Morley arrested last night

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Cup points for this arrest, does Kiffin get a percentage of the score or will Fulmer retain 100% of the credit until his players graduate?
 
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This thread is proof why eveyone should follow the "innocent until proven guilty" doctrine. Many of you guys were calling for Morely's head and it turns out he will be just fine for next spring..
 
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Lurker said:
This thread is a picture perfect example of a rush to judgment by folks that have no earthly idea of what has happened. Here is what I can make out from the public information presently available.

1) In 2007, before he returned to UT, Morley was arrested and probably initially charged with "strong armed robbery" at FIU---not armed robbery (i.e. no weapon involved). I'm not saying that is good---of course it isn't---but it isn't "armed robbery" as assumed by many here and on other boards. That charge is much much more serious and probably would not have qualified for a diversion when it got to court.

2) When arrested and questioned at FIU, after an apparent mis-identification of some other men by the victim, he apparently immediately confessed. That is a good thing.

3) Ultimately, the case was resolved with some sort of diversion program requiring community service by Morley. This is probably where the "tresspass" charge comes in. The original charge may have been reduced as part of his plea deal. By the way, in Tennessee you don't qualify for diversion unless you have a very clean record. If the report of a diversion offer is correct, then the several comments about Morley having a bad prior history are almost certainly unfounded. You don't get this kind of deal without a law enforcement screen of your record and a determination that this event was a first offense.

4) If the reports are correct, he performed his community service but his service was not properly recorded in the court record. In Tennessee this is a fairly common problem that defense lawyers must guard against. If you are poor and you have an overworked public defender as your counsel, the chances of someone watching out for this kind of problem can be reduced. Obviously, he thought he finished his obligation.

5) If the community service was not recorded a compliance hearing was eventually scheduled to find out why and, possibly, to revoke his deal. This is probably what happened in early September, If Morley had notice of the hearing, he should have been there or had it continued. But if he thought he had finished with his service earlier and had left Florida for Tennessee, he may never have even known the hearing was scheduled. I don't know, obviously, but it seems to me that he came back to Knoxville a long time ago to work on his academics at a community college.

6) If he didn't attend or otherwise deal with the September hearing and if he didn't correct the records, an arrest warrant being issued is the usual result, whether or not he is aware of the hearing.

7) Because to the Miami law enforcement the failure to appear warrant would appear to be a minor matter given their normal workload of heaven knows what kind of crime, it is extremely unlikey that Florida would spend limited resources pursuing or tracking him, even though that would certainly not have been hard. He clearly was not hiding and appeared on Regional and National television pretty regularly for a guy on the run. Rather, as is totally common, the defendant would get picked up on something else---most commonly a traffic charge---and the warrant would show up when the officers ran his record on the NCIC. Then a hold would be placed on him pending consultations with the Florida authorities.

8) He was released tonight because the Florida authorities don't see this as a big enough deal to extradite him and he probably has already agreed to go back for the December 23rd hearing voluntarily. At that hearing he will be required to show he has completed his community service and, maybe, pay some court costs occassioned by his failure to appear in September.

9) The result of the December hearing will likely be a dismissal of the original charges and an expungement of his record in accordance with the initial diversion agreement. Of course, if he didn't do his service or has violated the terms of his original agreement, he could have problems. Most likely, though, it will be over in about 5-10 minutes.

If UT knew about this situation and took him back anyway, which it sounds like they did, nothing more should be heaped on because of a screw-up by a court clerk in recording his compliance with his agreement. He was offered an opportunity to start over by the court and that is exactly what he should receive, assuming he has fulfilled his side of his agreement. Again, he admitted his guilt when arrested even though the FIU police had already tabbed another individual and his record could not have been bad or he would never have qualified for a diversion.

As for speeding on Chapman Highway and driving without proof of insurance, the Knoxville Municipal Court handles dozens if not hundreds of similar cases every week---maybe even for some of the posters on this site. You don't throw a kid out of school for speeding. Now, if he isn't meeting the terms of his agreement with the staff on academics or if he does something serious, that is an entirely different thing. But, again based on what I have been able to piece together, this thread's rush to judgment is way over the top.
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Ten D has a new rival.
 
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tennvol92 said:
This thread is proof why eveyone should follow the "innocent until proven guilty" doctrine. Many of you guys were calling for Morely's head and it turns out he will be just fine for next spring..
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So, it's just wasted pixels. Freak covers the costs.:)
 
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Lurker said:
By the way, in Tennessee you don't qualify for diversion unless you have a very clean record. If the report of a diversion offer is correct, then the several comments about Morley having a bad prior history are almost certainly unfounded. You don't get this kind of deal without a law enforcement screen of your record and a determination that this event was a first offense.

Can't really agree with you on that very clean record to get diversion point.I know for a fact there are absolutely no barriers that stand in way of an attorney worth his money.
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All that matters is that Dee Morley is in the starting lineup next August. This other stuff will get cleared up in time.
 
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utmba93 said:
So, it's just wasted pixels. Freak covers the costs.:)
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I guess i will help cover the cost too, since I'm guilty of premature...oh whats the word, oh ya conviction! Even though most of said the words "If he's guilty or If its true.." I thought these discussion boards were here so that we could talk about the what if's:naughty:

"We're not going to some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! We're going to Federal POUND ME IN THE A$$ prison!" - office space movie:horse:
 
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hatvol96 said:
That would constitute a blatant NCAA violation.
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Not if UT's counsel is available to all students. At other schools, students can speak with members of the General Counsel's office to get simple legal advice. I didn't mean that the attorney would show up and advocate in court for him, I just meant that they could help him figure out what to do next. It's all moot since he's going to be extradited.
 
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volinathens said:
Not if UT's counsel is available to all students. At other schools, students can speak with members of the General Counsel's office to get simple legal advice. I didn't mean that the attorney would show up and advocate in court for him, I just meant that they could help him figure out what to do next. It's all moot since he's going to be extradited.
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The general counsel at UT provides zero legal counsel to the student body.
 
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I'm not going to argue with you about what goes at UT. I didn't go there and admittedly have no knowledge about how their office works. All that I know is at other schools they will help direct students in the right direction and with other minor things like that. All of that is said with full knowledge that the staff attorneys at those schools ARE NOT the student's atty, but can be used. I've stated where I was coming from and I apologize for being so brazenly mistaken.
 
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The UT athletic dept can recommend some good attorneys that will get good deals for players with the police---it happens in all college towns.
 
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volinathens said:
I'm not going to argue with you about what goes at UT. I didn't go there and admittedly have no knowledge about how their office works. All that I know is at other schools they will help direct students in the right direction and with other minor things like that. All of that is said with full knowledge that the staff attorneys at those schools ARE NOT the student's atty, but can be used. I've stated where I was coming from and I apologize for being so brazenly mistaken.
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Nothing to apologize for. I just know we have a bunch of UT students who frequent this board and wanted to make sure they don't go running to the Office of the General Counsel the next time they catch an underage consumption.
 
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utVOLman said:
what an idiot...a guy who was on his way to the NFL despite never living up to his billing at UT...

maybe he can share a cell with Maurice Clarett...they would dominate the inmates vs. guards football game
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Wow, what a great squad for the inmates...

-Maurice Clarett
-OJ Simpson
-Lawrence Phillips
-Demetrice Morley

GOOOO TEEEAAMMM!!:rock:
 
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good point. didn't even think about that. There's probably only a handful of atty's there anyway since they rely on the Atty General's office for all their litigation, so they'd be swamped if people took what I said as the gospel. Once again, don't trust people who went to rival schools. And I use the term "rival" about as loosely as possible.
 
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volinathens said:
good point. didn't even think about that. There's probably only a handful of atty's there anyway since they rely on the Atty General's office for all their litigation, so they'd be swamped if people took what I said as the gospel. Once again, don't trust people who went to rival schools. And I use the term "rival" about as loosely as possible.
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Does UGA have a legal services office for the student body? I bet Bubba Head could make a killing with those references!
 
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JohnnyBall said:
Cup points for this arrest, does Kiffin get a percentage of the score or will Fulmer retain 100% of the credit until his players graduate?
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I'd say that goes down sort of like an unearned run. Kiffin sort of came in relief with runners on base, so I would say his points start only on first timers.
 
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