More than a little Pissed off at the Team, Coaches, and Administration.

[Offset Eye]

I would have actually been fine with 5-7 if that meant that I saw a team fight and play hard and be competitive to the end. The record would have sucked, but that would have shown improvement from last season.

So I am left with wondering if the coaches are garbage or are the players that horrible... or is it a bit of both? The fact that I can't reconcile those concerns is what bothers me the most. I want to give Pruitt the benefit of the doubt, but I seem to be talking myself into that reality.

 

[General Jack]

We’ve had serious leadership problems at Tennessee for many years now. That’s where the trouble started. You can’t be a successful organization, entity, franchise, whatever, with poor leadership.

The piss poor coaches we’ve been saddled with are a reflection of that poor leadership. We couldn’t have paid a top quality coach enough to come in 2013 or 2017. No proven coach was willing to put their reputation on the line for the clownshow we’ve had running the university and athletic program.

Mediocre coaching results in the crap product we’ve seen on the field.

Fix the top and the rest will start fixing itself. Fulmer is probably a start in the right direction, but I don’t know outside of the athletic department.

 

[1972 Grad]

We didn’t get in this mess over night and not getting out over night. I think Pruitt and Fulmer have the right mindset. Better get the right OC...wrong coordinator hires can doom a HC.

How about hiring Wake Forest's head coach as our o.c.? They hung 59 on Duke.

 

[orange plasma]

307 posts in 12 years.

This is classic. Maybe this guy works for a living instead of have the leisure of hanging out in his parent's basement posting and dusting cheetos off of his gut.

 

[wmcovol]

Just cause Saban is worth $10mil doesn’t mean guys like Jones, Dooley, Mullen, Stoops, etc are worth 40-50% of that. Vast majority of college coaches are grossly overpaid.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Is anyone familiar with a Cluster Flop?

It was a popular dance in the 30’s

 

[BigBadVol]

Did somebody forget his panty liner and wet the bed?

 

[LWSVOL]

If we were paying Nick Saban 10 million it'd be one thing, but putting the program in a hole it can't afford to get out of overpaying the likes of Derek Dooley and Pruitt isn't smart not getting it done.

the only coach they could get for a million a year would have been Azzanni. I think he would have given it a shot.. maybe...

 

[KYSkipper]

the only coach they could get for a million a year would have been Azzanni. I think he would have given it a shot.. maybe...

I don't believe that. There are plenty of coaches who would take a million dollar a year job and be very happy with it. We took Derek Dooley from a $500,000 salary to a 3 Million dollar salary. Name me 1 dude who would turn down doubling a $500,000 salary. You can't because people aren't that dumb. Well, the people paying these ridiculous salaries to football coaches aside. I know, some will say we have to have better coaches, well, that's true, but do we? I bet Cincinnati wasn't paying Butch a million when we hired him. It's one thing when the coach is Nick Saban. It's a whole other thing when it's someone nobody has heard of. Who knew Pruitt before UT hired him? Butch Jones? Dooley? The University is hiring the Wal Mart house brand and paying the national brand price.

 

[YankeeVol]

I don't believe that. There are plenty of coaches who would take a million dollar a year job and be very happy with it. We took Derek Dooley from a $500,000 salary to a 3 Million dollar salary. Name me 1 dude who would turn down doubling a $500,000 salary. You can't because people aren't that dumb. Well, the people paying these ridiculous salaries to football coaches aside. I know, some will say we have to have better coaches, well, that's true, but do we? I bet Cincinnati wasn't paying Butch a million when we hired him. It's one thing when the coach is Nick Saban. It's a whole other thing when it's someone nobody has heard of. Who knew Pruitt before UT hired him? Butch Jones? Dooley? The University is hiring the Wal Mart house brand and paying the national brand price.

Wrong

He was supposed to make $1.1 million in 2012 under his original deal.

The new contract bumped his salary to $1,575,000 for 2012. It will go up to $1.6 million each of the following two years, $1.65 million in 2015, $1.7 million in 2006 and $2.05 million in 2017. He will get a $300,000 bonus after each of the 2013, 2015 and 2016 seasons if he stays at Cincinnati.

 

[LWSVOL]

I don't believe that. There are plenty of coaches who would take a million dollar a year job and be very happy with it. We took Derek Dooley from a $500,000 salary to a 3 Million dollar salary. Name me 1 dude who would turn down doubling a $500,000 salary. You can't because people aren't that dumb. Well, the people paying these ridiculous salaries to football coaches aside. I know, some will say we have to have better coaches, well, that's true, but do we? I bet Cincinnati wasn't paying Butch a million when we hired him. It's one thing when the coach is Nick Saban. It's a whole other thing when it's someone nobody has heard of. Who knew Pruitt before UT hired him? Butch Jones? Dooley? The University is hiring the Wal Mart house brand and paying the national brand price.

those dudes are going to run the risk of failing at a Power 5 school and ending their future chances as a head football coach. If you truly believe a million dollar coach can recruit head to head with the rest of the SEC than I can't convince you of anything. If you truly believe that type coach can go head to head and win versus the SEC coaches than good luck. If you want Tennessee to join Conference USA then your head coach would be more in line with competing.

You're just wanting a head coach to be paid for the last 10 year records. You're not looking to compete versus SEC teams, just pay for what we are getting and stay there. That is an option... We could certainly pay less to be at the bottom of the SEC

BTW: Pruitt was making 1.3 million as DC at Alabama.

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

We could certainly pay less to be at the bottom of the SEC

If y'all wanna stay at the bottom of the SEC, I'll coach the team for only a third of what CJP is making. Happy to help out, because I'm a giver - its who I am.

 

[Jax_Vol]

I don't believe that. There are plenty of coaches who would take a million dollar a year job and be very happy with it. We took Derek Dooley from a $500,000 salary to a 3 Million dollar salary. Name me 1 dude who would turn down doubling a $500,000 salary. You can't because people aren't that dumb. Well, the people paying these ridiculous salaries to football coaches aside. I know, some will say we have to have better coaches, well, that's true, but do we? I bet Cincinnati wasn't paying Butch a million when we hired him. It's one thing when the coach is Nick Saban. It's a whole other thing when it's someone nobody has heard of. Who knew Pruitt before UT hired him? Butch Jones? Dooley? The University is hiring the Wal Mart house brand and paying the national brand price.

This is older information, doesn't reflect some bonuses and such, but provides some easy talking points.

Bottom line...all SEC Coaches make more than one million a year.

• Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000
• Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
• Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
• Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
• Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
• Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
• Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
• Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
• Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
• Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
• Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
• Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
• Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
• Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

Matt Luke is stealing from OM like a bandit.

 

[VOL_Lyfe]

This is older information, doesn't reflect some bonuses and such, but provides some easy talking points.

Bottom line...all SEC Coaches make more than one million a year.

• Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000 *
• Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
• Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
• Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
• Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
• Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
• Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
• Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
• Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
• Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
• Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
• Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
• Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
• Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

Good stuff! Just for fun, I divided the above by their number of wins this year to get a crude "Cost Per Win:"

• Barry Odom, Missouri: 293.75K
• Joe Morehead, Mississippi State : 337.5K
• Kirby Smart, Georgia: 341K
• Ed Orgeron, LSU: 388.9K
• Mark Stoops, Kentucky: 416.7K
• Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: 453.6K
• Will Muschamp, South Carolina: 516.7K
• Dan Mullen, Florida: 666.7K
• Gus Malzahn, Auburn: 675K
• Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: 760K
• Nick Saban, Alabama: 927.6K
• Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: 937.5K
• Chad Morris, Arkansas: 1.75 million

Oh, and....

* Dan Mullen, Florida: 666.7K <----------------------- Coincidence? I don't think so......

 

[landscapingvol]

As you should be, the football program has been driven into the ground by the powers that be and don’t seem to be in any hurry to correct it. At some point even an incompetent administration could accidentally make a decision that turned out well but we can’t seem to get that lucky yet.

 

[Volfan2012]

Well you can buy a Samsung or a Daewoo we keep trying to make the Daewoo work and end up paying more than we would have to get the good guys in the first place. Not saying Pruitt can't do it but he hired some Assistants that I no longer have confidence in. I think you have to play and get experienced coaches that know what they are doing able to make even the worst player better instead of having to mail checks all around the country to failed coaches.

 

[Alex10]

I have no idea how it works but my question would be how do these fools in admin making these laughable blunders over and over keep their jobs? Maybe they aren’t? But it sure seems like they aren’t getting fired with the regularity they should be. I mean they have been unbelievably horrible at their jobs.

 

[VolFan..But]

This fan base is one thing that is killing this program. Unrealistic expectations for one. Most of you see Tennessee football through the eyes of the Hall of Famer's years. That is not Tennessee football historically. Not close. Now you think you should win every game. Here is the truth for those of you that has never played a game in your life.

Tennessee was ruined starting with the Hamilton desecration in 2004. Not going into that. But they where 0-8 with very little SEC talent. Anyone and everyone that has played college and pro football or has coached and are familiar with Tennessee will tell you they do not have any talent. Is that Pruitt's fault? Hell no. Can anyone turn around any program in one year? Hell no. This was ruined years ago and came to a head last year. It will take a couple of years to recruit, train and develop the level of players to compete.

This team had small sub par players with no heart. There where exceptions. You had your defensive line playing 70+ snaps per game. Impossible and play well. The great ones play about 45. But Tennessee had no other options. And that is one reason fro the decline at the end of the year.

They will never win with JG. Just a fact.

You can either whine about something that cannot get fixed overnight or be patient. From the experts who would know (not most of you), Tennessee has the right guy no doubt. It takes time to get players. So go relax and pick up another thing to complain about. This will be fixed if you get out of the way.

 

[k-town_king]

On Ainge's show today they talked about sources on the team talking about several players quitting. A bunch of guys know they won't be back and were going through the motions the last couple of games.

That is why some players have come out with statements about buying in or playing hard.

 

[CampBlount]

Well you can buy a Samsung or a Daewoo we keep trying to make the Daewoo work and end up paying more than we would have to get the good guys in the first place....

My Samsung crapped out soon after the warranty expired. Never getting another.

 

[VolFan..But]

Dabo - WR Coach
Bob and Mike Stoops - Coordinators
Fulmer - Coordinator
Kirby - Coordinator
Mullen - Coordinator when he went to Miss State
Richt - Coordinator
Jimmy Johnson was a 500 coach at Oklahoma State when he got the Miami job
Switzer - Coordinator when he got the Oklahoma job
Paterno - assistant
Osborne - Assistant when he got Nebraska job
Neyland - Assistant
John McKay - assistant
Rockne - assistant


and many more. So it is not unheard of to hire an assistant that wins big. Not sure who many of you think will leave and come here, but rest assure, whoever that would have been, they would be 5-7 with this mess. Tennessee has the right guy. Wait and see.

 

[NUMBER1VOLFAN]

Nothing really to add, just to agree. Recruits have to realize we're not the last place team in the East. Oh, I forgot, we are. When we get
Alabama and Georgia leftovers (as well as a few others now) we don't get the cream of the crop anymore. When CJP is sitting in their Mom & Pop's living room, that's got to be the hard sell. And then, in the game, we can't have those quitters, mentioned above, anywhere polluting the atmosphere. We had too many this year just waitin it out. That was me too, just waitin it out! I used to joke about Vandy- Wait till next year. Can't joke about them anymore. Joke's on us now.

 

[Air_Force_Vol27]

The last 2 games of this season the team didn't show up to play. They Quit and it's hard to forgive that.

There were a few games this year I felt like we played hard. Played like we wanted to win. Kentucky for one. Then there were games where the team never gave the first effort. The Alabama game was a hybrid. The first quarter was awful. Once we changed quarterbacks we didn't look as bad all things considered.

I've been a UT fan for more than 40 years and I can say this, if next year our team isn't going to give any more effort than it has the last 3 years it would be alright with me if they shut down the football team and never played another game. I'm mad that I spent time Saturday watching that sorry spectacle.

The Administration and whoever it is at the University that has hired the last 3 coaches stink to high heaven. I have no idea why you give unproven people the lucrative contracts they have. Pruitt as a head coach is worth no more than 1 million I don't care if the rest of the SEC pays theirs 3 times that or more, Pruitt is not a proven coach and this year certainly hasn't added to that feeling. Remember the ETSU game? Had not it thundered in Maryville we'd probably have lost that one. The first half time for the lighting delay we had negative yards. Inexcusable. We are an SEC team not whatever 4th tier league ETSU plays in. The fact that they came to that game not ready to play to me is on the head coach. He's supposed to have the team ready to go or at least the first 11 he puts out on the field. I was impressed in the Alabama Game when Keller Chryst came in the game and never missed a beat. JG never started a game this year that he looked like he was ready to play from the kick off.

I have never seen such a Cluster Flop of a football team in my lifetime. I can remember a time when we got upset about not winning a National Championship or an SEC championship. Now we are supposed to be satisfied with 2 SEC wins and loosing to the Doormats 3 years in a row. 5 out of the last 7. I never thought I'd say this, but Bill Battle wasn't that dang bad.

I admit. At this point, I have no idea how to fix this mess. I do know we had a quarterback under Dooley that threw the Kentucky game to avoid playing in a low ranking bowl. I thought then, I'd have shown him the door of the stadium before halftime and told him to pack his crap in the dorm and Get Out. I think a start might be running every player out of the locker room and off the team. Instead of Tennessee begging them, let them beg Tennessee to come back in. I guarantee ETSU, MTSU, UTC and others have players that would give their right arm to play in Neyland Stadium and wear the Orange and White. They absolutely couldn't do any worse than what we have has done in the last 2 years.

We have absolutely got to get coaches and players that have Tennessee in their hearts. This business of begging and over paying to be here and getting sub standard performance is getting old. It's not necessary to pay 1.2 million per year to an offensive coordinator to get one that can do the job. It's not that difficult. If you can teach players to block, tackle, find a running hole you'd be way ahead of what we have with what we are paying.

I'll climb off my soap box now.

Blah blah blah........you'll be back no matter how next year goes. We see these posts every year lol

 

[KYSkipper]

This fan base is one thing that is killing this program. Unrealistic expectations for one. Most of you see Tennessee football through the eyes of the Hall of Famer's years. That is not Tennessee football historically. Not close. Now you think you should win every game. Here is the truth for those of you that has never played a game in your life.

So the fans are at fault for expecting the Vols to beat the Doormats at least 1 time in 3 years?