More... Promising 2-0 against OBC or More... troubling 0-2 against Muschamp?

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What do you say is more revealing about Butch's and legacy of this team under him. Is it better sign that he is 2-0 against one of more accomplished Coaches in college football history? Or that being 0-2 against Muschamp is more troubling to our future, because he is awful.

I for one feel even though he is 2-2 against those very different personalities. I think owning Spurrier spells great things to come and Muschamp is an anomaly. Sorry kind of random, however we are all so elated this crossed my mind.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
What do you say is more revealing about Butch's and legacy of this team under him. Is it better sign that he is 2-0 against one of more accomplished Coaches in college football history? Or that being 0-2 against Muschamp is more troubling to our future, because he is awful.

I for one feel even though he is 2-2 against those very different personalities. I think owning Spurrier spells great things to come and Muschamp is an anomaly. Sorry kind of random, however we are all so elated this crossed my mind.
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The right hand turn signal's been blinking for a while, but now, with the leadership of Mister Dobbs, team 118 has finally turned onto the highway. These kids have been learning to win tough games, and now they've got more than a clue. Great game, Vols. Get some rest and get after the mildcats! On another note: The old balls coach walked up to the microphone and just quipped "Y'all saw it," then walked out of his press conference. Oh yeah!
 
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More troubling?

The fact the so called "Vol fans" still find negative things to talk about even in a victory.
 
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The most troubling are know it all fans that hinge everything on everymoment. A blind man could see we are slowly coming together. We knew there would be growing pains, the few fire butch crowd fans out there are IDIOTS. He isn't perfect and the team isn't perfect BUT we are fighting and getting better. Can't wait to see a couple of more recruiting classes with this group. It's a fun and exciting time to be a VOL!!!! GO BIG ORANGE!!!!
 
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Muschamp may be bad head coaching material, but his defenses are solid. The Georgia beating definitely takes some of the embarrassment off of our loss. The sting is still there, but our loss feels a little more justifiable. Even if they tried their best to give it to us.
 
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Grand Vol said:
More troubling?

The fact the so called "Vol fans" still find negative things to talk about even in a victory.
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So because we won the game everyone is required, in your opinion, to be only positive? How long should this moratorium on not being allowed to post literal facts that might rustle your feathers last?
 
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omghulkhands said:
So because we won the game everyone is required, in your opinion, to be only positive? How long should this moratorium on not being allowed to post literal facts that might rustle your feathers last?
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Because "literal facts" presented by your ilk tend to be more interpretation than anything useful, folks are more inclined to disregard your opinion.
 
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MedicT said:
Because "literal facts" presented by your ilk tend to be more interpretation than anything useful, folks are more inclined to disregard your opinion.
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If he can comment just to whine about people not being positive enough for him, I can bust his chops about it.

If we want to stay on topic, what is your interpretation of the 2 Muschamp losses then? Since it is about interpretation.

In my opinion, it was an interesting point. Two wins against a football genius and two against a total boob. It doesn't mean anything, but it is interesting nonetheless.
 
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omghulkhands said:
If he can comment just to whine about people not being positive enough for him, I can bust his chops about it.

If we want to stay on topic, what is your interpretation of the 2 Muschamp losses then? Since it is about interpretation.

In my opinion, it was an interesting point. Two wins against a football genius and two against a total boob. It doesn't mean anything, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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Although it doesn't fit the narrative for the Jones bashers, a "bad" Florida squad is still very good. It's that simple.
 
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MedicT said:
Although it doesn't fit the narrative for the Jones bashers, a "bad" Florida squad is still very good. It's that simple.
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1) Who here is a Jones basher? The op praises Jones about beating Spurrier. Seems pretty fair to me. Seems you feel the need to disregard that. He goes as far to say losing to Muschamp is "an anomaly"

2) You think Florida is very good this year? You think Florida was very good last year? Ergo, you think Muschamp is very good?
 
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To address the posed question ...

There really is not enough data to draw a definitive conclusion. But for purposes of discussion, CSS is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Beating him twice is big, but, it took an injury to his starting QB, a miracle catch, an SC defense that is in transition this year, and a record setting QB performance, thus I don't think that all of the credit goes to the UT coaches.

The losses to UF were largely based on personnel decisions, so I think more of the blame is on the UT coaching staff.
 
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omghulkhands said:
1) Who here is a Jones basher? The op praises Jones about beating Spurrier. Seems pretty fair to me. Seems you feel the need to disregard that. He goes as far to say losing to Muschamp is "an anomaly"

2) You think Florida is very good this year? You think Florida was very good last year? Ergo, you think Muschamp is very good?
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Easy, now, Hulk. Don't start turning green and stuff. After the floor duh game there HAVE been more than just a handful of posters harping on CBJ's attributes, as well as his assistants. It's natural within big time fan bases. As for Muschamp: He's a solid and insightful defensive coordinator, but as a HC and offensive leader, he's below par. I see him winding up at some other major program as a DC, as he was a good one at Texas. Obviously noted by most is his low likeability quotient. All-in-all; Florida's a tough team to beat, with or without Muschamp.
 
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MedicT said:
Although it doesn't fit the narrative for the Jones bashers, a "bad" Florida squad is still very good. It's that simple.
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omghulkhands said:
1) Who here is a Jones basher? The op praises Jones about beating Spurrier. Seems pretty fair to me. Seems you feel the need to disregard that. He goes as far to say losing to Muschamp is "an anomaly"

2) You think Florida is very good this year? You think Florida was very good last year? Ergo, you think Muschamp is very good?
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Yeah Im full Butch. I just think its funny. Fulmer struggled against Spurrier period. No matter how great our team was Phil's ultra conservative ways found a way to be stifled by THE OBC playground play calling. Even though Filmed coached the exact same ways against others and won a ton of ball games, meanwhile Spurrier never accomplished an Undefeated season. He always found a blemish on his record. Now is this case of Butch of being a obstacle Spurrier will struggle with. He may not coach long enough t overcome his start. As for the Muschamp comparison its just odd how if you had 2 blank resumes with the coaches names hidden. Almost unanimously everyone would say Butch would have a better chance against Muschamp not a HOF offensive genius like Spurrier. But that's sports. Sometimes just don't make sense lol.
 
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tm3 said:
To address the posed question ...

There really is not enough data to draw a definitive conclusion. But for purposes of discussion, CSS is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Beating him twice is big, but, it took an injury to his starting QB, a miracle catch, an SC defense that is in transition this year, and a record setting QB performance, thus I don't think that all of the credit goes to the UT coaches.

The losses to UF were largely based on personnel decisions, so I think more of the blame is on the UT coaching staff.
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Easy, now, Hulk. Don't start turning green and stuff. After the floor duh game there HAVE been more than just a handful of posters harping on CBJ's attributes, as well as his assistants. It's natural within big time fan bases. As for Muschamp: He's a solid and insightful defensive coordinator, but as a HC and offensive leader, he's below par. I see him winding up at some other major program as a DC, as he was a good one at Texas. Obviously noted by most is his low likeability quotient. All-in-all; Florida's a tough team to beat, with or without Muschamp.
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Can't argue with either of these.
 
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tm3 said:
To address the posed question ...

There really is not enough data to draw a definitive conclusion. But for purposes of discussion, CSS is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Beating him twice is big, but, it took an injury to his starting QB, a miracle catch, an SC defense that is in transition this year, and a record setting QB performance, thus I don't think that all of the credit goes to the UT coaches.

The losses to UF were largely based on personnel decisions, so I think more of the blame is on the UT coaching staff.
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Lorenzo Ward might as well pack his bags now. He is giving Sal a run for his money. This USCe team is the 2012 Vol team all over again. Prolific offense, putrid defense.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Lorenzo Ward might as well pack his bags now. He is giving Sal a run for his money. This USCe team is the 2012 Vol team all over again. Prolific offense, putrid defense.
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Yeah I can't believe that dude called a jail break blitz with less than 20 seconds to go inside the 20 yard line. I figured he would drop all dB's and safety's to goal line and keep a couple linebackers to spy the qb run. He took a huge gamble and it was dumb to leave wr s wide open in end zone for sake of massive pressure.
 
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omghulkhands said:
So because we won the game everyone is required, in your opinion, to be only positive? How long should this moratorium on not being allowed to post literal facts that might rustle your feathers last?
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There is a reason I have you on ignore, but people keep quoting you so sometimes I am forced to respond...

There is a huge difference in pointing out areas of improvement, also known as "constructive criticism" and making the comments like the OP. So which one is worse? Being happy we won an important game or deciding to slip back into the straight negativity without any time to reflect on what a milestone this was? Sure the Vols haven't won against Florida...yet. But really, who ****ing cares until September 26th, 2015? Not like we can change that now. It happened. And it's nothing than can be rectified for the next freakin eleven months. So in the words of a politician, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Do us all a favor and break your keyboard. Your entire focus on anything negative is getting old fast.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Lorenzo Ward might as well pack his bags now. He is giving Sal a run for his money. This USCe team is the 2012 Vol team all over again. Prolific offense, putrid defense.
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No kidding. USCe D looks like they are in slow motion, just like the UT D under SS.
 
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I think this deserves the same answer as the "How did he lose to Dooley" question. Simple answer: Talent. SC and Spurrier haven't been burning up the recruiting trail on a consistent basis like FL has. Personnel wise, we can match up with them. The other factor is that FL was early in the season, our freshmen were still learning, and Chump had 2 weeks to prepare his talented D for our vanilla offense. Dooley didn't out coach Butch 2 years ago, he won with talent. Chump didn't out coach Butch, he won with experienced talent. Our guys have gained invaluable experience during this season and match up better, talent wise, with SC. I thought coaching for both teams last night were about equal, but our Vols have more heart and determination. They wanted it more. Good win, GBO!!!
 
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Grand Vol said:
There is a reason I have you on ignore, but people keep quoting you so sometimes I am forced to respond...

There is a huge difference in pointing out areas of improvement, also known as "constructive criticism" and making the comments like the OP. So which one is worse? Being happy we won an important game or deciding to slip back into the straight negativity without any time to reflect on what a milestone this was? Sure the Vols haven't won against Florida...yet. But really, who ****ing cares until September 26th, 2015? Not like we can change that now. It happened. And it's nothing than can be rectified for the next freakin eleven months. So in the words of a politician, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Do us all a favor and break your keyboard. Your entire focus on anything negative is getting old fast.
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Well, we already went over it, but the OP wasn't even being negative. You should likely read his last sentence again. He praised Butch for beating a HOF coach and stated losing to Muschamp was "an anomaly"

So whatever, keep being being the thread police determining what is or isn't positive enough.
 
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