Monday Press conference (merged)

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agent|orange said:
You attack the middle of the field.

You don't keep your RB in pass protection if 3-4 guys are continually getting to the QB. You release him as a check-down.

You provide some kind of check-down for your ailing QB.

Basic crap Bajay wasn't doing all game.

Think about it this way, the dam is bursting and Bajakian thinks sandbags are going to help. They're a stop-gap at best.

The best way to help the QB isn't to protect against the inevitable, it's to punish the oppositioin for being too aggressive. He did that against OU and it ended up being a huge gain for Hurd. We didn't run any of that against UF.

RB chip-block and release. QB gets him the ball. Even if it's stopped for 3 yards, you make progress instead of just having Worley take a coverage sack after 3 seconds.
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good post...
 
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#152
I think Scott will be a big part of the solution. I hate saying it but Hurd is not very good in space it takes him too long to get chuggin. We need a scat back who has explosion in the worst way. I thought Devrin Young was gonna do that last week but of course once it worked they stopped doing it.
 
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#153
So CBJ and Bajak.. understand the offense, but apparently its too complicated for our OL or some of our skill positions to understand (yet).

So for the bonus round....who can tell me when we heard this exact same description for offensive woes and for another $200 tell me who the offensive coord was?

If one tard OC can bring down Fulmer considering his UT legacy, I'm pretty sure a guy with NO UT legacy can get it too (not that I want that to happen....just sayin')
 
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bignewt said:
I think Scott will be a big part of the solution. I hate saying it but Hurd is not very good in space it takes him too long to get chuggin. We need a scat back who has explosion in the worst way. I thought Devrin Young was gonna do that last week but of course once it worked they stopped doing it.
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I thought the same thing, I remember having success with him on one play in particular, then never saw them try it again.
 
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bignewt said:
I think Scott will be a big part of the solution. I hate saying it but Hurd is not very good in space it takes him too long to get chuggin. We need a scat back who has explosion in the worst way. I thought Devrin Young was gonna do that last week but of course once it worked they stopped doing it.
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I am confused as to why Scott hasn't got reps.?? Is it one of those deals, where since he could contribute, we won't play him? Much better to see how many reps Hurd can take before an injury? Doesn't make since. If we are only averaging 1-2 yds per carry....play the kid
Apologies if he got a snap against UF, and I don't remember(i was into the beer).
 
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agent|orange said:
Yet, again, Kiffin/Chaney/Cregg took a roster with 15 OL, only 12 of them scholarship players, and turned out a good year.

That's a 260lb walk-on at LG and a 260lb walk-on at C, mind you.

Compared to that 2009 roster, the 2014 OL are Ferraris.

Time to cut the crap. We've seen what an SEC-quality staff can do with a hodgepodge of players.
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You mean the same coach that couldn't move the ball at all with USC which led to his firing....
 
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A. It's NOT a read option.
B. You can't pull a wagon without horses...the Vols don't have the athletes to handle D lines like OU's, UGA's, FU's nor probably Ole Miss or Bama's.
C. You can't just re-scheme the blocks in a short week. 'Can't do it.
D. CBJ is certainly evaluating his staff, as he does everything.

It's been known all along that the O-line's UT's weak point and DC's have prior game films to set up their schemes. Florida had 2 weeks. Winning 6 games will be, as anticipated, a good season considering the lack of talent WHICH IS STILL IN A FORMULATIVE STAGE.
 
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sameolvol said:
A. It's NOT a read option.
B. You can't pull a wagon without horses...the Vols don't have the athletes to handle D lines like OU's, UGA's, FU's nor probably Ole Miss or Bama's.
C. You can't just re-scheme the blocks in a short week. 'Can't do it.
D. CBJ is certainly evaluating his staff, as he does everything.

It's been known all along that the O-line's UT's weak point and DC's have prior game films to set up their schemes. Florida had 2 weeks. Winning 6 games will be, as anticipated, a good season considering the lack of talent WHICH IS STILL IN A FORMULATIVE STAGE.
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Without bizzaro play calling we could easily be 2-0 in the SEC
 
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f77f00 said:
Let's just call it the Offense That Doesn't Work (and never will with the players we field) since Jones doesn't want to clarify exactly what that crap is.
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He said it was a gap run. Sounds like they are trying to get a double team on a d-lineman and delaying the handoff to the RB to find that hole. Could be wrong but that's the way I understand it when it says it is a gap run and not a zone read.
 
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UTjonez said:
He said it was a gap run. Sounds like they are trying to get a double team on a d-lineman and delaying the handoff to the RB to find that hole. Could be wrong but that's the way I understand it when it says it is a gap run and not a zone read.
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That is my understanding as well. Which, excites me because we have promising TEs and RBs (either enrolled or committed). Once the O line is up to par, we will have a strong offense.
 
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McDad said:
Okay. Im totally confused. Do we run the read option, the zone read, or something else? And isn't the zone read and read option 2 different names for the same offensive scheme?
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There was a discussion on this topic back before the season, but I can't find the thread. Our OC calls it the zone read but our O-line coach calls it the zone. We are running the zone. O-line coaches don't care about sounding trendy, so he calls it what it is. The zone read is all the rage right now with high school qb's so our head coach and coordinators tell them that is what we run.

Those are two different schemes. The zone blocking scheme does not leave anyone unblocked. Every lineman has a responsibility to block the defender is their zone. The confusion with that is for young players they get confused on who to block and many times end up double teaming one guy and leaving one unblocked. complex blitzes make it hard for younger lineman to figure out who is their responsibility. (see Oklahoma film for a clinic in missed assignments from our line) The zone read leaves a man free from which the quarterback uses as his read key and decides if he should keep or hand off the ball. The theory there is that a defense is always going to try and have more people defending any given play than the offense can block based on how the linebackers respond to certain reads they make on the offensive lineman's blocks. By leaving one play side defender unblocked, you hope to have enough blockers for everyone else and there should be no way that the read defender can cover the interior run as well as the qb keeper. He has to pick one or the other. Sometimes that is the defensive end and sometimes it's a linebacker.

Since we don't actually run the zone read, the only way we can slow down the defense is with counters. We rarely run counters though. That's what puzzles me. We should also throw substantially more pop routes to the tight ends right behind the linebackers. that would help soften up the run defense more than anything. I look for us to do more of both of those going forward. If not, we have a problem with offensive coaching. I don't say that to sound like a know it all. It's just common play calling sense. It blows my mind that we don't do more of it.
 
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volnation2217 said:
There was a discussion on this topic back before the season, but I can't find the thread. Our OC calls it the zone read but our O-line coach calls it the zone. We are running the zone. O-line coaches don't care about sounding trendy, so he calls it what it is. The zone read is all the rage right now with high school qb's so our head coach and coordinators tell them that is what we run.

Those are two different schemes. The zone blocking scheme does not leave anyone unblocked. Every lineman has a responsibility to block the defender is their zone. The confusion with that is for young players they get confused on who to block and many times end up double teaming one guy and leaving one unblocked. complex blitzes make it hard for younger lineman to figure out who is their responsibility. (see Oklahoma film for a clinic in missed assignments from our line) The zone read leaves a man free from which the quarterback uses as his read key and decides if he should keep or hand off the ball. The theory there is that a defense is always going to try and have more people defending any given play than the offense can block based on how the linebackers respond to certain reads they make on the offensive lineman's blocks. By leaving one play side defender unblocked, you hope to have enough blockers for everyone else and there should be no way that the read defender can cover the interior run as well as the qb keeper. He has to pick one or the other. Sometimes that is the defensive end and sometimes it's a linebacker.

Since we don't actually run the zone read, the only way we can slow down the defense is with counters. We rarely run counters though. That's what puzzles me. We should also throw substantially more pop routes to the tight ends right behind the linebackers. that would help soften up the run defense more than anything. I look for us to do more of both of those going forward. If not, we have a problem with offensive coaching. I don't say that to sound like a know it all. It's just common play calling sense. It blows my mind that we don't do more of it.
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Thank you. Some others made mention of a gap scheme which sounds like what you're calling zone blocking. Bottom line is, our QB isn't supoosed to read and then run, option, or throw. There are so many confused about this.
 
#167
#167
McDad said:
That is my understanding as well. Which, excites me because we have promising TEs and RBs (either enrolled or committed). Once the O line is up to par, we will have a strong offense.
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Which is why any realistic fan understood this season we would see some moments from freshman that would be great (TKjr having 2 picks in 2 games.) and we would see plays from these freshman that would be catastrophic (Hurd's fumble at UGA or the oline giving up 6 sacks a game.). This season was destined to be a roller coaster ride of emotions for all involved in the Big Orange Nation players, coaches, fans and so on. Listen to our players and to the recruits we have a lot to be excited about. GBO!
 
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KBVol said:
Muschamp, while systemically destroying Florida's program and getting pummeled by the likes of Vandy and Georgia Southern......is 4-0 vs Tennessee.
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Hang in there, KB. There is improvement coming.
 
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#171
hog88 said:
Run some two TE sets to help the tackles on the edge, or at least bring an H-back over to chip on the D-end. Have a TE chip the DE then run a play action TE seam. Run some two back sets to help pick up the blitz or chip on the D-ends. Roll the pocket out. Provide a lead blocker every now and then. Have Worley pull the ball and run once in a while to stop the D ends and linebackers from crashing the middle on every run play.

Just a few suggestions.
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Those are some pretty good suggestions. :hi:
 
#172
#172
TechnoVol said:
CBJ is talking about Jimmy Stanton, the Sports Info Director. CBJ said he would have Jimmy set something up so he could explain the offensive concepts they use because he feels there is a lot of confusion in the media and fan base regarding the offense. CBJ sounded serious about doing it.
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This is so stupid if true. Pretty sure it will be like "so this is what is suppose to happen, but our players are not executing"

CBJ needs to stop defending his offensive philosophy. Yes, it can work, but right now its not as effective as it should be.
 
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volnation2217 said:
There was a discussion on this topic back before the season, but I can't find the thread. Our OC calls it the zone read but our O-line coach calls it the zone. We are running the zone. O-line coaches don't care about sounding trendy, so he calls it what it is. The zone read is all the rage right now with high school qb's so our head coach and coordinators tell them that is what we run.

Those are two different schemes. The zone blocking scheme does not leave anyone unblocked. Every lineman has a responsibility to block the defender is their zone. The confusion with that is for young players they get confused on who to block and many times end up double teaming one guy and leaving one unblocked. complex blitzes make it hard for younger lineman to figure out who is their responsibility. (see Oklahoma film for a clinic in missed assignments from our line) The zone read leaves a man free from which the quarterback uses as his read key and decides if he should keep or hand off the ball. The theory there is that a defense is always going to try and have more people defending any given play than the offense can block based on how the linebackers respond to certain reads they make on the offensive lineman's blocks. By leaving one play side defender unblocked, you hope to have enough blockers for everyone else and there should be no way that the read defender can cover the interior run as well as the qb keeper. He has to pick one or the other. Sometimes that is the defensive end and sometimes it's a linebacker.

Since we don't actually run the zone read, the only way we can slow down the defense is with counters. We rarely run counters though. That's what puzzles me. We should also throw substantially more pop routes to the tight ends right behind the linebackers. that would help soften up the run defense more than anything. I look for us to do more of both of those going forward. If not, we have a problem with offensive coaching. I don't say that to sound like a know it all. It's just common play calling sense. It blows my mind that we don't do more of it.
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Thx...Im learning, getting pieces here and there. CBJ made reference to what we run as being a "gap scheme". Was exactly is that? If a gap is temporarily open...then you hand it off....with our OL?
 
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#174
Dougie_D said:
This is so stupid if true. Pretty sure it will be like "so this is what is suppose to happen, but our players are not executing"

CBJ needs to stop defending his offensive philosophy. Yes, it can work, but right now its not as effective as it should be.
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That press conference told me everything I need to know about Butch; he's not willing to do everything it takes to win. Stop being so defensive about your offense. Heck, Fulmer could probably give your O-line coach some pointers. But, taking advice from anyone would require Butch to swallow his pride and admit that his offense doesn't work with the players he has.

He can be defensive all he wants. But, from the way it's looking, the only wins left are Chattanooga and Vandy. Losses are probable in all the others.
 
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GrowVol said:
Thx...Im learning, getting pieces here and there. CBJ made reference to what we run as being a "gap scheme". Was exactly is that? If a gap is temporarily open...then you hand it off....with our OL?
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a gap scheme would indicate that we are not attempting to block everyone in a particular zone of the defense but rather only those in one particular hole. It's still a zone running game scheme in that who you block depends on who is in that gap. This is normally referred to when running an old school style power formation with a lead back or pulling guards. play side linemen block down, lead back or pulling lineman block out, and back side linemen bucket step kinda like a pass protection and cut the d linemen.

UT don't use a lead back and our lineman are not fast enough or athletic enough to lead up in the hole. The reason our plays take so long to develop is slow lineman attempting to lead in the whole. Counters are our best running play because they use the defense's aggressiveness against them by making the play look as though it's going one way, having the defense over pursue, and pulling our center back side and running behind him on a long wrap around style handoff.
 
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