Most of the Volnation is very unrealistic!

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Over the 2011 SEC Schedule, we scored 86 points to our opponents 228. No way around it, we got our a$$es handed to us.

So far through the 2012 SEC Schedule, we've scored 167 points to our opponents 187. We've still got Mizzou, Vandy, and UK so those number should improve barring a disaster.

You can fight it all you want, and scream and yell to fire Dooley right this second, but that IS improvement in the thickest part of our SEC schedule.
 
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So were Fulmer's in 2005.

He actually lost 17-6 to Urban Meyer.
Then beat a top 5 team in LSU
Then lost to a top 10 Georgia team 27-14
Then lost 6-3 to Alabama
Then Lost by a point to USC 16-15
Then lost to Notre Dame badly after losing Ainge at the half (41-21 badly)

All top 15 teams or better
 
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Merlot said:
So were Fulmer's in 2005.

He actually lost 17-6 to Urban Meyer.
Then beat a top 5 team in LSU
Then lost to a top 10 Georgia team 27-14
Then lost 6-3 to Alabama
Then Lost by a point to USC 16-15
Then lost to Notre Dame badly after losing Ainge at the half (41-21 badly)

All top 15 teams or better
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2004 Notre Dame game was where Ainge got hurt right before the half.
 
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UTChicagoV said:
Over the 2011 SEC Schedule, we scored 86 points to our opponents 228. No way around it, we got our a$$es handed to us.

So far through the 2012 SEC Schedule, we've scored 167 points to our opponents 187. We've still got Mizzou, Vandy, and UK so those number should improve barring a disaster.

You can fight it all you want, and scream and yell to fire Dooley right this second, but that IS improvement in the thickest part of our SEC schedule.
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Losing by less is not improvement, that is simply SHOWING UP.

Win/Loss column improvement is the only improvement that matters in college football. :nono:
 
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Merlot said:
Losing by less is not improvement, that is simply SHOWING UP.

Win/Loss column improvement is the only improvement that matters in college football. :nono:
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Haha I totally agree, and if we take care of business down the stretch, that will show up as improvement in the W/L column. I'm just saying that the Team is actually playing better than last year if you look at it from an objective standpoint. We're not getting blasted out of the stadium anymore by the big dogs. Two MAJOR points of improvement being that we're not getting manhandled on the line and we can run the ball. We have had an inordinate amount of drops at crucial points in the game though (a couple of sure TDs for CP, and some CRITICAL 1st down conversions by JH that killed drives).
 
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ImportedVoL said:
you do not go from a completely depleted team to top 15 in one or even two years.

I will be the first to admit I expected much more then what we were given this year, and I am very disappointed.

But if you look at it without the emotion and with logic.. we have improved, we are scaring the hell out of teams and coaches that blew us out of the stadium last year.

Am I saying I accept mediocrity.. hell no! But I do understand that it cant happen overnight. Anyone that expects that is doomed to a life of disappointment.

If we can get a huge name homerun hire like gruden, we cant pass that up.

But to just blindly say fire dooley when we are not sure who we can get to replace him is just insane IMO.

Test the waters.. see who might be interested, If we are positive we can hit a homerun.. Do it!

If we would be forced to take another chance on someone.. why bring that turmoil on ourselves again?
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I am not totally sold on being disappointed in the teams performance. The offense has pretty much played as advertised. Anyone with any real understanding of defensive concepts and our depth chart could have predicted a rough time on D. What couldn't be predicted was how good UGA, FL and Miss state were and to some extent USCe.

Fans across the nation grossly under-appreciated how good Florida was. Even I didn't think they would be as good as they are. Defensively yes offensively not so much. But I pointed out many times in preseason and before that game the insane amount of talent in that state. Similar misconceptions abounded with UGA they were much better than anyone thought they would be and Miss State didn't exactly come out of nowhere but most has them penciled in as a sure win preseason. A lot of teams that got an L playing them this year had them circled as a win in preseason.

And this is not directed at you imported, but the people that say accepting current reality means accepting mediocrity are utter morons. I can accept that today might not be the best day for a battle but it does not mean I give up on the war. That selfsame attitude is what got us into Vietnam and Iraq. Sometimes one has to know when it's time to STFU and pop smoke to fight another day.

Our fanbase seems to whip itself into a frenzy every week and brainwash itself into thinking we should be beating top 10 teams week in week out with our CURRENT ROSTER. No matter who the coach was in or will be that is not realistic. The only team that could beat Alabama for the past 3 years is Alabama. Period they are just that good it does not mean we can't beat them next year or the year after that but acting like losing to the best teams in the country 3 years in a row with a terrible roster situation make CDD a bad coach and means he cant ever win is stupid.

I am blown away \how people rant about how terrible the secondary is. It has been this bad or worse since EB was drafted. It is a big reason the transition from a 43 to a 34 has been so hard. In a 43 there is a lot less pressure on your secondary in man type situations but because you HAVE to blitz to some extent to get pressure in a 34 your secondary is crucial. Our D's performance is disappointing but not surprising at all given our depth chart and level of competition.
 
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Cartervol said:
Calling Miss St a top 15 team is a reach..
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I am not sure at this point, but they were 7-0 before Alabama. There aren't a whole lot of teams that can claim that. I wouldn't hold the Alabama performance against them too much. Only 2 teams have gotten within less than 30 of them(Michigan and Ole Miss). We'll know more about them after more SEC games.
 
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UTChicagoV said:
Over the 2011 SEC Schedule, we scored 86 points to our opponents 228. No way around it, we got our a$$es handed to us.

So far through the 2012 SEC Schedule, we've scored 167 points to our opponents 187. We've still got Mizzou, Vandy, and UK so those number should improve barring a disaster.

You can fight it all you want, and scream and yell to fire Dooley right this second, but that IS improvement in the thickest part of our SEC schedule.
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My friend...Don't you know that using facts and solid logic is NOT allowed here on VN.

You're only allowed to post based on immaturity, emotions and trying to get many others to like you so you never object, post facts or logic and only go along with everyone else, LOL!

Never point our proven improvements like we now have 18 to 20 future NFL players at UT thanks to CDD but that the other top SEC teams have 40 to 60 future NFL players so we're not quite equal on the player roster just yet.

Never point out that we can run the ball and that CDD fixed that like he said he would when most everyone here was WRONG when they said our O linemen and RB's totally sucked.

Never point out the obvious improvements on special teams like we're covering Kickoffs and punts much better and the other teams can't flip the field so easily like they were doing.

Very few, if any, college teams have kicking/coaching experts on the team so all a ST coach or a HC can do is try to teach it because they can't show it themselves which IS WHY many kickers pay to go to Professional kicking schools during the summer but NO coach can make a kid pay to do that.

Never point out real improvements like we WERE getting totally BLOWN OUT last year but this year we ARE competitive even against the best SEC teams excluding Bama so we ARE close.

Never state a fact like if only 3 to 5 PLAYS per game had gone differently we could be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 and have already Won the SEC East and now be trying to figure out how to beat Bama in the SEC Championship game.

Never try to teach all these expert coaches and AD's on here that in the NFL it still takes 2 YEARS to learn everything on the 3-4 defense and that if our D was just 3 to 5 plays per game better we could easily be a 1 loss team, ect, ect.

People will only learn things when they WANT to learn things.

People will only admit facts, logic and truth when they WANT to admit them.

Most on here will NEVER admit they were totally OVERexpecting this season when they said we could Win 9, 10 or more games or that they were totally WRONG when they said our O linemen and RB's totally sucked and we'd never run the ball well until we recruited much better O linemen and RB's.

Take all the facts, proof and logic and toss it all in the trash because everything is NEVER the players fault..it's always all the coaches fault, LOL!

CJC calls the plays but Bray never changes plays at the line since he knows he has the coaches by the short hairs and they have zero options to go to except Worley that's only a Soph and isn't ready to take it all over but we all know Bray is so mature that he throws beer bottles at cars so he would never take advantage over coaches that have no other serious options, LOL!

We ARE much closer to being a SEC East Powerhouse again than we've been since Fulmer was fired but the experts here on VN will never admit that because they would have to admit they were wrong and that doesn't fit their agenda so it's easier to hate on CDD and our coaching staff and pray that Saint Gruden that was FIRED as a FAILURE of a coach will come to Tennessee and we'll never again lose more than 1 game per season, LOL.

CDD has 2 of HIS recruiting classes on the team so I have no idea if he can win us a National Championship or not when we get our roster build up even with the top SEC teams and NOBODY else on here knows if he can get it done or not either.

W's and L's never tell the entire story when you're totally rebuilding an entire program that everyone knew would take 4 to 5 years.

Whatever AD Hart decides to do will be fine with me because I love my Vols and I'll support every player and coach no matter what.

Firing CDD just might turn out to be a huge mistake though since he could fix the defense just like he fixed our running game.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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PimpVol said:
Some of the Athletic Directors on this board post as if Dooley took over a top 20 team and proceeded to go out and lose to a bunch of subpar teams.
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Yes, it's far too much for Volunteer fans to expect to be better than Vanderbilt or Kentucky after three years of Dooley. Any realistic person should know this will take at least ten years. So we should just be patient and accept the fact that we will suck for the next decade while, hopefully, Dooley learns how to become a successful coach. We should just become accustome to loosing and accept the fact that we are loosing to good teams, much the way Vandy and Ky have. What you are saying we should accept our cellar position.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!
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O_O

I don't really know what to say.

Maybe we should join the ACC. Our record could be pretty good then. /barf
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
My friend...Don't you know that using facts and solid logic is NOT allowed here on VN.

You're only allowed to post based on immaturity, emotions and trying to get many others to like you so you never object, post facts or logic and only go along with everyone else, LOL!

Never point our proven improvements like we now have 18 to 20 future NFL players at UT thanks to CDD but that the other top SEC teams have 40 to 60 future NFL players so we're not quite equal on the player roster just yet.

Never point out that we can run the ball and that CDD fixed that like he said he would when most everyone here was WRONG when they said our O linemen and RB's totally sucked.

Never point out the obvious improvements on special teams like we're covering Kickoffs and punts much better and the other teams can't flip the field so easily like they were doing.

Very few, if any, college teams have kicking/coaching experts on the team so all a ST coach or a HC can do is try to teach it because they can't show it themselves which IS WHY many kickers pay to go to Professional kicking schools during the summer but NO coach can make a kid pay to do that.

Never point out real improvements like we WERE getting totally BLOWN OUT last year but this year we ARE competitive even against the best SEC teams excluding Bama so we ARE close.

Never state a fact like if only 3 to 5 PLAYS per game had gone differently we could be a 1 loss team, ranked in the top 10 and have already Won the SEC East and now be trying to figure out how to beat Bama in the SEC Championship game.

Never try to teach all these expert coaches and AD's on here that in the NFL it still takes 2 YEARS to learn everything on the 3-4 defense and that if our D was just 3 to 5 plays per game better we could easily be a 1 loss team, ect, ect.

People will only learn things when they WANT to learn things.

People will only admit facts, logic and truth when they WANT to admit them.

Most on here will NEVER admit they were totally OVERexpecting this season when they said we could Win 9, 10 or more games or that they were totally WRONG when they said our O linemen and RB's totally sucked and we'd never run the ball well until we recruited much better O linemen and RB's.

Take all the facts, proof and logic and toss it all in the trash because everything is NEVER the players fault..it's always all the coaches fault, LOL!

CJC calls the plays but Bray never changes plays at the line since he knows he has the coaches by the short hairs and they have zero options to go to except Worley that's only a Soph and isn't ready to take it all over but we all know Bray is so mature that he throws beer bottles at cars so he would never take advantage over coaches that have no other serious options, LOL!

We ARE much closer to being a SEC East Powerhouse again than we've been since Fulmer was fired but the experts here on VN will never admit that because they would have to admit they were wrong and that doesn't fit their agenda so it's easier to hate on CDD and our coaching staff and pray that Saint Gruden that was FIRED as a FAILURE of a coach will come to Tennessee and we'll never again lose more than 1 game per season, LOL.

CDD has 2 of HIS recruiting classes on the team so I have no idea if he can win us a National Championship or not when we get our roster build up even with the top SEC teams and NOBODY else on here knows if he can get it done or not either.

W's and L's never tell the entire story when you're totally rebuilding an entire program that everyone knew would take 4 to 5 years.

Whatever AD Hart decides to do will be fine with me because I love my Vols and I'll support every player and coach no matter what.

Firing CDD just might turn out to be a huge mistake though since he could fix the defense just like he fixed our running game.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Fact 0-5 in SEC for the third straight year under Dooley. Fact 0-15 agsinst ranked opponents with a loss to Ky under Dooley. Those are the facts and statistics that back them up. So, in your mind is where the improvements have been made. Just as far from a " powerhouse" as when he started.
Furthermore, I seem to remember almost beating LSU his first year, the 13 men on the field deal. The year before he took over we almost beat BAMA, Cody blocked the field goal with his arm pit. We haven't had anything like that close of a win against teams that good since. So, your criteria of improvement is obviously flawed!
 
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deckerkd said:
Yes, it's far too much for Volunteer fans to expect to be better than Vanderbilt or Kentucky after three years of Dooley. Any realistic person should know this will take at least ten years. So we should just be patient and accept the fact that we will suck for the next decade while, hopefully, Dooley learns how to become a successful coach. We should just become accustome to loosing and accept the fact that we are loosing to good teams, much the way Vandy and Ky have. What you are saying we should accept our cellar position.
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I don't put much credibility in someone that can't spell losing correctly my friend.

Loose is when your belt is too big and doesn't fit correctly.

It's also NOT about coaching my friend...It's about ONLY having 18 to 20 future NFL players on our Vols team trying to compete against the best SEC teams that already have 40 to 60 future NFL players on their teams.

Bama is basically a NFL team right now and most of the other teams have DOUBLE or more of the future NFL players than we have.

The player talent level is NOT close to even just yet but we ARE already competitive and we COULD have Won every game except bama if our defense had just stopped 3 to 5 scoring plays that were BIG plays in each game.

If we had done that we would now be a 1 loss team and we would be ranked in the top 10 and we would be the SEC East Champions already.

In a race against other race horses you can NOT expect to Win when you only have a mule to compete with buddy.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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patrick said:
So it's ok to lose our first five conference games for the past 3 years as long as those losses are to teams in the top 15... And it's ok to be a bottom feeder in the SEC since the SEC is such a strong conference! So Tennessee fans should accept losing on a regular basis.

Well you know what, the SEC has been the dominate conference since the BCS started. And the SEC shows no signs of weakening. So I guess Tennessee fans should accept being worse than average in perpetuity!

GTFO!!!! Tennessee does not need fans that accept mediocrity!
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Dude, crawl back into your parents basement until you learn some manners. I am as competitive or more competitive than most! Also, read the words below my screen name that have been there for more than a year.

Just because some fans want whoever ultimately made the majority of the decision to hire Sal gone. That doesn't mean we accept mediocrity. It means we don't want another unproven coach to replace the unproven coach we have that has improved our team with some high character athletes!!!

Am I saying we shouldn't hire a Gruden, Cowher, Tomlin, Spurrier, Miles, Saban type coach to replace Dooley? No, I am not saying that nonsense. I am saying unless one molded like those guys will come to UT. I don't want another guessing game and decision to replace a still unproven coach who has recruited well, held the players to high standards off the field, and has made strides in the team production, except Sals D!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
I don't put much credibility in someone that can't spell losing correctly my friend.

Loose is when your belt is too big and doesn't fit correctly.

It's also NOT about coaching my friend...It's about ONLY having 18 to 20 future NFL players on our Vols team trying to compete against the best SEC teams that already have 40 to 60 future NFL players on their teams.

Bama is basically a NFL team right now and most of the other teams have DOUBLE or more of the future NFL players than we have.

The player talent level is NOT close to even just yet but we ARE already competitive and we COULD have Won every game except bama if our defense had just stopped 3 to 5 scoring plays that were BIG plays in each game.

If we had done that we would now be a 1 loss team and we would be ranked in the top 10 and we would be the SEC East Champions already.

In a race against other race horses you can NOT expect to Win when you only have a mule to compete with buddy.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Here you go making up things again. We have more high draft picks on offense than anyone we played. On d we have a few who will be NFL players . This is comparable to most teams we play. We out talent MSU easily. Coaching is the problem. We had less talent and experience but a better d last year. NO TEAM has 40 to 60 NFL players.
 
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k-town_king said:
Here you go making up things again. We have more high draft picks on offense than anyone we played. On d we have a few who will be NFL players . This is comparable to most teams we play. We out talent MSU easily. Coaching is the problem. We had less talent and experience but a better d last year. NO TEAM has 40 to 60 NFL players.
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^^^This, no team in the country has 40 to 60 NFL players on there roster, not even Bama, not even close! You are saying most teams in the SEC will have 10 to 15 draft picks per year for the next 4 years. You need to check your facts and do some research. I do believe LSU, Bama, USC, UF, and UGA has more talent than us. I don't think MSU does. Mullen just did a good job of exploiting UT's pathetic D!

Sal has been the problem since he stepped on campus. He is a hot head full of hot air that screams and curses his players more than he spends time coaching them up! Yes, he should get in their butts! Yes, he should motivate them. But, you can't force a round piece of wood into a square hole!
 
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volsgrad89 said:
Do you guys realize all 5 losses are to SEC (hands down the toughest conference in college football, unprecedented) teams in the top 15 of the BCS with a combined record of 36-5? Of course, all 5 losses are to those in the top 15 of the BCS. Do you remember UT was competitive in all 5 losses except 1? Do you realize no one has been competitive with Bama this year? Do you realize that UT had a very good chance of winning 3 of those games with last years DC? Whoever brought in an unproven DC needs to be fired now!!! If it was ultimately Dooley, see ya Dooley. If not, fire whoever brought in Sal. The D is PATHETIC!!!
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So you accept being in the bottom of the SEC with jubilation?

I think everyone is upset because we aren't good enough to be ranked in the BCS beside our SEC colleagues.
 
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k-town_king said:
Here you go making up things again. We have more high draft picks on offense than anyone we played. On d we have a few who will be NFL players . This is comparable to most teams we play. We out talent MSU easily. Coaching is the problem. We had less talent and experience but a better d last year. NO TEAM has 40 to 60 NFL players.
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We do have alot of NFL talent on this team. The problem I see is some of our NFL talent is not being coached well at all. There is a good chance that coaching has cost Bray, Hunter, AJ, and other guys money to this point. They will not go as high in the draft when their film is broken down and NFL guys see their lack of coaching they have got here. Bray has clearly tumbled down the draft board if he were to leave this year. Players are expected to progress each year with good coaching. That is something we lack here at Tennessee.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
^^^This, no team in the country has 40 to 60 NFL players on there roster, not even Bama, not even close! You are saying most teams in the SEC will have 10 to 15 draft picks per year for the next 4 years. You need to check your facts and do some research. I do believe LSU, Bama, USC, UF, and UGA has more talent than us. I don't think MSU does. Mullen just did a good job of exploiting UT's pathetic D!

Sal has been the problem since he stepped on campus. He is a hot head full of hot air that screams and curses his players more than he spends time coaching them up! Yes, he should get in their butts! Yes, he should motivate them. But, you can't force a round piece of wood into a square hole!
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Dooley supporters just make up things and say things that make no sense to make him look better. I honestly don't know if they are trolling or just that ignorant.
 
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deckerkd said:
Yes, it's far too much for Volunteer fans to expect to be better than Vanderbilt or Kentucky after three years of Dooley. Any realistic person should know this will take at least ten years. So we should just be patient and accept the fact that we will suck for the next decade while, hopefully, Dooley learns how to become a successful coach. We should just become accustome to loosing and accept the fact that we are loosing to good teams, much the way Vandy and Ky have. What you are saying we should accept our cellar position.
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Nope. I said what I said. Nice diatribe though.
 
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