Most frustrating aspect of our defense...

#51
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'Boro-vol said:
Erroneous. Ive been involved in team sports for the better part of 45 years, as a participant, coach, and father of a high school and college athlete.

On the rare occasion when a player won’t respond to coaching, it’s still up to the coach to put somebody in that position that will. Ultimately it falls on the coach. The excuses belong to guys like you.
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Why is it that multiple sports analysts, former Vol players and HoF NFL players have blamed players for their poor execution? Oh wait, I guess you know more than all of them right?
 
#53
#53
'Boro-vol said:
Coaching.
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Yes. BUT
This is something that is taught in high school and before. When college coaches have to teach this fundamental a part of the game, they have a hard time teaching/coaching the kind of things that win games. They should for the most part really only have to teach finer points of technique. Coaching for me are all the other things, like understanding what the other team is doing on a given play, installing a game plan this type of thing. I know I live in a rose colored world.:)
 
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savannahfan said:
Yes. BUT
This is something that is taught in high school and before. When college coaches have to teach this fundamental a part of the game, they have a hard time teaching/coaching the kind of things that win games. They should for the most part really only have to teach finer points of technique. Coaching for me are all the other things, like understanding what the other team is doing on a given play, installing a game plan this type of thing. I know I live in a rose colored world.:)
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The coach is responsible for putting guys on the field that play with proper technique, teaching proper technique, or recruiting new guys who play with proper technique.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
So you say.
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Last years NC game. Bama had the better coach and overall talent. What happened? The players didn’t execute Sagan’s game plan. Last years Super Bowl. Brady played terrible. Was that Belichecks fault? How about when Brady got stripped in the SB against the Eagles? Was that on Belicheck?

How about the first play of the SB when Denver played Seattle? First play the center hikes the ball over Peyton’s head, was that John Fox’s fault? Peyton throwing the INT in the second half vs the Saints in 2009? Was that Caldwell’s fault? How about Jennings dropping a great TD pass against UF? Pruitts fault? How about when guys fumble?

Dak Prescott threw 3 INTs yesterday. Was that Garret’s fault? Last week Mahomes failed to throw a TD pass, was that Andy Reid’s fault?

These are just a very few of the many examples of players failing to execute at a high level. But keep up your ignorance and blindness of what a team sport needs to be successful.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Last years NC game. Bama had the better coach and overall talent. What happened? The players didn’t execute Sagan’s game plan. Last years Super Bowl. Brady played terrible. Was that Belichecks fault? How about when Brady got stripped in the SB against the Eagles? Was that on Belicheck?

How about the first play of the SB when Denver played Seattle? First play the center hikes the ball over Peyton’s head, was that John Fox’s fault? Peyton throwing the INT in the second half vs the Saints in 2009? Was that Caldwell’s fault? How about Jennings dropping a great TD pass against UF? Pruitts fault? How about when guys fumble?

Dak Prescott threw 3 INTs yesterday. Was that Garret’s fault? Last week Mahomes failed to throw a TD pass, was that Andy Reid’s fault?

These are just a very few of the many examples of players failing to execute at a high level. But keep up your ignorance and blindness of what a team sport needs to be successful.
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Was it players failing to execute at a high level, or better coaching by the other team?

The instances you give are isolated, and not a continual failure to perform. We’re seeing the same things happen over and over....especially on defense. Coaching.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
First half, I didn’t really see it as a glaring issue. Matter of fact on most plays we have a guy hitting the receiver as he caught it and taking him down for virtually no YAC.

Second half, guys were tired.

Tackling really wasn’t an issue to me, our problem was with our inability to generate pressure. But even that is somewhat expected given how good that line is.
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Mostly what I saw too. Ga. had the ball
36 min. to our 23. We got tired especially 4th QT, 2 score game with 8 min. left. I also saw a lot of contested
balls. Fromm made Sunday throws all day. We need to be able to generate pressure or we will see more of the same and the bashing of Pruitt will continue. Some people watch the scoreboard and don't know how to watch a football game. I was proud of the team effort and proud of my 13 year old grandson for realizing we need more depth. He is all vol just like his pops.
 
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[QUOTE="DaddyChad, post: 17313031, member: 20588"]Why do these coaches go somewhere else and then be awesome then though? Chavis, Shoop, Wilcox, etc all have went on to be highly successful other places. Here it’s like the damn Bermuda Triangle of coaching, everything you know you forget.[/QUOTE]
They are not HC and in charge, so they can be limited in what they are allowed to do, so yes one can be very good under 1 HC, and handcuffed and struggling under another.
 
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malinoisvol said:
Honest question, who believes the coaches are not teaching tackling fundamentals?
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I know right. We can only teach so many things improperly. 😂

Can’t align, can’t tackle, can’t cover. I think it’s a combination of several issues instead of just coaching. I do think the staff hasn’t helped itself at times as well when they could’ve.
 
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GVol1966 said:
[QUOTE="DaddyChad, post: 17313031, member: 20588"]Why do these coaches go somewhere else and then be awesome then though? Chavis, Shoop, Wilcox, etc all have went on to be highly successful other places. Here it’s like the damn Bermuda Triangle of coaching, everything you know you forget.
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They are not HC and in charge, so they can be limited in what they are allowed to do, so yes one can be very good under 1 HC, and handcuffed and struggling under another.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if it’s merely that or certain offensive systems not playing to the defense’s advantage as well? There’s great OC’s and HC’s that know how to play time of possession and field position to their defense’s advantage.
 
#62
#62
This team reminds me so much of my sons baseball team. Great at practice. Deer in the headlights when they cross the white lines.
 
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#63
The most frustrating part to me was the pass rush. There were several plays where I don't think rushing 4 our players would have ever got Fromm. He literally had as much time as he needed. Then we blitz and he burns us for 70!
 
#64
#64
This is frustrating. What frustrates me is the fact that we're fair catching Every. Single. Kickoff.....
 
#65
#65
GAs RB were big and ran hard. Shamburger was damn determined he wasn’t going to be on a highlight film 40 yrs from now so he just whiffed every time.
 
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#66
I want to blame Pruitt and Ansley like I wanted to blame Shoop. And Sunseri before them. I just can't figure out how this is the one school in the SEC where supposed defensive geniuses go to die. They were highly thought of before Tennessee, and generally land on their feet and resume success when they leave. But at Tennessee, they are hot garbage. Pruitt will get fired in two years, and likely lead LSU or Florida to a title as their DC.
 
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#67
#67
Most frustrating aspect of our defense is....our defense.

It's a mess all around.

Tackling is atrocious. They continue to have alignment issues. Pruitt apparently can't simplify things enough for the players to catch on. LB depth is non existent which is killer for a team wanting to run a 3-4. The d line looks like they are playing powder puff ball at times. The secondary never met a receiver that they would wrap up. My God, how I miss Fred White and Deon Grant.

Other than that, things are pretty good.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Erroneous. Ive been involved in team sports for the better part of 45 years, as a participant, coach, and father of a high school and college athlete.

On the rare occasion when a player won’t respond to coaching, it’s still up to the coach to put somebody in that position that will. Ultimately it falls on the coach. The excuses belong to guys like you.
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Exactly
When guys fail to execute on game day its typically because coaches failed to execute during the week.

There are situations where one team simply cant run as fast, jump as high nor hit as hard as the other team. That requires new talent and or a better S&T program and typically both.

However when guys miscommunicate, fail to line up properly, run the wrong routes and whiff on blocks...that is 100% coaching.

So while the talent argument has a modicum of validity with regard to the upper teams in the SEC it has zero to do with failure to execute plays correctly.
 
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Most frustrating aspect of our defense... Our Offense - you can't go scoreless for a half and have like 30 total yards and expect the D to hold the #3 team in the country scoreless. The fact that they held Georgia to 3 points in the 3rd quarter with a time of possession advantage to Georgia of like 12 minutes to 3 minutes was pretty impressive. Loved the two stuffs on 3rd and 4th and >1. Need much better D line play and more depth but the D is way ahead of the offense as far as getting us to where we can win football games.
 
#70
#70
I'm going to step way out on a limb here, but I'd be willing to bet, virtually everyone of our players played HS football somewhere, and played JHS football somewhere (with few exceptions, such as kickers, and even them). Everyone of them have been taught to tackle, their HS coaches we probably very good at teaching the fundamentals of the tackle. Far too many of our guys, get to Ktown, and suddenly forget how to tackle? Our elite coaching staff can't watch game film and see who is and who is NOT making tackles that they should have made? If they are, it seems as though, a refresher course may be needed, but this is one skill everyone of these guys should have a pretty good handle on when they are recruited. I believe it is called Tackle Football for a reason.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Pretty sure if Pruitt were to go elsewhere he would be an elite DC again. I don’t think he’s become clueless as far as defense. Now idk if he’s got too many irons in the fire so to speak and that’s causing issues but I believe largely the defense is Pruitt not Ansley. I also believe the job is too big for Pruitt right now but I think he’s learning somewhat from week to week.

Inexperienced head coach with a lot of inexperienced players. I still believe he’s an elite recruiter and defensive mind. I think his delegation and management probably sucks right now and he’s learning as he goes.
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I agree that this job is to big for Pruitt. Let me ask a Q? Since when did UT become a "proving ground" for coaches? We are not a mac or american conference team? Can we not hire a coach who has proven HCing abilities. UT and the SEC is not a "learn on the job" opportunity.
 
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I40flyer said:
I'm going to step way out on a limb here, but I'd be willing to bet, virtually everyone of our players played HS football somewhere, and played JHS football somewhere (with few exceptions, such as kickers, and even them). Everyone of them have been taught to tackle, their HS coaches we probably very good at teaching the fundamentals of the tackle. Far too many of our guys, get to Ktown, and suddenly forget how to tackle? Our elite coaching staff can't watch game film and see who is and who is NOT making tackles that they should have made? If they are, it seems as though, a refresher course may be needed, but this is one skill everyone of these guys should have a pretty good handle on when they are recruited. I believe it is called Tackle Football for a reason.
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What works in middle school doesn't in high school, what works in high school doesn't work in college. Everyone practices tackling, blocking, etc etc. Somewhere along the way it's not sinking in with our players.
 
#73
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VolArmy74 said:
What works in middle school doesn't in high school, what works in high school doesn't work in college. Everyone practices tackling, blocking, etc etc. Somewhere along the way it's not sinking in with our players.
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Agree. When I watch (re-watch) some of the games, I can tell you, without reservation, some of the missed tackles would have been made by a large number of Varsity Football players from some of our High Schools. It's either, they have forgotten, or they really don't care.
 
#74
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VolArmy74 said:
What works in middle school doesn't in high school, what works in high school doesn't work in college. Everyone practices tackling, blocking, etc etc. Somewhere along the way it's not sinking in with our players.
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Good Post. At every new level the players have to be taught the techniques for blocking and tackling.
 
#75
#75
I’m not sure that there is one position group on this Vol team that could be considered, well coached, not one
But, we have one of the best coaching staffs in CFB, just doesn’t make sense, does it?
 
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