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#51
#51
We are losing mega millions per year with a fledgling and dying program.......Not saying that Gruden is 100% guaranteed, but he puts butts in seats at the minimum.

You give him what he wants. The payoff far outweighs the risk.
 
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#52
Hubbs quote below validates no contract, and no meeting as I said earlier. I don't necessarily want it to be true, but it is.

"There will be no afternoon press
conference today for a new football coach at the University of
Tennessee, nor was Jon Gruden ever presented with
any contract or financial details to become the Volunteers' next
football coach. So say sources extremely close to UT's search for Derek Dooley's replacement.

Some half-dozen sources have told VolQuest.com this morning that Gruden both
declined an offer to meet with UT officials, most notably vice
chancellor and director of athletics Dave Hart,
this week and that neither side ever got to a point where a financial
framework was outlined."

My friend says Fedora is next. Onwards.
 
#53
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sterlingpearling said:
Hubbs quote below validates no contract, and no meeting as I said earlier. I don't necessarily want it to be true, but it is.

"There will be no afternoon press
conference today for a new football coach at the University of
Tennessee, nor was Jon Gruden ever presented with
any contract or financial details to become the Volunteers' next
football coach. So say sources extremely close to UT's search for Derek Dooley's replacement.

Some half-dozen sources have told VolQuest.com this morning that Gruden both
declined an offer to meet with UT officials, most notably vice
chancellor and director of athletics Dave Hart,
this week and that neither side ever got to a point where a financial
framework was outlined."

My friend says Fedora is next. Onwards.
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I'll take Fedora in a second.
 
#54
#54
jcary14 said:
We are losing mega millions per year with a fledgling and dying program.......Not saying that Gruden is 100% guaranteed, but he puts butts in seats at the minimum.

You give him what he wants. The payoff far outweighs the risk.
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I'm a real big Gruden fan, but no one is bigger than the program. And winning...whether Gruden, Fulmer, Kiffen, Dooley or Neyland is the coach...is what puts butts in the seats.

I don't mean to be nit-picky, but choose your words more appropriately....fledgling and dying certainly don't belong together.
 
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#55
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jcary14 said:
We are losing mega millions per year with a fledgling and dying program.......Not saying that Gruden is 100% guaranteed, but he puts butts in seats at the minimum.

You give him what he wants. The payoff far outweighs the risk.
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You DO NOT give him what he wants. No coach is EVER bigger than the program.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
You DO NOT give him what he wants. No coach is EVER bigger than the program.
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Waco,

Keep in mind the average age of those who say give Gruden everything he wants is probably 22. Once they grow up they'll realize the damage a contract like that would mean.
 
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#61
#61
slowly but surely we're inching our way back in to the same position we found ourselves in when kiffy left...wow!!!:puke5:
 
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Fedora has been preliminarily interviewed. So have Golden, Fisher, and Davis. Golden is supposedly working through things with Miami to sort out some new terms due to Miami's not sharing some NCAA violations (ethics breach in escape clause). Fisher is in a championship game and Hart will only do a full interview after seeking AD permission. So the only available follow up is with Fedora. I assume others will now get preliminary interviews as well. globadoc- You are correct. "reported on" may be too strong. "blogged about" would be more accurate- in MR SEC, etc.
 
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RE Gruden: We have offered him a LOT, maybe even more than a lot--but lines must be drawn. Gruden basically wants to turn the position into an NFL position; he seems to want a huge package AND to take over some/many of Hart's job functions with respect to the football program.

Some of the hurdles don't seem that serious:

staff bonuses/hiring and firing: Coaches usually fire and hire whom they want, correct, even if the AD handles the formal functions? A discretionary bonus pool? I can see where that might cause complications--and seriously, why the hell does Gruden need that when we'd already be paying them big salaries. But could probably be overcome.

Scheduling: shouldn't be an issue--Gruden gets serious input but doesn't get to make the schedule.

Endorsements: Not sure what university regulations are. Don't college coaches endorse local businesses? And don't they do so without always being ID'd as UT's coach or whatever?

Non-causal outs: I don't want to hire Gruden and watch him bolt after two years because he's pissed about something or gets an NFL offer.

Success metrics: not sure what contractual precedents are in business.

Gruden wants too much. It's a college job--not an NFL job. If we doesn't want to sit down with Hart, then scr-w him. I have no problem moving on. But we need an experienced head coach.

I don't mind going to the spread--I'll say that. I'm so tired of having slow, immobile QBs.
 
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sterlingpearling said:
Fedora has been preliminarily interviewed. So have Golden, Fisher, and Davis. Golden is supposedly working through things with Miami to sort out some new terms due to Miami's not sharing some NCAA violations (ethics breach in escape clause). Fisher is in a championship game and Hart will only do a full interview after seeking AD permission. So the only available follow up is with Fedora. I assume others will now get preliminary interviews as well. globadoc- You are correct. "reported on" may be too strong. "blogged about" would be more accurate- in MR SEC, etc.
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Just stop.
 
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Titleistvol said:
slowly but surely we're inching our way back in to the same position we found ourselves in when kiffy left...wow!!!:puke5:
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We are offering more money, and there /seems/ more interest from good coaches. Will we interview strong? We damn sure need somebody who is a passionate recruiter AND leader, with x/o skills.
 
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sterlingpearling said:
Fair point Decker. I only know it did not come from the AD. My friend's assumption is that it is pressure from a subset of the boosters. Definitely not proven. Doc- I am not sure what you don't believe. I'm passing along what I've heard. Not only has what he has said about this situation been true, but also that of Golden, Fedora etc. After he said Golden was trying to exit via his escape clause on an ethics grounds, that was reported, and Miami countered to get him to stay. After he said Fedora would be interviewed, he was. That too was later reported. Everyone told me I was nuts when I conveyed JG would have demands higher than any other coach because he was represented by BL. This came true. I am not sure all of this will end up in a deal if they strike one, but I do believe they are really asking for these items.
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Fedora has already been interviewed? Haven't heard this. Has butch jones been interviewed?
 
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Fedora just finished his /first/ year at UNC, correct? He'd be a d--k to stiff the heels after one year--and would probably have to pony up some serious dough, no? Seems unlikely.

I like Strong's credentials in every way. Has head coaching experience; has had serious jobs at big programs--nd, south carolina, florida (dc). Has defensive expertise--that's where good teams start and finish, guys--see bama. Has recruiting contacts in florida. Unlike Fishe, Strong knows the SEC and what it takes to win in the SEC. A pretty damn good package, IMO.
 
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#69
Ive said give the man wait he wants, from what ive read of his "alleged contract" , id take my business else where. Who to say if we did get him with all those contract rules and sumthing else comes along, he leaves with no consequences. Thats crap
 
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#70
I know gruden would be NEW to the college scene, but u cant be AD and head coaxh at the same time!
 
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armchair said:
We are offering more money, and there /seems/ more interest from good coaches. Will we interview strong? We damn sure need somebody who is a passionate recruiter AND leader, with x/o skills.
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i like your perspective - hope you're right!

oh - i too am in the strong camp!!!
 
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Cdgrey said:
I know gruden would be NEW to the college scene, but u cant be AD and head coaxh at the same time!
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seemed to work out pretty well for Dooley at La Tech...got him the gig here, where he ultimately got a $5 Mil goodbye kiss...so yea, worked pretty well for him
 
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sterlingpearling said:
Spoke to my friend just now (formerly worked for Lamonte)You can peruse my previous threads for further background. Please remember: I am sharing info to be helpful, not attacking your religion. I am a UT fan, my friend is indifferent to UT's success, but more connected to the day to day than the reporters who originally shared this info.

Things he knows 100%:

There is no contract. There is not even an MOU. There has been an OFFER LETTER extended, and terms have been discussed, but not agreed to. As we will all recall, coaches almost never receive a drafted contract until months after they begin their job, and usually don't even sign them for months, if not years due to their complexity and the back and forth. There is no contract. There is no MOU. There is an offer letter.

UT's most recent terms (as of Tuesday) EXCEEDED Gruden's requested staff salary.

JG (through BM) has requested some things that make Cheek/Hart uncomfortable. They include: Staff negotiation, hiring and firing of staff (normally a function performed by the AD), Scheduling out of conference opponents (normally a function performed by the AD), staff incentives and bonuses (not normally part of a deal like this). He also wants to choose UT brand endorsements for the university, and wants the freedom to do endorsements himself (ones that do not acknowledge him as the UT coach). Also JG wants a long list of (non-causal) related reasons why he can leave UT, but won't be pinned down to any success metrics that give UT an out (Hart's counter).

While Haslam and others have stayed out of the fray, some other very vocal boosters have told BM and Jon that they will get what they want. This is like baby deer giving a wolf permission to lick it as long as there is "no biting". Hart is now in a terrible spot. If he takes this deal, he is betting his career that this arrangement will be a miracle cure, and will have done so with terms unheard of in any other college deal. It will be "his deal" whether he likes the terms or not. If he does not take the deal, the fan base will be furious, and it will be very hard to carry on the search without paying another coach way too much money. The bar has been set so high that even a lesser hire, will bring disproportionally high dollars to his deal.

There is still a pending request from AD for an in person sit down by today at 5. Yesterday's developments do not reflect new terms from AD. They reflect new pressure being exerted by boosters. Hart's plan to use the 5pm deadline today is now wrecked. Expect someone to deny the "contract" report as they will be able to be honest in saying that there isn't one as they talk through the last terms of the offer letter.

Again- I don't have a horse in the race. I only hope we get the best coach for the program. I do fear the risk, but it is what it is. I will ask my friend some more specific questions via email before lunch, and report back.
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Isn't it true that coaches can walk out of a contract any time they want? It happens all the time. The result is that they don't get paid the rest of their contract amount, but otherwise not a problem for them.
 
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armchair said:
Fedora just finished his /first/ year at UNC, correct? He'd be a d--k to stiff the heels after one year--and would probably have to pony up some serious dough, no? Seems unlikely.

I like Strong's credentials in every way. Has head coaching experience; has had serious jobs at big programs--nd, south carolina, florida (dc). Has defensive expertise--that's where good teams start and finish, guys--see bama. Has recruiting contacts in florida. Unlike Fishe, Strong knows the SEC and what it takes to win in the SEC. A pretty damn good package, IMO.
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Was that a different Jimbo Fisher that coached at Auburn and was LSU's OC when they won a NC in 2003?
 
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