixed.

Do I believe that CDD and all our coaches suck as most immature people on here say constantly...Not at all.


Do I believe we aren't up equal with player talent as the other top SEC teams...Yes, I think we need another year or 2 of decent recruiting to even the talen levels.


Do I believe we're better and more competitive than last year...Yes but all smart people knew it would take 2 years to get our 3-4 defense down pat and playing well like Saban at bama and Kelly at Notra Dame have done in their 3 years working on their 3-4 D.

You should read what I say rather than try to spin it to fit your personal agenda my friend.

I think if AD Hart keeps CDD and CSS for another year we'll Win against some or most top SEC teams and will have a legit shot to Win the S#C East next season.

VFL...GBO!!!

First, just a few comments for you to get those orange colored glasses a little ole' spit shine.

1) I appreciate your knowledge as a "business owner" but to just to let you know in case you haven't paid attention--Dooley isn't coming through--his record and all the stats all point in one direction--there needs to be a change made. I'll throw out a few damning stats 1) Only TWO SEC teams have started out 3 straight seasons 0-5---that would be US and Vanderbilt--2) Dooley hasn't beaten one ranked team not ONE--in fact we last to Kentucky last year and that is frankly alarming for a football program that aspires to be winning SEC and BCS Championships..that is completely UNACCEPTABLE.

2) Dooley has replaced most of his coaching staff...do they suck you are da#$* right they do..there is a problem all across the board and like you may know sir, leadership and success starts at the top and so does FAILURE for that matter.

3) I think you are the only one that thinks that...you hold onto that belief and perhaps it will keep you warm at night. I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that you are wrong. Dooley is gone and that's the bottom line.

I think you are like a lot of Tennessee fans---you're so blinded by this losing mentality you can't see the forest for the trees. We aren't South Florida, Louisville or some other program. This progam's ceiling for success should be higher each and every year because of the resources we have at our disposal. I can give Dooley a pass for year 1 and maybe even 2 but year 3 was supposed to be progress. There has been none--it's time to cut the cord.
 
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First, just a few comments for you to get those orange colored glasses a little ole' spit shine.

1) I appreciate your knowledge as a "business owner" but to just to let you know in case you haven't paid attention--Dooley isn't coming through--his record and all the stats all point in one direction--there needs to be a change made. I'll throw out a few damning stats 1) Only TWO teams have started out 3 straight seasons 0-5---that would be US and Vanderbilt--2) Dooley hasn't beaten one ranked team not ONE--in fact we last to Kentucky last year and that is frankly alarming for a football program that aspires to be winning SEC and BCS Championships..that is completely UNACCEPTABLE.

2) Dooley has replaced most of his coaching staff...do they suck you are da#$* right they do..there is a problem all across the board and like you may no sir, if leadership and success starts at the top and so does FAILURE for that matter.

3) I think you are the only one that thinks that...you hold onto that belief and perhaps it will keep you warm at night. I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that you are wrong. Dooley is gone and that's the bottom line

I think you are a lot of Tennessee fans---you're so blinded by this losing mentality you can't see the forest for the trees. We aren't South Florida, Louisville or some other program. This progam's ceiling for success should be higher each and every year because of the resources we have at our disposal. I can give Dooley a pass for year 1 and maybe even 2 but year 3 must supposed to be progress. There has been none--it's time to cut the cord.

Sigh. Read your post, well some of it, and figured it as a feeble attempt to post "facts" without context. Same thing faux news does. They believe the **** the say, but when put to the test, they go to commercial. Lets look at your "fact" number one - Since when did we start out 0-5 the past 3 seasons? Your fact number two - When did we "last" to Kentucky?

Your turn genius.
 
Sigh. Read your post, well some of it, and figured it as a feeble attempt to post "facts" without context. Same thing faux news does. They believe the **** the say, but when put to the test, they go to commercial. Lets look at your "fact" number one - Since when did we start out 0-5 the past 3 seasons? Your fact number two - When did we "last" to Kentucky?

Your turn genius.

I think he meant to say 0-5 in the SEC.

So here are some facts, of course I only expect you to read "some of it."

2010 FOOTBALL SCHEDULE

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/04/10 vs. Tennessee-Martin Knoxville, Tenn. W, 50-0
09/11/10 vs. Oregon Knoxville, Tenn. L, 48-13
09/18/10 vs. Florida * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 31-17
09/25/10 vs. UAB Knoxville, Tenn. W, 32-29 (2OT)
10/02/10 at LSU * Baton Rouge, La. L, 16-14
10/09/10 at Georgia * Athens, Ga. L, 41-14
10/23/10 vs. Alabama * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 41-10

10/30/10 at South Carolina * Columbia, S.C. L, 38-24
11/06/10 at Memphis Memphis, Tenn. W, 50-14
11/13/10 vs. Mississippi * Knoxville, Tenn. W, 52-14
11/20/10 at Vanderbilt * Nashville, Tenn. W, 24-10
11/27/10 vs. Kentucky * Knoxville, Tenn. W, 24-14
12/30/10 vs. North Carolina Nashville, Tenn. L, 30-27 (2OT)

2011 Tennessee Football Schedule

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

09/03/11 vs. Montana Knoxville, Tenn. W, 42-16
09/10/11 vs. Cincinnati Knoxville, Tenn. W, 45-23
09/17/11 at Florida * Gainesville, Fla. L, 33-23
10/01/11 vs. Buffalo Knoxville, Tenn. W, 41-10
10/08/11 vs. Georgia * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 20-12
10/15/11 vs. LSU * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 38-7
10/22/11 at Alabama * Tuscaloosa, Ala. L, 37-6
10/29/11 vs. South Carolina * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 14-3

11/05/11 vs. Middle Tennessee State Knoxville, Tenn. W, 24-0
11/12/11 at Arkansas * Fayetteville, Ark. L, 49-7
11/19/11 vs. Vanderbilt * Knoxville, Tenn. W, 27-21 (OT)
11/26/11 at Kentucky * Lexington, Ky. L, 10-7
04/21/12 DISH Orange & White Game Knoxville, Tenn. W, 17-14

2012 Tennessee Football Schedule

08/31/12 vs. North Carolina State Georgia Dome (Atlanta, Ga.) W, 35-21
09/08/12 vs. Georgia State Knoxville, Tenn. W, 51-13
09/15/12 vs. Florida * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 37-20
09/22/12 vs. Akron Knoxville, Tenn. W, 47-26
09/29/12 at Georgia * Athens, Ga. L, 51-44
10/13/12 at Mississippi State * Starkville, Miss. L, 41-31
10/20/12 vs. Alabama * Knoxville, Tenn. L, 44-13
10/27/12 at South Carolina * Columbia, S.C. L, 38-35

11/03/12 vs. Troy Knoxville, Tenn. 12:00 p.m. ET
11/10/12 vs. Missouri * Knoxville, Tenn. 12:21 p.m. ET
11/17/12 at Vanderbilt * Nashville, Tenn. TBA
11/24/12 vs. Kentucky * Knoxville, Tenn. TBA
 
Sigh. Read your post, well some of it, and figured it as a feeble attempt to post "facts" without context. Same thing faux news does. They believe the **** the say, but when put to the test, they go to commercial. Lets look at your "fact" number one - Since when did we start out 0-5 the past 3 seasons? Your fact number two - When did we "last" to Kentucky?

Your turn genius.

Thanks ***hole---you know what I meant obviously it was "lost" and this would be the third season bright boy.
 
If expecting UT to beat ranked teams at least 50% of the time, and 75-90% of the time at home, is unrealistic(In your mind) then you are a severely uninformed, or a very young Vol fan. This is TENNESSEE. We beat ranked teams!! We expect to effect the National Championship, in some manner. We expect to be in the mix, more often than not.

If you want to settle for "Competing" then YOU ARE NO FAN!! Please take your "It's great to compete" attitude to UK or Vandy, please.


I would expect more intelligience from a Steelers, Braves, and Vols fan! I have been a UT fan for 28 years. I was on the hill from 85-89. I expect more than mediocrity and expect UT to compete for SEC East Titles every year and win atleast 4 SEC East Titles and 2 SEC championships every decade!!! However, replacing Dooley with another unproven coach will not solve the problem. If Hart can get a top five proven college or pro coach to come to UT, fire Dooley immediately. If not, fire Sal or improve the D drastically immediately!!!
 
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If expecting UT to beat ranked teams at least 50% of the time, and 75-90% of the time at home, is unrealistic(In your mind) then you are a severely uninformed, or a very young Vol fan. This is TENNESSEE. We beat ranked teams!! We expect to effect the National Championship, in some manner. We expect to be in the mix, more often than not.

If you want to settle for "Competing" then YOU ARE NO FAN!! Please take your "It's great to compete" attitude to UK or Vandy, please.


I would expect more intelligience from a Steelers, Braves, and Vols fan! I have been a UT fan for 28 years. I was on the hill from 85-89. I expect more than mediocrity and expect UT to compete for SEC East Titles every year and win atleast 4 SEC East Titles and 2 SEC championships every decade!!! However, replacing Dooley with another unproven coach will not solve the problem. If Hart can get a top five proven college or pro coach to come to UT, fire Dooley immediately. If not, fire Sal or improve the D drastically immediately!!!

That's what most people who are calling for DD's head think too, we just think that we can make a good hire (No, Gruden isn't the only option).
 
First, just a few comments for you to get those orange colored glasses a little ole' spit shine.

1) I appreciate your knowledge as a "business owner" but to just to let you know in case you haven't paid attention--Dooley isn't coming through--his record and all the stats all point in one direction--there needs to be a change made. I'll throw out a few damning stats 1) Only TWO SEC teams have started out 3 straight seasons 0-5---that would be US and Vanderbilt--2) Dooley hasn't beaten one ranked team not ONE--in fact we last to Kentucky last year and that is frankly alarming for a football program that aspires to be winning SEC and BCS Championships..that is completely UNACCEPTABLE.

2) Dooley has replaced most of his coaching staff...do they suck you are da#$* right they do..there is a problem all across the board and like you may know sir, leadership and success starts at the top and so does FAILURE for that matter.

3) I think you are the only one that thinks that...you hold onto that belief and perhaps it will keep you warm at night. I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that you are wrong. Dooley is gone and that's the bottom line.

I think you are like a lot of Tennessee fans---you're so blinded by this losing mentality you can't see the forest for the trees. We aren't South Florida, Louisville or some other program. This progam's ceiling for success should be higher each and every year because of the resources we have at our disposal. I can give Dooley a pass for year 1 and maybe even 2 but year 3 was supposed to be progress. There has been none--it's time to cut the cord.



Let me try to help you Mr GRUDENite dreamer so you might actually post a fact or 2 rather than garbage to try and support your delusional agenda that Gruden will ever coach at Tennessee.

1...There's LOTS more to rebuilding a totally destroyed football progam than just the Win/Loss record which is mostly all you and your emotion filled rants ever talk about.

2...You say, in such an immature manner, that all our coaches suck but coaches that DO have SEC Championship rings and National Championship rings would NEVER even get a job on a coaching staff that good if they sucked like you and many other say they do.

3...You always try to blame everything on coaches but never on players or a roster that's still not even close to the rosters we have to play against and talent and the number of really good players on a team DOES matter as does depth, knowledge and experience of those players.

4...1 minute you say all the old coaches ran away to get new jobe BUT the next minute you say CDD replaced them all....Just ADMIT that you have NO IDEA which is was and stop your childish spin to try and fit your agenda or at least WRITE down what you say so you can try to at least be consistent rather than making up things as you go along, LOL!

5...You say in year 3 we're supposed to see progress but you see NONE...LMAO!

You see NONE because you freely CHOOSE to see no progress so it will fit your agenda, LOL!

Last year you said our O linemen sucked.

Last year you said all our RB's sucked.

You said we would NEVER have a running game until we got real SEC type O linement and RB's, LMAO!

CDD said he would fix our running game and he DID that with the SAME O linemen and the SAME RB's as we had last year so Factually you were totally WRONG about all our O linemen and all our RB's, LOL!

You see NO progress but try to LOOK at our current player roster and try to THINK for once my friend.

When CDD got here we might have had 5 or 6 future NFL players on our roster and new CDD has our roster with probably 18 to 20 future NFL players on our roster so I think that IS progress my friend.

Last year we would get totally BLOWN OUT by all the top SEC teams and we were NOT even close to being competitive BUT now this year we HAVE been lots more competitive and if our new 3-4 D was in the 2nd year and we had stopped just 3 to 5 big scoring plays in each game except for Bama we would probably be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 and already be the SEC East championship winner but shame on CDD for trying to have a great Defence like Bama and like Kelly built at Notre Dame, LOL.

OK, enough with another GRUDENite for now but keep dreaming and maybe your agenda and dream might come true.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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^^^This, no team in the country has 40 to 60 NFL players on there roster, not even Bama, not even close! You are saying most teams in the SEC will have 10 to 15 draft picks per year for the next 4 years. You need to check your facts and do some research. I do believe LSU, Bama, USC, UF, and UGA has more talent than us. I don't think MSU does. Mullen just did a good job of exploiting UT's pathetic D!

Sal has been the problem since he stepped on campus. He is a hot head full of hot air that screams and curses his players more than he spends time coaching them up! Yes, he should get in their butts! Yes, he should motivate them. But, you can't force a round piece of wood into a square hole!

He's not that far off talking about Bama being stocked with NFL Talent. They've had 24 guys drafted in the last 4 Drafts. You can easily add 10-15 players being picked up as Free Agents over the course of those 4 years and you easily have 40 NFL players. Same could be said of Georgia (24 drafted over the last 4 drafts), LSU (23), and Florida (18). The Vols? We've had 10 drafted in that same time period. That makes it pretty obvious where our Upper Class talent level and depth has been since CDD got here.
 
Let me try to help you Mr GRUDENite dreamer so you might actually post a fact or 2 rather than garbage to try and support your delusional agenda that Gruden will ever coach at Tennessee.

1...There's LOTS more to rebuilding a totally destroyed football progam than just the Win/Loss record which is mostly all you and your emotion filled rants ever talk about.

2...You say, in such an immature manner, that all our coaches suck but coaches that DO have SEC Championship rings and National Championship rings would NEVER even get a job on a coaching staff that good if they sucked like you and many other say they do.

3...You always try to blame everything on coaches but never on players or a roster that's still not even close to the rosters we have to play against and talent and the number of really good players on a team DOES matter as does depth, knowledge and experience of those players.

4...1 minute you say all the old coaches ran away to get new jobe BUT the next minute you say CDD replaced them all....Just ADMIT that you have NO IDEA which is was and stop your childish spin to try and fit your agenda or at least WRITE down what you say so you can try to at least be consistent rather than making up things as you go along, LOL!

5...You say in year 3 we're supposed to see progress but you see NONE...LMAO!

You see NONE because you freely CHOOSE to see no progress so it will fit your agenda, LOL!

Last year you said our O linemen sucked.

Last year you said all our RB's sucked.

You said we would NEVER have a running game until we got real SEC type O linement and RB's, LMAO!

CDD said he would fix our running game and he DID that with the SAME O linemen and the SAME RB's as we had last year so Factually you were totally WRONG about all our O linemen and all our RB's, LOL!

You see NO progress but try to LOOK at our current player roster and try to THINK for once my friend.

When CDD got here we might have had 5 or 6 future NFL players on our roster and new CDD has our roster with probably 18 to 20 future NFL players on our roster so I think that IS progress my friend.

Last year we would get totally BLOWN OUT by all the top SEC teams and we were NOT even close to being competitive BUT now this year we HAVE been lots more competitive and if our new 3-4 D was in the 2nd year and we had stopped just 3 to 5 big scoring plays in each game except for Bama we would probably be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 and already be the SEC East championship winner but shame on CDD for trying to have a great Defence like Bama and like Kelly built at Notre Dame, LOL.

OK, enough with another GRUDENite for now but keep dreaming and maybe your agenda and dream might come true.

VFL...GBO!!!

Out of sheer curiosity, how long:

1) do you believe it will take before we consistently achieve a 10+ win regular season with CDD at the helm?

2) are you willing to wait on said 10+ win regular season with CDD before being ready to say that he can't achieve a competitive level of success here?
 
At Oregon: Loss
At FL: Loss
UGA: Loss
At Bama: Loss
SCar: Loss

You call us crazy for wanting a coaching change?

With DD on the sideline (or pressbox) we lose all of those games, depth isn't getting any better because of mediocre recruiting (which will get worse next year) and UT will lose even more money. I am speechless at the thought of you believing we can beat MOST of the top SEC teams, that is absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention, AU will be getting a new coach to lead a very talented team and Vandy and Mizzou will be better.
MegaMillions numbers Nostradamus?
 
Out of sheer curiosity, how long:

1) do you believe it will take before we consistently achieve a 10+ win regular season with CDD at the helm?

2) are you willing to wait on said 10+ win regular season with CDD before being ready to say that he can't achieve a competitive level of success here?


My friend, please try to read all my posts before asking such silly questions.

I am NOT a huge supporter of CDD and I'll NEVER be a supporter of any specific coach.

I support my Tennessee Vols and that includes all players and coaches no matter who they are at the time.

IF AD Hart decides we need a new coaching staff and fires this staff then I'll support the nect coaches.

Facts prove that we're much closer to getting Wins against all the best SEC teams right now except for bama and we're closer in only year 3 and with CDD only getting 2 of his recruiting classes on the team than we really should be.

THINK...If our D was in the 2nd year of our 3-4 we would be a much better D already.

THINK...If we had stopped 3 to 5 big plays on D or made a couple more big plays on the O then we would now be a 1 loss tream, ranked top 10 and would be the SEC East Champions.

Majors won a National Championship at Pitt but how many years before he could Win 10 games or a SEC Championship?

How many years did Fulmer win 10 games?

Nick Saban is the best coach/recruiter in college football but what was his record at Michigan State his first 5 years?

I can only guess at the answer to your question my friend but based on the progress I see already and if we get our Defense fixed and we don't lose Bary, Patterson, Hunter and others I honestly believe we'll Win the SEC East next season.

When CDD walked in the door at Tennessee if someone told me we would have a legit shot at a SEC East Championship in just 4 years I would have had serious doubts since most all smart people believed it would take 5 years of good recruiting to stack up against the top SEC East teams since they're loaded with great talent already.

I look at many things from all aspects and not just the Win/loss record and I consider many things rather than to post things based only on emotions and things that just aren't logical at all like everything is all the coaches fault.

Things would be alot nicer around here and we could have more intelligent discussions if most people did these things but on VN emotions run wild, logic is out the window and people can never admit when they make a mistake.

I said all Summer NOT to overexpect too much from this team when most were saying we would Win 9, 10 or more games this season but most were wrong and now they're all upset and overemotional and looking for everything bad rather than to look for anything good or progress that's right in front of their eyes.

It is what is is my friend and that's life here on VN.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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