Monday Press Conference

[bamawriter]

You've nite said that 3 times. I get it.

Probably not the most eloquent, but pretty easy to get his point. Although, I think a simple no comment minus the lecture would've sufficed.

There is my point. If you don't want to comment, don't. If you don't want to discuss a specific injury, don't.

Further, if you are willing to discuss an injury (which Jones was clearly willing to do, whether he told the truth or lied) then say your piece and move on. Jones knows full well where the fight story originated. He knows that it wasn't made up by anyone in the media. Whether or not the story was true, he knows that it was a legitimate question. But, he is by no means obligated to answer any question, no matter how legitimate.

He chose to answer. The truth of that answer is not really the point. The point was somewhere in the rambling, disjointed diatribe. My takeaway is that he thinks the media should act as water-carriers for the program, or that the fans should be an amen corner loud enough to drown out the negative news.

Maybe you don't think that was his point. But I know how I took it, and I know how others in the press, radio, etc took it. This was not a good moment for Butch, and it was easily avoidable.

 

[jakez4ut]

Why? Do you think Currie enjoys this gorilla style attack on our football program by the media? It sure isn't helpful and can only damage our brand. These guys just pounce on red meat for their benefit alone. Can't see why true fans would condone it either.

no. i don't. i think he's more interested in how his coach handles the situation, and represents the program and university. the media is going to do what they do.

if i were CBJ's boss, i'd care less about the questions being asked, and more about how my coach handles it, and represents our university publically. and again, i think you can make a case that what he said was a "good for him" moment, that can be looked at as defending his players.

or it could show a guy that's cracking under immense outside pressure.

we'll find out which is which.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

Maybe you don't think that was his point. But I know how I took it, and I know how others in the press, radio, etc took it. This was not a good moment for Butch, and it was easily avoidable.

Why do people laugh and applaud Saban when he does it? Can't say because he wins it's ok. It's not about that. It's about defending your program from journalistic snipers. Saban gets it but it's ok when he does it?

 

[jakez4ut]

Why do people laugh and applaud Saban when he does it? Can't say because he wins it's ok. It's not about that. It's about defending your program from journalistic snipers. Saban gets it but it's ok when he does it?

you can, and it is. is it a double standard? yes. but saban has that equity. butch doesn't. it really is that simple.

 

[VolGee4]

His last answer was barely coherent.

Didn't understand?

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

no. i don't. i think he's more interested in how his coach handles the situation, and represents the program and university. the media is going to do what they do.

if i were CBJ's boss, i'd care less about the questions being asked, and more about how my coach handles it, and represents our university publically. and again, i think you can make a case that what he said was a "good for him" moment, that can be looked at as defending his players.

or it could show a guy that's cracking under immense outside pressure.

we'll find out which is which.

I respect the question you pose it's just seems obvious to me; as an AD I'd like my coach to show backbone against potentially harmful media reports.

 

[bamawriter]

Why do people laugh and applaud Saban when he does it? Can't say because he wins it's ok. It's not about that. It's about defending your program from journalistic snipers. Saban gets it but it's ok when he does it?

No, it really is about winning. Winning is a shield. When you win, you don't have to spend a lot of time defending your program. From what are you defending it?

 

[jakez4ut]

I respect the question you pose it's just seems obvious to me; as an AD I'd like my coach to show backbone against potentially harmful media reports.

me too. to a certain extent. the problem butch has is his history with the media and all the quips he's quite well known for, and been made fun of ad nauseum.

the media has their perception of him, and short of winning the East or the SEC, there's not much going to change that perception so long as he continues to react the way he did today.

and in the end, what happened to day...really not that big of a deal. it's just that's butch. and he said something else..........look out.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

you can, and it is. is it a double standard? yes. but saban has that equity. butch doesn't. it really is that simple.

I only speak for myself, but maybe others feel the same. This isn't about W and L. Hell, it's no longer about football and that's the damn point. The media and s bringing unwarranted drama to our team. They aren't really trying to find the truth. Don't believe that for a minute. They are trying to selfishly get people to read their wonderful headlines - that they will masterfully produce for your clicking pleasure.

Butch has earned the right to combat that nonsense by the simple fact he is a human being - one that cares about the psychological well-being of the young kids whose parents entrusted him with the development of their sons. He is genuine when he references that as a big deal to him.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

No, it really is about winning. Winning is a shield. When you win, you don't have to spend a lot of time defending your program. From what are you defending it?

This is teenage girl rumor mill drama. That simple. CBJ decided to tell them to GO F themselves in a very mild manner. Many of us are glad he did.

BTW..this is not a defense of a CBJs abilities or resume as UT coach. It really is just people being sick of this totally repugnant stain the media tries to smear on our program.

 

[BeecherVol]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what he said.

Media is just butt hurt because someone said what needed to be said a long time ago. The media is an absolute JOKE.

If you think they care you haven't been paying attention.

It may have made him feel better as he walked away but his first mistake was thinking he could manipulate them for the perception he wanted visible.

 

[jakez4ut]

I only speak for myself, but maybe others feel the same. This isn't about W and L. Hell, it's no longer about football and that's the damn point. The media and s bringing unwarranted drama to our team. They aren't really trying to find the truth. Don't believe that for a minute. They are trying to selfishly get people to read their wonderful headlines - that they will masterfully produce for your clicking pleasure.

Butch has earned the right to combat that nonsense by the simple fact he is a human being - one that cares about the psychological well-being of the young kids whose parents entrusted him with the development of their sons. He is genuine when he references that as a big deal to him.

exactly and butch seemingly being oblivious that is maddening. the inability, or refusal, to tailor the message to the people that will communicate it, is part of the reason the drama exists.

i mean, be honest, if you don't make "champions of life" comment after losing the East, or "5 star hearts" after not getting the kids you wanted in state.....or "we don't talk about winning the east" after losing to USCe/FL beating LSU last year.........none of this is an issue.

or, beat vandy/lsu, beat FL 15/17, beat OU, or beat ARK...either way, none of this is an issue.

it's the sum of all those parts that get us where we are right now.

i don't like it either. i like it less that our coach continues to provide content, either on the field, or in front of a mic.

and again, it's never been the message that i've had an issue with. it's all the delivery method and timing.

 

[BeecherVol]

This is teenage girl rumor mill drama. That simple. CBJ decided to tell them to GO F themselves in a very mild manner. Many of us are glad he did.

BTW..this is not a defense of a CBJs abilities or resume as UT coach. It really is just people being sick of this totally repugnant stain the media tries to smear on our program.

Like it or not, this is not a snowball he's gonna stop with a Go F yourself at the Mic. That's why the Saban example doesn't make sense to you.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

I get it. He is thin skinned and that's a flaw. But at some point you expect people to rally round the flag when an outside threat attempts to damage your interests. Look, the debate how CBJs future is legitimate. But if you and your wife are having s disagreement, I wouldn't expect you to be ok with a passerby adding fuel to the fire - you put them in their place.

 

[jakez4ut]

there's some polyana view point out there that says the media is what some of us know 'the news' used to be.

it's not. the media/news environment these coaches live in is wholly different than at any point in history, up to the last 10-15 years or so.

expecting it to be one way because that's what you want it to be, and continually trying to "make" it that way just doesn't work anymore. the internet has all but eliminated "journalists'" need for access. it's not the end all be all anymore, and really, looking at who's reading the majority of what's out there, the consumer/fan/whatever, doesn't really care if the writer has any insider information, sources, or if they've ever seen a game, much less a practice.

all you need is a twitter handle, and a URL. and say stuff. if you're lucky, a guy like Butch Jones comes along and provides an outlet for visceral reaction.

that's where we are. and it's not the media's fault.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

Like it or not, this is not a snowball he's gonna stop with a Go F yourself at the Mic. That's why the Saban example doesn't make sense to you.

I understand. Not saying it'll stop it...hell,those light weight journalists are just trying to make a name for themselves; that'll never stop. I'm just saying he's right to defend himself and the kids. Not to mention how damaging this is to Warrior. How come people aren't pissed about that at the very least???

 

[jakez4ut]

I get it. He is thin skinned and that's a flaw. But at some point you expect people to rally round the flag when an outside threat attempts to damage your interests. Look, the debate how CBJs future is legitimate. But if you and your wife are having s disagreement, I wouldn't expect you to be ok with a passerby adding fuel to the fire - you put them in their place.

well that depends....on what she, or I, did, and if the passerby supported my side or not.......lol:

 

[BeecherVol]

I get it. He is thin skinned and that's a flaw. But at some point you expect people to rally round the flag when an outside threat attempts to damage your interests. Look, the debate how CBJs future is legitimate. But if you and your wife are having s disagreement, I wouldn't expect you to be ok with a passerby adding fuel to the fire - you put them in their place.

His problem right now is that his football team is undiscipled, undeveloped, and poorly prepared. And he's losing support every Saturday.

 

[jakez4ut]

I understand. Not saying it'll stop it...hell,those light weight journalists are just trying to make a name for themselves; that'll never stop. I'm just saying he's right to defend himself and the kids. Not to mention how damaging this is to Warrior. How come people aren't pissed about that at the very least???

agree. it's the "how" he chooses to do it....:thumbsup:

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

the media is like playing alabama. you can't avoid it, and right now Jones loses too much...to both.

but i don't even disagree with you on the current media climate.

and i don't have an issue with what he said....

i don't think as a head coach at a program like TN you do yourself, or the program, any favors when you make contradictory statements within minutes of each other, nor do i think you help yourself or the program when you make statements that just don't make a lot of sense.

and again, i don't think he had to say anything about a fight one way or the other, and i'd also agree that it's probably better to just not say anything about it if that's what happened.

but the media is what it is, and it's part of being the caretaker of the program. and while it's not the most important aspect of his job, it is part of his job. and he just doesn't have the street cred to do what Nick Saban does. is that a double standard? absolutely it is.

and as the face of the program, good or bad, if you don't think that will weigh on Currie's decision making process, i think that's a bit naive....especially if the season takes a dive from this point. then it's just excuse making from a thin skinned coach that can't take the pressure, and is showing signs of cracking.

win Saturday, and most of this is forgotten, keep winning, and he's a champion for his players, and should be lauded.

what Jones fails to understand or accept, is that he doesn't control the narrative. yet he continues to try, and he winds up painting himself in these corners where he feels he has no choice but to defend himself or his players. and that's on him.

he's not a jerk like Brian Kelly or anything. but the source of the fodder is not coming from the media or fans. it's coming from him. and he's allowed these narratives to develop because of his failure to understand how he could use the media as a communication tool. now it's adversarial.

it just is what it is at this point. and like i siap, my initial gut reaction when i listened today was "good for him". still doesn't matter.

Your post makes a lot of sense. I think I'm past the point of being able to make allowances on my own behalf but you've helped me to see some reason in a different perspective even if I viscerally don't want to see it.

 

[jakez4ut]

Your post makes a lot of sense. I think I'm past the point of being able to make allowances on my own behalf but you've helped me to see some reason in a different perspective even if I viscerally don't want to see it.

well thank you. :hi:

 

[BeecherVol]

I understand. Not saying it'll stop it...hell,those light weight journalists are just trying to make a name for themselves; that'll never stop. I'm just saying he's right to defend himself and the kids. Not to mention how damaging this is to Warrior. How come people aren't pissed about that at the very least???

He hasn't helped himself. He doesn't swing the same stick that others coaches do on the field or at the podium. Why he thinks a journalist is supposed to write as a fan is a special level of naive.

 

[CoaxialOrange]

I understand. Not saying it'll stop it...hell,those light weight journalists are just trying to make a name for themselves; that'll never stop. I'm just saying he's right to defend himself and the kids. Not to mention how damaging this is to Warrior. How come people aren't pissed about that at the very least???

The lightweights aren't what set him off. It was Adams and Hyams. If you're struggling to win games you should or do basic things as a program local media isn't who you go after. There is a lot they know that probably doesn't get printed.

 

[FloraBamaVol]

They actually weren't going to let adams ask the question and passed the mic to jimmy.

Who asked the exact same question they did not want asked

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

well that depends....on what she, or I, did, and if the passerby supported my side or not.......lol:

True 🙂.

Unfortunately that's exactly how many fans play this scenario. Take the opposite side of CBJ in every situation. You have to at least admit that is happening around here.

It's really a microcosm of society. We are at polar extremes in every debate...political, social, etc... The world today rarely concedes points on these issues. They pick a side and will defend 100% of the points as to never admit a defeat

You're a good poster Jake. Unfortunately, VN is full of immature keyboard cowboys who'd rather pass one line, childish statements rather than partake in substantial debate. I suppose it's too much effort for some.