Monte downgraded?

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notaguru2

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If you're like me, you've started hearing rumblings of assorted fans and writers downgrading Monte Kiffin's defensive prowess as we start fall practice. They're saying his defensive schemes may not compete well against our big rivals. They're saying his schemes are outdated even by SEC standards. They're saying he can't learn what our rivals do quick enough to counter it.

How do you reconcile this with all of the preseason hype around Monte? Is this just a way to ground us a little more and lower our expectations? Do our expectations need to be lowered? I was hanging our ability to compete with top-flight programs in the SEC on the strength of our 'D'.

Regardless of why people are starting to distance themselves from their once praise for Monte, I'm sticking with him. I think he's going to keep us in games that the pundits predict we'll be handily beaten in.
 
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I don't buy any of that for a second...

Where are these rumblings you are hearing about? Link?
 
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Well I would agree his base defense is not designed for the spread or the spread option. I have no doubt he can customize it to handle those offenses.
 
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They're saying his schemes are outdated even by SEC standards.
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So the people saying that believe SEC football is more advanced than the NFL.... Get that **** out of here. :eek:lol: Those people are clueless. Leaves are also better than toilet paper and creek water taste better than purified water.
 
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Just our rival fans trying to feel better about playing our D. I know quite a few people that think he won't be as good because he won't have NFL talent. People can be dumb sometimes.
 
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I've read numerous articles as well - most saying that it was a lateral move with Chavis to Monte and some expected our defense to drop off a bit next year as well being the first year in the scheme since it's so "complicated" - he's not making it up.

Then hundreds of random posts from other teams fans blabbering the exact some stuff on other message boards.
 
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If this is coming because of his last season with the Bucs, I would put their bad play more on aging players than on Monte's scheme.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I don't buy any of that for a second...

Where are these rumblings you are hearing about? Link?
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The Sport Animal gurus were talking about it this morning. They didn't quote specific people (that I recall) and they strongly disagreed with the pundits. I just can't figure out why people can say these things before we've played even one game. It seems baseless to me. They pointed to the fact that we return some great players to defense this year and we should be solid all the way around.
 
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I think it's funny that opposing fans are saying Monte's scheme is too complicated when multiple players on UT's team are saying his scheme is easier to understand than Chavis's, and multiple NFL analysts say it's one of the most simple defensive schemes in the NFL.:birgits_giggle:
 
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Who's saying it? Bama? gators? I dont think you earn the rep he did in the pros and have those failings.. Im calling BS on it.
 
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I think Monte may need a few adjustment games though...NFL game is a lot different then what he will see @ FL, Auburn, @ Ole Miss

Those teams spread it around a good bit...use trickery

I feel confident in him being able to handle anything GA or Bama can throw at him though
 
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Well, when UT isn't ranked third defensively at the end of the season and when they allow one single play of longer than 37 yards, it will be confirmed that John Chavis is better at what he does than Monte F. Kiffin.
 
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notaguru2 said:
If you're like me, you've started hearing rumblings of assorted fans and writers downgrading Monte Kiffin's defensive prowess as we start fall practice. They're saying his defensive schemes may not compete well against our big rivals. They're saying his schemes are outdated even by SEC standards. They're saying he can't learn what our rivals do quick enough to counter it.
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First of all, I haven't heard anything from a single one of these idiots that you're saying are "downgrading" Monte Kiffin's coaching abilities.

Second of all, any moron claiming that Monte's defensive schemes are "outdated even by SEC standards" or that "he can't learn what our rivals do quick enough to counter it" is too ignorant to even participate in any worthwhile conversation about football. Monte's defensive schemes are so outdated that they are used by several of the most dominant defensive teams in the NFL.
 
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The NFL is the pinnacle of the football profession and contains far and away the greatest compilations of offensive and defensive minds in the game, period. The amount of knowledge in the college ranks does not even compare one iota to that in the NFL. I will take the opinions and judgements of Monte's peers a hundred times over the opinions of pundits and fans.
 
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tidwell said:
Well, when UT isn't ranked third defensively at the end of the season and when they allow one single play of longer than 37 yards, it will be confirmed that John Chavis is better at what he does than Monte F. Kiffin.
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And when this defense allows fewer points and forces more turnovers... everyone that knocked this coaching staff and Monte's system can kiss my a**. :)
 
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tidwell said:
Well, when UT isn't ranked third defensively at the end of the season and when they allow one single play of longer than 37 yards, it will be confirmed that John Chavis is better at what he does than Monte F. Kiffin.
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For some reason I doubt Tennessee fans will have a phrase called "Third and Monte" because of the regular occurence of giving up 3rd and 10+ conversions.
 
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I can say with confidence that although some of the formations will look different, there is nothing new IN PRINCIPLE that any team will throw against UT that Monte Kiffin hasn't seen before.

I have read on various message boards that some people think Monte will struggle with the transition from the NFL to the college ranks. It seems like a legitimate concern. The players under him will be far less advance and in general, less talented than the pro bowlers he had playing for him at Tampa Bay for all of those years.

Of course, some people argue those players were only pro bowlers BECAUSE of Monte; The argument can go to ways.

But since the players are having to learn a new system, and since UT did lose a lot of key players off of last years team, I think the defense could have a drop off from last year, but over the long haul, you'd have to anticipate that Monte is going to be one of the best DCs in the conference.
 
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And yes part of these people's arguments was Tampa Bay's bad defensive performances at the end of last year. No one here is saying they're right or wrong - just telling you it's there - and in articles and blogs - not just from fans.
 
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IMO with CMK's mind, love for football, hard work, and overall experience there will not be a problem. I actually believe he might have downgraded in the sense that he is a chess player who is now in a checkers players' league.
 
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Monte is da man until he proves otherwise! He still has the heart and eats, sleeps and breathes football. He will be prepared for all of our opponents.

As of now, it is just talk and wishful thinking from opposing fans I suppose.
 
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Being a die hard Falcons fan, Monte was the first, and best coordinator to completley stop our former quarterback, who is maybe the most unpredictable and best scrambler in the NFL, at least that I have ever seen for sure. We tried NFL variations of the spread/West Verginia offenses back then and he always crushed us. When we played the Bucs, I could pretty much count on a loss for the Birds. Like others have said, the NFL is the peak of the game, and I really can't see Monte being a downgrade, or outsmarted really.
 
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I've never heard anyone say any of this. If your friends are saying this then your friends are morons. I've heard people say he may have problems with the spread and offenses like that since he never faced them in the NFL but thats the only one I've heard
 
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