Most important hire: Strength and Conditioning

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goldenvol said:
What if Rock is retained?

I don't think he was the problem.

I think the main problem with our team was that Butch let the prisoners run the prison.

I believe the main thing this program needs is discipline and work ethic.
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u guys realize S&C is not just football? why the heck would we fire Rock?
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
Gruden. No not him, his son.
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USMC-TNVOL said:
They just got Rock last year, a NFL guy. I think Butch was the real problem. We should keep him unless Pruitt decides differently.
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I think Rock gets the blame due to the team making his hiring a big deal. He was going to fix the problems from 2016. He was going to make a difference and well...ya’ know.

That said this was on Butch and his culture. These players weren’t held responsible and it showed.
 
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Sat330pmAppt said:
Respectfully disagree.

Too many off-season injuries.
Too many early collapsing pockets.
Too many pushes of the DL three yards off the ball.
Too many times the defense was gassed.
Too many times we lost.

We did not win the line of scrimmage consistently against one SEC team.

We gave up 600 yards in total offense in 4 games.

We broke down.

The Jennings injury in ATL was a freak play, but Callaway stepped up - hence the need to continually develop the second string through strength & conditioning.

The S&C staff will have daily contact with the players. There are periods where the regular coaching staff cannot run practices.

JMHO
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Rock is going get blame for our S&C woes when in truth that falls squarely on Butch and his "optional S&C program" in 2016.
 
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UTVOLS1614 said:
over rated topic. yes the weight room is vital to building a program no question about that. maybe one of the most important aspects, but the best strength and conditioning coach cant prevent injuries. Our number 1WR went down second quarter of first game with a helmet to the wrist. whose gonna prevent that. theres a matter of luck to it at well and Tennessee just hasnt had that
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Probably, some injuries might not be caused by helmet to wrist. Possible???
 
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Wow. You guys do realize that Rock has only been here since January right? Things like strength and conditioning programs take a little bit of time to implement and become effective. But hey obviously we just need to fire Rock because he hasnt turned us around it immediately. SMH.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow. You guys do realize that Rock has only been here since January right? Things like strength and conditioning programs take a little bit of time to implement and become effective. But hey obviously we just need to fire Rock because he hasnt turned us around it immediately. SMH.
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I believe he stated it would take about two years before seeing any results.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow. You guys do realize that Rock has only been here since January right? Things like strength and conditioning programs take a little bit of time to implement and become effective. But hey obviously we just need to fire Rock because he hasnt turned us around it immediately. SMH.
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Agree I'm sure cjp will evaluate. Hard to say though rock was a problem, much less the problem:thumbsup:
 
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pimo1 said:
u guys realize S&C is not just football? why the heck would we fire Rock?
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Yes, strength and conditioning is for every athletic program, but football coach usually has final say on head strength coach. It's a member of the coaches staff.

Why would Pruitt not have final say on a position as critical as strength coach.
 
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YES! I think this has been a weak point for too long. Some of our injuries were just fluke, but multiple years where player after player goes down tells me there's a problem.
 
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I remember when we played Troy a few years back they were talking about how they would carry telephone poles around...probably not safe but definitely makes the team work together. I believe they put a big scare in Dooley that day as well.
 
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There wasn't anyway that Rock was going to get our players up to par in less than a year after not having a S&C coach the previous year. It simply doesn't work that way. He should keep Rock simply for the continuity of the players already doing his program.
 
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Sat330pmAppt said:
Respectfully disagree.

Too many off-season injuries.
Too many early collapsing pockets.
Too many pushes of the DL three yards off the ball.
Too many times the defense was gassed.
Too many times we lost.

We did not win the line of scrimmage consistently against one SEC team.

We gave up 600 yards in total offense in 4 games.

We broke down.

The Jennings injury in ATL was a freak play, but Callaway stepped up - hence the need to continually develop the second string through strength & conditioning.

The S&C staff will have daily contact with the players. There are periods where the regular coaching staff cannot run practices.

JMHO
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Part of this was scheme, finesse offensive and defensive lines suck. Especially in the sec.

Part of this is the offense capitalizing at all and time of possession.

More to this than just strength and conditioning.

Certainly correct on the off season injuries. Those should be rare.

KMAC prime example of a well conditioned player in a bad scheme.

Especially entering as a true freshman, KMAC hasnt had nearly the impact he should have.
 
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vols1707 said:
The Strength and conditioning coaches spend more time with the players that the position coaches or head coach....

IT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DECISION
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No doubt it could be the most underrated position. Case in point: we went from "Grown Ass Men" with Lawson against Nebraska to a bunch of soft, injury prone cream puffs under whatever the interns name was that let the players run the S&C program that let every sec team we faced push us around like a high school team.

I've never witnessed a softer more injury prone squad than what Butch fielded after Lawson left. We used to push people around, now we get pushed around by powerhouses like UMass.

This will be one of the most important hires Pruitt makes!!
 
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HessHallHeath said:
No doubt it could be the most underrated position. Case in point: we went from "Grown Ass Men" with Lawson against Nebraska to a bunch of soft, injury prone cream puffs under whatever the interns name was that let the players run the S&C program that let every sec team we faced push us around like a high school team.

I've never witnessed a softer more injury prone squad than what Butch fielded after Lawson left. We used to push people around, now we get pushed around by powerhouses like UMass.

This will be one of the most important hires Pruitt makes!!
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Our guys don't need another S&C group yet again.
 
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UTVOLS1614 said:
over rated topic. yes the weight room is vital to building a program no question about that. maybe one of the most important aspects, but the best strength and conditioning coach cant prevent injuries. Our number 1WR went down second quarter of first game with a helmet to the wrist. whose gonna prevent that. theres a matter of luck to it at well and Tennessee just hasnt had that
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Put your cigarette back in Patrick “white horse” McLaughlin, your leather helmet back on, and get back in your time machine to the year 1908. Back in your day when everyone that played weighed 180 lbs and ran a 5.4 40 you didn’t need to work out but those days have changed, even minorities play now and the S and C program is as important as any hire on the staff.
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
Part of this was scheme, finesse offensive and defensive lines suck. Especially in the sec.

Part of this is the offense capitalizing at all and time of possession.

More to this than just strength and conditioning.

Certainly correct on the off season injuries. Those should be rare.

KMAC prime example of a well conditioned player in a bad scheme.

Especially entering as a true freshman, KMAC hasnt had nearly the impact he should have.
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All I know is the amount of soft tissue injuries on our team skyrocketed once Lawson was removed as S&C coach. Not to mention how badly we got pushed around on the field the last two seasons. Every team has bad luck but when you sustain a high number of injuries in consecutive seasons, it's not bad luck, it's systemic.

Those of you calling for Coach Pruitt to keep Rock might as well not waste your time. A head coach must trust his S&C coach implicitly and Coach Pruitt has absolutely no relationship with Rock Gullickson whatsoever. Pruitt will bring in his own guy.
 
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