Morley Gone??

#152
#152
JTrainDavis said:
i'd probably fail too, my best is about 160...but, assuming the class is bowling, effort is probably graded, wherein i'd have a 4.0
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I took bowling at UT my freshman year. A guy with no arms would have no problem earning an A in that class. It's only one credit hour, though. You have to turn in a scorecard at the end of the year with your ten best games on it. I don't even think it matters what your average was. Also, they let you play some different variations of the normal rules that allow you to pretty easily break 200. Finally, if you couldn't manage to break the required average, which I think is something like 75, there is no way for the instructor to know whether or not you lie on your scorecard. Finally, during the last class period, they tell you the answers to all the questions for the final exam (the only written test in the class). There is no freaking way anything less than an A should be acceptable in bowling.
 
#155
#155
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Coaching should have saved him... that is a reflection on Fulmer. Don't throw the kids under the bus... if anybody needs to get walking papers, it's Fulmer.
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The school where I coached most recently had a few guys end up initially ineligible for the season, and a few more end up ineligible on a week-to-week basis. Whose fault is that? Mine?

Give me a break.
 
#156
#156
VolTSX23 said:
Nope not joking at all. Was talking to someone last night that in the Football department and no one could believe that he actually failed bowling.
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I dont understand that...To me, knowing I had a chance at a degree and maybe something more, Id try to put in alittle more effort.
 
#158
#158
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Coaching should have saved him... that is a reflection on Fulmer. Don't throw the kids under the bus... if anybody needs to get walking papers, it's Fulmer.
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No comment on the quote except to say I better not comment.
The statement said kicked out of school even after an appeal, that is a little more final than getting kicked off the team. There comes a time when you have to be a man and not a punk and realize the world doesn't revolve around you and your ability to play ball.
 
#159
#159
It is certainly not CPF's fault that Morley failed. However, if CPF new that he was failing, and suited him up anyway, I think there is some culpability that should be addressed.
 
#160
#160
Lexvol said:
It is certainly not CPF's fault that Morley failed. However, if CPF new that he was failing, and suited him up anyway, I think there is some culpability that should be addressed.
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The guy failed BOWLING , how much culpability should Fulmer have for that?
 
#161
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Lexvol said:
It is certainly not CPF's fault that Morley failed. However, if CPF new that he was failing, and suited him up anyway, I think there is some culpability that should be addressed.
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I think Morley was suspended for the first half against South Carolina because he wasn't going to class :question:
 
#162
#162
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Coaching should have saved him... that is a reflection on Fulmer. Don't throw the kids under the bus... if anybody needs to get walking papers, it's Fulmer.
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Coaching should have saved him? How exactly do you suggest that? Do you suggest they hire a coach to hold every player's hand on the way to class?

They provide football players with tutors and every resource you can think of to help them make it. When they're in trouble, it is very likely they steer them toward classes where they can make good grades to bring up their avg. They have people on staff who monitor progress. They call them in for counselling when they get off track.

If a kid won't go to class, won't take learning serious, etc., there is nothing the coaches can do.

Coaching can only save the careers of kids who are willing.

I went to a small college with a 1AA program that used to be decent. I grew up in the same town as Heath Shuler and saw him, Carl Pickens, Sam Gash, and two of the three Streaters in person (Steve was much better than Jimmy but broke his back in a car accident).

The best player I ever saw was from our area and went to my college. He was a 5'10" 190lb white kid that ran better than a 4.4, benched over 400 lbs and pretty much couldn't be tackled. He played even though he wouldn't study the playbook. The QB told him what to do on every play.

But you've never heard of him. He got kicked out of school and went to work putting up power lines even though he was told that all he had to do is show up for class. They tried to convince him that with just a little effort, he had pro potential. They would call him and wake him up. They had people who would push him out of the dorm... and he still wouldn't do the minimum to stay in school.

Morley might not have been as bad. Maybe he just didn't have the ability to do the academic work (though absenteeism suggests a different problem altogether).

I don't know what UT did for Morley but I'd guarantee that it was way more than the average student gets when they start struggling. Are you really convinced that UT would just let their starting safety go with no effort?


That's called indicting someone on biased assumption. You don't like Fulmer so you assume he has failed every time something goes wrong. He can be blamed for plenty of things... like allowing Casey Clausen to be a 4 year starter or remaining loyal to Sanders after it was obvious the offense was headed in the wrong direction. But he can't be blamed because a horse that's been lead knee deep into a crystal clear pool of water won't open its mouth and drink.
 
#163
#163
sjt18 said:
That's called indicting someone on biased assumption. You don't like Fulmer so you assume he has failed every time something goes wrong. He can be blamed for plenty of things... like allowing Casey Clausen to be a 4 year starter QUOTE]

you're joking right? :banghead2:
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#164
#164
i hate to hear this, and yes it reminds me of james banks, who by the way has enrolled at carson newman. i really liked morley and especially since we signed him under the nose of umiami, who thought he was locked in with them. i would like for us to keep all florida signees if at all possible, i too felt he was one season away from being very very good. so it goes...go vols beat cal.
 
#165
#165
crimedawg12 said:
Pearl and Summit know what their kids grades are!
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look, you all have love fest with coach pearl, no doubt he can coach, but look at his graduation record, and the type of student athlete he brought in (did not two of his recruits get busted with drugs last year in knoxville???) ...look at usouthern indiana graduation record of his players (minus the locals who had academic scholarships who also played bball). hey i dont want to rain on anyones parade but all of the bruce pearl for god stuff, is a little aggravating. he can coach and he will win, but a paragon of the student athlete coach...he aint a polished pearl there!!! fulmer et al have a whole lot more student/athletes to manage, give the guy a freakin break, kids got to take some responsibility.
 
#166
#166
I am sure that all the coaches know their kids grades. But it is a lot easier to keep up with 15 kids rather than 85. Kids fail out of school all the time. The responsibility ultimately falls on Morley and not someone else.
 
#167
#167
gcb/hoosiervol said:
i hate to hear this, and yes it reminds me of james banks, who by the way has enrolled at carson newman. i really liked morley and especially since we signed him under the nose of umiami, who thought he was locked in with them. i would like for us to keep all florida signees if at all possible, i too felt he was one season away from being very very good. so it goes...go vols beat cal.
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He was kicked off Carson-Newman's football team, as well.
 
#168
#168
kptvol said:
He was kicked off Carson-Newman's football team, as well.
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check it out, according to indy star of last week he has reenrolled at carson newman, wants to play one year and cast his lot with nfl. indy star has kept up on banks, recently ran a lengthy article about problems at ut and his seating people at local Fridays, then his dad announced return to carson newman some time over holidays. i would love to see it work out for him. go vols:clap:
 
#169
#169
sjt18 said:
Coaching should have saved him? How exactly do you suggest that? Do you suggest they hire a coach to hold every player's hand on the way to class?

They provide football players with tutors and every resource you can think of to help them make it. When they're in trouble, it is very likely they steer them toward classes where they can make good grades to bring up their avg. They have people on staff who monitor progress. They call them in for counselling when they get off track.

If a kid won't go to class, won't take learning serious, etc., there is nothing the coaches can do.

Coaching can only save the careers of kids who are willing.

I went to a small college with a 1AA program that used to be decent. I grew up in the same town as Heath Shuler and saw him, Carl Pickens, Sam Gash, and two of the three Streaters in person (Steve was much better than Jimmy but broke his back in a car accident).

The best player I ever saw was from our area and went to my college. He was a 5'10" 190lb white kid that ran better than a 4.4, benched over 400 lbs and pretty much couldn't be tackled. He played even though he wouldn't study the playbook. The QB told him what to do on every play.

But you've never heard of him. He got kicked out of school and went to work putting up power lines even though he was told that all he had to do is show up for class. They tried to convince him that with just a little effort, he had pro potential. They would call him and wake him up. They had people who would push him out of the dorm... and he still wouldn't do the minimum to stay in school.

Morley might not have been as bad. Maybe he just didn't have the ability to do the academic work (though absenteeism suggests a different problem altogether).

I don't know what UT did for Morley but I'd guarantee that it was way more than the average student gets when they start struggling. Are you really convinced that UT would just let their starting safety go with no effort?


That's called indicting someone on biased assumption. You don't like Fulmer so you assume he has failed every time something goes wrong. He can be blamed for plenty of things... like allowing Casey Clausen to be a 4 year starter or remaining loyal to Sanders after it was obvious the offense was headed in the wrong direction. But he can't be blamed because a horse that's been lead knee deep into a crystal clear pool of water won't open its mouth and drink.
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great post, but I think they do have a coach responsible for monitoring grades.
 
#171
#171
So it's impossible now for Morley to ever play for UT again, even if he takes summer classes or stays at UT during the spring and gets his credits and raises his GPA.

There has to be a way he can fix it and play at UT maybe not next year but the year after
 
#172
#172
k-sny-vol said:
So it's impossible now for Morley to ever play for UT again, even if he takes summer classes or stays at UT during the spring and gets his credits and raises his GPA.

There has to be a way he can fix it and play at UT maybe not next year but the year after
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I wish him all the best, but UT will be just fine without him. Losing one player won't cripple our team.
 
#173
#173
I know he won't be a huge loss, but that makes our secondary lose 3 starters instead of 2. I really felt DMO was going to be a stud his junior year and step up like Hefney.
 
#174
#174
k-sny-vol said:
So it's impossible now for Morley to ever play for UT again, even if he takes summer classes or stays at UT during the spring and gets his credits and raises his GPA.

There has to be a way he can fix it and play at UT maybe not next year but the year after
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He was academically dismissed. He has to sit out a full year then he can reapply. Just because he reapplies does not mean he will be accepted back into the University. If he wanted to get back in he would need to go to a community school or something like that and get his grades up and show the University he has changed his ways. I'm guessing that even then UTK would not let him back in just because the fact the university got some much crap for taking a player that graduated from University High. In my opinion if Morely would have graduated from a regular high school they might have gave him another chance. I'm pretty sure if Morely wanted to he could go to another University and sit out a year then be able to play.
 
#175
#175
Lexvol said:
It is certainly not CPF's fault that Morley failed. However, if CPF new that he was failing, and suited him up anyway, I think there is some culpability that should be addressed.
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I have personal experience here and they have people go and make sure you are attending classes. He had to have at least been there in every class. they check on a weekly basis. Grades do not come out until the end of the semester while you are at the bowl game. many times professors will not turn in the final grade until the last second and there is no way of knowing unless the student comes forward asking for help. many professors do not care if they are athletes and will not report anything to the coaches. (again I have this knowledge from personal experience.) Quit trying to take this off of morley. He did it himself.:banghead2:
 
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