Monte downgraded?

#76
#76
Pretty sure SEC coaching staffs that the VOLS will face are NOT going to underestimate CMK's defensive prowess. It would be awesome if they would. Im sure CMK would love to see that too. It is meaningless however what fans, writers, 'pundits' think about what he can or can not do. At this point, its about: Did the defense help Tennessee win the game(s).
 
#77
#77
if this is coming from rival team's fans well then these fans are most definitly scared because tenn will be back and even better. they are scared that the time that tenn becomes the dominate team again is just around the corner.
 
#79
#79
The only stat I care about is W's. Last years #3 defensive ranking was overblown, considering 9 of the 12 teams we played were about as bad as we were offensively. I think Monte's presence alone will help get more NFL caliber recruits to consider coming to UT.
 
#81
#81
Mountain creek water does taste much better. Go VOLS!

The_Orange_Pearl said:
So the people saying that believe SEC football is more advanced than the NFL.... Get that **** out of here. :eek:lol: Those people are clueless. Leaves are also better than toilet paper and creek water taste better than purified water.
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#82
#82
Vercingetorix said:
So it's a "lateral move" to go from the guy who coached the second half of the UCLA game last year to an NFL legend. Really?
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Well, I doubt that Monte can come up with a scheme as tricky or effective as the Prowler, or Mustang, but I think he'll manage.
 
#83
#83
I will say this about Monte's D, it does not match up well against teams that pound the ball between the tackles. Alabama will cause some problems. Florida, unless they run 30 Tebow dives up the middle, does not have the pounding running game that causes problems for the Cover-2.

The spread passing game with all its short crossing routes and shallow digs is a lot like the West Coast offense that the cover-2 was designed to stop. What I think we'll see is the speed on defense (not this year but in years to come if Kiffin and crew keep recruiting like they do) cover up mistakes caused by all the misdirection plays the running game out of the spread causes.

Everyone knows UF will score in bunches regardless of the defensive strategy. You have to have an offense to keep up with UF to win. That's why I don't like Tennessee's chances this year.

I'm more worried that Bama will expose the depth problem at DT by pounding the ball than I am UF and its "spread" offense.
 
#84
#84
justingroves said:
I will say this about Monte's D, it does not match up well against teams that pound the ball between the tackles. Alabama will cause some problems. Florida, unless they run 30 Tebow dives up the middle, does not have the pounding running game that causes problems for the Cover-2.

The spread passing game with all its short crossing routes and shallow digs is a lot like the West Coast offense that the cover-2 was designed to stop. What I think we'll see is the speed on defense (not this year but in years to come if Kiffin and crew keep recruiting like they do) cover up mistakes caused by all the misdirection plays the running game out of the spread causes.

Everyone knows UF will score in bunches regardless of the defensive strategy. You have to have an offense to keep up with UF to win. That's why I don't like Tennessee's chances this year.

I'm more worried that Bama will expose the depth problem at DT by pounding the ball than I am UF and its "spread" offense.
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Isn't Meyer planning on putting Tebow under center and utilizing his tailbacks more this year? He has 3 tailbacks; two do not have the size for the pounding type game you describe, but the 3rd (Moody) might.
 
#85
#85
VolDad said:
Isn't Meyer planning on putting Tebow under center and utilizing his tailbacks more this year? He has 3 tailbacks; two do not have the size for the pounding type game you describe, but the 3rd (Moody) might.
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Meyer was recruiting Tebow as a LB too.

He puts Tebow under center he neuters his offense.

Moody still can't hang on to a football either
 
#86
#86
mattvols said:
I've never heard anyone say any of this. If your friends are saying this then your friends are morons. I've heard people say he may have problems with the spread and offenses like that since he never faced them in the NFL but thats the only one I've heard
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+1 Now and then a piece of truth is found on a message board.
 
#87
#87
I dont care what system you run, you have to have certain type of players to run certain schemes. Fortunately for Monte when he came to the Bucs in 96 he had the players Brooks, Lynch, Sapp and the next year Barber to set the stage for one of the best run of D domination in the NFL.The question is was this a "right place at right time" scenario or was this Monte molding great players into elite killers?

For me he proved it with his adjustment and eye for new talent when Sapp and Lynch left and didn't miss a beat.Granted you can say that the Bucs didnt win another Super Bowl and both Sapp and Lynch were on the downside of their careers but something has to be said about Monte's handling of the defense and the self destruction of the "offensive guru" Grudens offense which seemed to sabotage many games which lead to Grudens demise..
 
#89
#89
seriously.. Monte has no clue what to do with S E C teams???:eek:lol:
I didn't even bother to read all of that.. you gotta be kidding right??
 
#90
#90
Monte deserves to be downgraded if he's letting mediocre backs like Tauren Poole run up and down the field on his defense... ain't that right, Griff.
 
#91
#91
BrierVol61 said:
The way to slow the spread offense has not changed. Extremely stong D line play. Disruptive LB play and great DB play. UT "slowed" UF last year. Our offense was so pitiful though, they cost the defense. This year's defense will be fine. great even. But can UT make a first down? Hold the ball long enough to give the defense a breather? For UT to be sucessful this year, they will literally have to be as Fulmer once described the offense he preferred. Yes we are going to run it often, but can you stop it? Can you stop Hardesty, Brown, Oku, Poole and whomever else we have? Four senior offensive linemen with a attitude? A nominal passing game to keep teams from cheating too many in to the box. monte will not be a downgrade. he is a proven guru with a proven defensive scheme. If anyone could adjust to the spread, or for example, have realized last year that UCLA would not pass more than 5 yards downfield in the second half, it would be Monte. He is great at game time adjustments. This year ought to be fun.
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this is key!!!!
 
#93
#93
Everything I've read said Monty's was one of the most respected coordinators in the NFL. Haven't seen anything to change that other then concern about his age and how long he wants to continue coaching.
 
#96
#96
notaguru2 said:
If you're like me, you've started hearing rumblings of assorted fans and writers downgrading Monte Kiffin's defensive prowess as we start fall practice. They're saying his defensive schemes may not compete well against our big rivals. They're saying his schemes are outdated even by SEC standards. They're saying he can't learn what our rivals do quick enough to counter it.

How do you reconcile this with all of the preseason hype around Monte? Is this just a way to ground us a little more and lower our expectations? Do our expectations need to be lowered? I was hanging our ability to compete with top-flight programs in the SEC on the strength of our 'D'.

Regardless of why people are starting to distance themselves from their once praise for Monte, I'm sticking with him. I think he's going to keep us in games that the pundits predict we'll be handily beaten in.
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I personally have heard none of this. If anyone thinks our defense will be 3rd in the nation again, they are probably dreaming. But, that doesn't mean Monte doesn't know what he is doing. We are going to have a lot a new guys learning a new system, so this is to be expected. I don't expect our defense to be as good as last year, but I think it will be really good. Monte Kiffin is the man, and I don't know to many people that would argue that.
 
#97
#97
govols182 said:
Just our rival fans trying to feel better about playing our D. I know quite a few people that think he won't be as good because he won't have NFL talent. People can be dumb sometimes.
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Do these people that point out that he does not have NFL talent also point out that he will not be playing NFL teams ? Do they not know that Monte probably notices this very obvious issue and is dealing with it with the vast amount of collegiate and NFL experience ?
 
#98
#98
majic73 said:
Do these people that point out that he does not have NFL talent also point out that he will not be playing NFL teams ? Do they not know that Monte probably notices this very obvious issue and is dealing with it with the vast amount of collegiate and NFL experience ?
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Logic... :crazy:

Can't have too much of that around here.
 
#99
#99
VolCowboy said:
Well I would agree his base defense is not designed for the spread or the spread option. I have no doubt he can customize it to handle those offenses.
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If his defenses could not defend the 'spread' ...then someone in the NFL should start running the spread !!

All sarcasm aside ...the Tampa 2 is just a shell at its base . Anything can happen out of this shell , players will move before the snap and post snap into whole new zones to confuse the offense .

The 'spread ' does not change defensive assignments . You still have to contain the outside , the interior gaps , the underneath , and deep . Who is running it does not matter ( FB or QB ? ) IF the gap control is there it does not matter .

What you will see out of Monte is a funnell system run out of the 4-3 shell . He will funnel the run to certain gaps and have personell asigned to punish the runner or receiver when they get to where he already knows they are going ( usually the underneath ) This punishment / funnell system tends to cause alot of turnovers . It makes offenses work alot harder BECAUSE you are giving them 5 yard gains but you are hitting and trying to strip everyone that touches the ball . So an O has to run alot more plays to score and they get hit more . You get the rare situation where a defense actually wears down an offense .

You will see hidden defenses . UT has the talent to not change personnel out of the 4-3 base but run a 'nickel' The QB sees base , but gets nickel when he calls the pass. He sees Berry bracketing a receiver , changes to option right , but when he says hut ...berry becomes a 4th linebacker or drops into the low zone and the backer that usually does that is blitzing through the gap he intended to run through .

The rules won't change for Monte ...but they will for everybody else !
 
#100
#100
majic73 said:
If his defenses could not defend the 'spread' ...then someone in the NFL should start running the spread !!

All sarcasm aside ...the Tampa 2 is just a shell at its base . Anything can happen out of this shell , players will move before the snap and post snap into whole new zones to confuse the offense .

The 'spread ' does not change defensive assignments . You still have to contain the outside , the interior gaps , the underneath , and deep . Who is running it does not matter ( FB or QB ? ) IF the gap control is there it does not matter .

What you will see out of Monte is a funnell system run out of the 4-3 shell . He will funnel the run to certain gaps and have personell asigned to punish the runner or receiver when they get to where he already knows they are going ( usually the underneath ) This punishment / funnell system tends to cause alot of turnovers . It makes offenses work alot harder BECAUSE you are giving them 5 yard gains but you are hitting and trying to strip everyone that touches the ball . So an O has to run alot more plays to score and they get hit more . You get the rare situation where a defense actually wears down an offense .

You will see hidden defenses . UT has the talent to not change personnel out of the 4-3 base but run a 'nickel' The QB sees base , but gets nickel when he calls the pass. He sees Berry bracketing a receiver , changes to option right , but when he says hut ...berry becomes a 4th linebacker or drops into the low zone and the backer that usually does that is blitzing through the gap he intended to run through .

The rules won't change for Monte ...but they will for everybody else !
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Nice explination.
 
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