Monte's D!!!!!!!!!!

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Marlon "LeeLee" Walls
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gotta love Montes D...and he has a pretty good D coming back,,,remember the thing called offense, if we had one last year that could manage anything, they would have been better.........bet our DT's look a ton better this year
 
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wounded mullet said:
Wait till Ronde Barber joins the coaching staff after he retires if Monte is still kicking...
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I heard that Derrick Brooks is tight w/ Monte and has offered to help as well.

Seriously, if you're a decent-to-good defensive player in high school, where ELSE would you want to play? I mean, if Monte Kiffen can't get you ready for the NFL, who can??? And since college players tend to be undersized (compared to the pros) anyway, I think the Tampa D will work even BETTER on the college level than the pro level.
 
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I always thought a lot of the Tampa Two success was dependent on the D-line getting a push in to the pocket.
 
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BrierVol61 said:
I always thought a lot of the Tampa Two success was dependent on the D-line getting a push in to the pocket.
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Well, all defenses work better if the DL can get pressure. The Tampa D doesn't really differentiate itself on DL play (although the two DTs have different responsibilities than many other Ds). It works best with at least one speed rusher at DE, and if the front 4 can get pressure w/o outside help, the defense can just suffocate you.

The BIG difference is in the bottom 7. It relies on fast, speedy linebackers that can cover AND tackle. It also has minimal one-on-one coverage by the CBs, protecting them by keeping the safeties deep. Barber in Tampa is a good example of the kind of corner who succeeds in this defense; Barber doesn't have the pure speed to really cover fast WRs in many other defenses (and would get killed in the old Chicago 54 IMO), but when he's just responsibile for a specific area of the field, his intelligence, willingness to tackle, and ball skills make him a Pro Bowler.

A guy like Al Wilson or Kevin Burnett would be INCREDIBLE in this D. Not that they'd be terrible in another D, but if they played in the Kiffen D, I think they would've both been top 10 draft picks.
 
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This would be my first time to this ...... ITS KIFFIN !! Spell it right or die.

if Monte Kiffen can't get you ready for the NFL, who can??? And since college players tend to be undersized (compared to the pros)
 
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MrNova said:
Well, all defenses work better if the DL can get pressure. The Tampa D doesn't really differentiate itself on DL play (although the two DTs have different responsibilities than many other Ds). It works best with at least one speed rusher at DE, and if the front 4 can get pressure w/o outside help, the defense can just suffocate you.

The BIG difference is in the bottom 7. It relies on fast, speedy linebackers that can cover AND tackle. It also has minimal one-on-one coverage by the CBs, protecting them by keeping the safeties deep. Barber in Tampa is a good example of the kind of corner who succeeds in this defense; Barber doesn't have the pure speed to really cover fast WRs in many other defenses (and would get killed in the old Chicago 54 IMO), but when he's just responsibile for a specific area of the field, his intelligence, willingness to tackle, and ball skills make him a Pro Bowler.

A guy like Al Wilson or Kevin Burnett would be INCREDIBLE in this D. Not that they'd be terrible in another D, but if they played in the Kiffen D, I think they would've both been top 10 draft picks.
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You beat me to it.

I get chlls thinking about what Al Wilson would do in that defense.....
 
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I keep picturing Tebow coming through the middle and getting creamed over and over again...I hope thats a truthful vision
 
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MrNova said:
Well, all defenses work better if the DL can get pressure. The Tampa D doesn't really differentiate itself on DL play (although the two DTs have different responsibilities than many other Ds). It works best with at least one speed rusher at DE, and if the front 4 can get pressure w/o outside help, the defense can just suffocate you.

The BIG difference is in the bottom 7. It relies on fast, speedy linebackers that can cover AND tackle. It also has minimal one-on-one coverage by the CBs, protecting them by keeping the safeties deep. Barber in Tampa is a good example of the kind of corner who succeeds in this defense; Barber doesn't have the pure speed to really cover fast WRs in many other defenses (and would get killed in the old Chicago 54 IMO), but when he's just responsibile for a specific area of the field, his intelligence, willingness to tackle, and ball skills make him a Pro Bowler.

A guy like Al Wilson or Kevin Burnett would be INCREDIBLE in this D. Not that they'd be terrible in another D, but if they played in the Kiffen D, I think they would've both been top 10 draft picks.
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Correct me if I am wrong but this is how i see the Tampa 2

The primary difference between the base 4-3 D and the tampa 2 is found at the middle linebacker position (MIKE) where they are not only responsible for run support but are also prone to drop back in pass coverage, sometimes deep coverage normally reserved for a safety.

The secondary isn't a complicated scheme. It's a "cover 2&#8243; shell with the safeties covering "over the top" of corner backs.

The "cover 2&#8243; essentially has the safeties dividing the field in half with each covering their respective side. The "Tampa 2," when the MIKE position drops into coverage, essentially changes the coverage to a "Cover 3," or the backfield divided into thirds versus halves.

The premium ingredient is having the right personnel in place. A MIKE that can handle both run support and effectively cover the defensive backfield with as much speed and talent as a safety isn't as simple as it may seem.
 
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This may/may not be a potential problem with the Tampa 2...Derrik Brooks, Rhondea Barber, Warren Sapp, and even Big Al Wilson have either excelled or would excell at this defense, for arguments sake, so would Troy Polomolu. Only thing is, none have college eligbility.

In the secondary, CB Erik Berry (in my opinion) doesn't need to be "protected" as it was mentioned as a feature of this D.
 
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ormondjon said:
This may/may not be a potential problem with the Tampa 2...Derrik Brooks, Rhondea Barber, Warren Sapp, and even Big Al Wilson have either excelled or would excell at this defense, for arguments sake, so would Troy Polomolu. Only thing is, none have college eligbility.

In the secondary, CB Erik Berry (in my opinion) doesn't need to be "protected" as it was mentioned as a feature of this D.
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Eric Berry does not play corner, he plays SS. Therefore, EB14 would be providing the protection instead of receiving it.:rock:
 
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Speed is the key to the Tampa 2. You must have fast, physical linebackers that can drop into coverage, and also read for run support.

Corners and Safeties working together, understanding the scheme and staying disciplined.

Speed off the edge, and push up the middle is key for all defenses.
 
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