Moral Victory

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I know, I know,....we're ready for a real victory.

But was this a moral victory? IDK. I've read about MVs on here before and I used to live Nashville for 11 years and heard about those nearly every Sunday in the fall (and sometimes on Monday as well).

It seems like a game like this could be a springboard for momentum building, confidence building etc. resulting in future wins. But unless that happens, this game (albeit with heart, emotion, intensity, etc. was played until the last whistle by our beloved Vols) will probably go down as a disappointment or the one that got away (again).

So, I'm not calling it a moral victory. That seems to cheapen the players' efforts and draws attention to the obvious - a loss. This of course can be demotivating, disappointing and....self fulfilling.

This was a learning game and there were may lessons to learn - not just one that Denture-Cream Lou Holtz mentioned about holding onto the ball referring to Pig.

This team has to learn "how" to win over big opponents. We used to have that down pat. But through the years, we've lost it. The most obvious case of "learning to lose" is UT vs. UF. The most obvious case in the last 30 years on average of "learning to win" is UT vs. Candy or UK. There were some close calls in those games (in some years) but UT always managed to win.

This was a learning game - on the way to learning to win.

A little long, I know, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this proposition. :hi:
 
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I don't know about moral victory, but it sure as hell was a morale booster. You can't say that about many lost games.
 
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A little long, I know, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this proposition.

I read the post and am not sure what your proposition is. You did ask if anyone thought the loss was a moral victory, so I can answer that. No. Did I see a lot of positives? Yes. And was very proud of the effort for 4 qtrs and 1 overtime. I see plenty that we can build on going forward. But I would never claim a moral victory.
 
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A "Moral Victory" is like a "short sleeved dress shirt" or a "skinny eskimo woman over the age of 25"...

it doesn't exist....
 
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vols4evah said:
dumbest thing I ever read.
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you must be married to an eskimo woman...wear short sleeved shirts to your job @ GameStop...

Or just the whole post whizzed over your head...

I'll guess #1...AND #2
 
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I don't buy in to moral victorys never have and never will you win or lose its all up to the players to how they respond to this gm
 
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will there be an asterisk in the record books with a notation for "moral victory" against UGA? if so, that's good!
 
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One can debate the concept of moral victories ad infinitum. I am thoroughly convinced, however, that there are losses which can signify building blocks or turning points. Significant clear-cut progress was made in this game. That progress will contribute to enhanced confidence and esprit de corps; it will fuel an even more inspired performance against the Chicken Nation. Butch Jones will get his signature victory at Tennessee on October 19th!! So let it be written, so let it be done.
 
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jimallvol said:
I don't buy in to moral victorys never have and never will you win or lose its all up to the players to how they respond to this gm
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Well, if there was ever an immoral failure we experienced it during the last 5 years.

I'll take a step in the right direction like what we went through the other night.

Turning a corner? I think so.. The fans are excited, the players are excited, the coaches are excited, AND every one of them is getting better.

I can't stand the "its all about the W's and the L's" attitude.. its much more than that. These kids are literally laying a foundation for future success. (on and off the field)

The close games in the Doolaid career were just luck and happenstance

Butches players are actually getting better and better.

Moral victory... I don't care what anyone calls it.

Was it a HUGE HUGE HUGE step in the right direction?

You better believe it!

Thanks

JimVol :hi:
 
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In Alabama they say a moral victory is like kissing your sister. Not all bad but not something you want to brag about.
 
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Hoghater said:
In Alabama they say a moral victory is like kissing your sister. Not all bad but not something you want to brag about.
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There's been a ton of bragging on here since Sat. I had to watch the replay to see if UT actually won the game.

I can't imagine this place had they actually won the game.

I haven't seen this much excitement over a loss since Watson Brown was at Vandy.
 
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I think the team is pissed they didn't win...but they now know they can win against a top team and they KNOW what bUTch is telling them and teaching them is the TRUTH... I think they believed earlier,now they know...

if that constitutes a moral victory,
or Participation Trophy as I like to call them,
then I guess it is...
 
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There is no moral victories in football in the SEC. This wasn't UTC against UGA. Is there things from this game we can build on? Sure, but you should be able to say that with every game, win or lose.

Saddest part of this is that some have basically been celebrating 'a close loss'.

We've had big breaks against our two biggest east rivals and couldn't capitalize. Fla with the TO's and UGA playing walk on WR's and not having to face the best duo of RB's in the nation.

Again, looks like we will catch another break with USC, I think they are just ripe for an upset with all the Clowney fiasco. Spurrier will lose that locker room if he hasn't already.
 
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Boca Vol said:
There's been a ton of bragging on here since Sat. I had to watch the replay to see if UT actually won the game.

I can't imagine this place had they actually won the game.

I haven't seen this much excitement over a loss since Watson Brown was at Vandy.
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If you take our participation out of this and view it as a dispassionate third-party observer, this was, quite simply, a great football game, with a supremely inspired performance by the underdog that fell inches short of victory. It ranks right up there with the 1990 Notre Dame game among memorable home-field losses.
 
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JimVol said:
Well, if there was ever an immoral failure we experienced it during the last 5 years.

I'll take a step in the right direction like what we went through the other night.

Turning a corner? I think so.. The fans are excited, the players are excited, the coaches are excited, AND every one of them is getting better.

I can't stand the "its all about the W's and the L's" attitude.. its much more than that. These kids are literally laying a foundation for future success. (on and off the field)

The close games in the Doolaid career were just luck and happenstance

Butches players are actually getting better and better.

Moral victory... I don't care what anyone calls it.

Was it a HUGE HUGE HUGE step in the right direction?

You better believe it!

Thanks

JimVol :hi:
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Wow!! Luck and happenstance..huh? Do people realize that the some of the same players played their butts off in those luck games?? U think they'd say their efforts were just luck and happenstance?? Some of those same players that played their tails off last year to some really close games that were just "lucky" are the ones that this year do it against a injury depleted team and it's the new coach only?? It has nothing to do with the fight they had in games last year or the fact the opponent had a bunch of injuries.

Just a pathetic comment. Smh
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Oskie Volum said:
Wow!! Luck and happenstance..huh? Do people realize that the some of the same players played their butts off in those luck games?? U think they'd say their efforts were just luck and happenstance?? Some of those same players that played their tails off last year to some really close games that were just "lucky" are the ones that this year do it against a injury depleted team and it's the new coach only?? It has nothing to do with the fight they had in games last year or the fact the opponent had a bunch of injuries.

Just a pathetic comment. Smh
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Never ever said anything about the PLAYERS... Call my pathetic all you want... .. The close games UNDER DOOLEY were entirely luck...on Dooley's part.

AGREE that my comment should have been more targeted towards Dooley.. HIS coaching Didn't do anything for those close games.

Dooley was lucky that he had someone else's Talent.

Whats really pathetic is that you can sit behind a keyboard and call someone else pathetic without even RATIONALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SAID PERSON.

So here I am... Lets talk it out..

:hi:
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
If you take our participation out of this and view it as a dispassionate third-party observer, this was, quite simply, a great football game, with a supremely inspired performance by the underdog that fell inches short of victory. It ranks right up there with the 1990 Notre Dame game among memorable home-field losses.
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I brought this up in another thread and I agree.
 
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There are no moral victories.

I see positives from the game and I recognize that the team played its heart out, something they seldom did for the previous regime.

What this team has to learn is how to win. I know that sounds corny, but these kids had zero killer instinct under Dooley. They have to find that inside themselves. Butch can continue to motivate and teach, but, in the end, it is up to the players.
 
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GhostHound said:
There are no moral victories.

I see positives from the game and I recognize that the team played its heart out, something they seldom did for the previous regime.

What this team has to learn is how to win. I know that sounds corny, but these kids had zero killer instinct under Dooley. They have to find that inside themselves. Butch can continue to motivate and teach, but, in the end, it is up to the players.
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This...and it reared its head in the last 1:54 of the game.
 
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TAF said:
A "Moral Victory" is like a "short sleeved dress shirt" or a "skinny eskimo woman over the age of 25"...

it doesn't exist....
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And very offensively racist comment to us Eskimos
 
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