'24 MO WR Ryan Wingo (Texas commit)

[sonofUT62]

I could be wrong but I thought we backed off of Horn or something of that effect. I just remember him being heavily interested in UT then something happened.

Heupel tried to keep dialogue open with him and he refused. I remember being extremely pissed at Pruitt for putting all of eggs in the Simpson basket and getting burned, and I could be mistaken but I think it was about the same month Salter got booted. I can’t even honestly say that I was aware that we had gotten Hooker as a transfer.

 

[sjt18]

I was one who said that. Hopefully I am not wrong. But if we lose both Nwaneri and Wingo due to NIL to Missouri then that just shows we have a very weak NIL setup.

Not even close.

Imagine you had a million $ and went to bid on a lake house. You've done your homework and know it is worth around $400k. How much should you be willing to pay? If you pay much more than $400k then you're a fool who will soon be separated from your money. If someone else wants it for $600k... you let them buy it. Maybe they have some other motive for overpaying.... like Drink currently does.

There are other things you can buy. You can buy something worth a little more/less and instantly have equity vs them.

I hope you are better at managing your own finances than you are at understanding how an NIL strategy has to work. Showing discipline is a sign of having an EXCELLENT NIL setup.

 

[TBtheGBwiththeTD]

I do kinda wonder how Mizzou gets their nil money, it’s not like Missouri is crawling with money that gets donated to Mizzou

I don’t think they have some massive NIL fund. They don’t care about literally any sport other than football, and even then they have to put large chunks of budget into a kid or 2 to make splash signings. It’s a different strategy than Tennessee employs.

 

[sjt18]

I do kinda wonder how Mizzou gets their nil money, it’s not like Missouri is crawling with money that gets donated to Mizzou

That's not true. Mizzou has a lot of support and is the only major university in the state. Enrollment is about the same as UT. A lot of their support comes out of a huge Missouri ag industry. They have a fairly strong foundation of support from alumni... which would grow if they started winning at something.

I used to work for a guy who poured money into Mizzou athletics and basically bought a seat on the board of regents.

The support isn't as broad or big as UT and others but they have enough support to compete for some of these guys.

IMHO, they're stupid if they're throwing all of their money at a couple of guys... but that's their prerogative.

 

[sjt18]

I don’t think they have some massive NIL fund. They don’t care about literally any sport other than football, and even then they have to put large chunks of budget into a kid or 2 to make splash signings. It’s a different strategy than Tennessee employs.

They used to be a bigger basketball school than football. They've made some hires similar to what UT did in football to tear that down.

 

[sonofUT62]

That's not true. Mizzou has a lot of support and is the only major university in the state. Enrollment is about the same as UT. A lot of their support comes out of a huge Missouri ag industry. They have a fairly strong foundation of support from alumni... which would grow if they started winning at something.

I used to work for a guy who poured money into Mizzou athletics and basically bought a seat on the board of regents.


The support isn't as broad or big as UT and others but they have enough support to compete for some of these guys.

IMHO, they're stupid if they're throwing all of their money at a couple of guys... but that's their prerogative.

I don’t know that he gives them any money but I can’t think of an SEC with a wealthier donor than Kroenke. Especially considering his wife may be worth more than him.

 

[VolLisaLee]

So...Mizzou's class will be....2 5*'s, 17 3*'s, and 6 guys who Rivals doesn't even have a picture for.

Not scared.

NILionaire

 

[utvolmaniac]

Kids in TN can get NIL in high school. So it’s legal to give NIL money before they enroll here. If they have the law in Mizzu why can’t a company from TN pay them when they live there.
Even if they try to say anything about it. Start paying them the day after their last high school game. The only thing they could do is declare them ineligible. When the season is over why would they care.

NIL is going to be an issue at the High School level much as it was at the College level. SCOTUS has already ruled on it at the college level. It’s just a matter of time before the same issue is raised at the High School level.

Not saying this is a good thing because it’s not. Just trending in that direction.

 

[Boston Vol]

I don’t think they have some massive NIL fund. They don’t care about literally any sport other than football, and even then they have to put large chunks of budget into a kid or 2 to make splash signings. It’s a different strategy than Tennessee employs.

What? Missouri has always been considered a basketball school. If you gave their fan base a choice of being a top ten program in basketball or football, a vast majority would choose basketball. They’ve just sucked for the past decade because of bad hires.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

What? Missouri has always been considered a basketball school. If you gave their fan base a choice of being a top ten program in basketball or football, a vast majority would choose basketball. They’ve just sucked for the past decade because of bad hires.

I've always seen them as equally football/basketball school

You may be right though, it's easy to understand their ceiling is much higher in bball

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

shouldn't?

Yes sorry lol

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You don’t have to care about other programs NIL to look at the situation objectively. If Mizzou wins out bc of NIL (another program btw that we are having a discussion about in direct conflict of your stance on not caring about other programs NIL) then they will have won out vs many other teams besides just UT.

Wouldn’t that tell you something about the situation?

Yea. It would tell Me that we won’t pay what it takes to get program changing players. Simple as that. Bama and UGA already have guys like Nwaneri and Wingo. They are used to getting players of that caliber every cycle. It’s why they win NCs and everyone else doesn’t. We don’t get guys like that caliber all the time.

So would both of them be a gamble to drop big money on? Yes. But let’s face it, even Nico is a gamble. I fully expect him to live up to his hype and likely surpass it. But is it a guarantee? No. So what’s wrong with giving the big bucks on cream of the crop, top tier talent and gamble?

 

[Jaxon_Vol2017]

You’re naive

Why is it every time someone has an opinion that isn't all sunshine and rainbows, you come unglued and attack the poster. It'll be okay, it's just his opinion. Sheesh

 

[jasonvol18]

The

I do kinda wonder how Mizzou gets their nil money, it’s not like Missouri is crawling with money that gets donated to Mizzou

Y have money and donors. A St Louis business man donated 300 million to them a few yrs ago and over 1.4 billion in total. Like every SEC school and power 5 school, every University has big money donors.

 

[Jackcrevol]

The
Y have money and donors. A St Louis business man donated 300 million to them a few yrs ago and over 1.4 billion in total. Like every SEC school and power 5 school, every University has big money donors.

Perhaps. But again, Universities arent paying players.

Collectives pay them.

Missouri is at a complete disadvantage from other SEC schools both geographically and facilities wise. So not sure that three hondo has done them any good. They also gave Eli Dorkowitz a raise recently.

 

[MarcoVol]

Yea. It would tell Me that we won’t pay what it takes to get program changing players. Simple as that. Bama and UGA already have guys like Nwaneri and Wingo. They are used to getting players of that caliber every cycle. It’s why they win NCs and everyone else doesn’t. We don’t get guys like that caliber all the time.

So would both of them be a gamble to drop big money on? Yes. But let’s face it, even Nico is a gamble. I fully expect him to live up to his hype and likely surpass it. But is it a guarantee? No. So what’s wrong with giving the big bucks on cream of the crop, top tier talent and gamble?

Perhaps the staff doesn’t share your assessment of their abilities or value. Also, thought you didn’t care about other programs? Also also, we beat Bama last year without having the same type of dudes. Who says we can’t beat UGA without them?

Overspending out of desperation - which is exactly what you are campaigning for here bc “we don’t have these type of players like Bama and UGA do” - is never a smart strategic play. It’s what programs like Mizzou have to do to land a player or 2 each cycle.

Have some faith in Heup. Enjoy the show.

 

[LouderVol]

We still had a QB guru coach. Horn was apparently his first choice. When he refused to reopen the dialogue Heupel pivoted to Jackson. None of us had any problem with it and I still think Jackson will be a great QB. I saw Horn play Twice live against elite Gwinnett County competition and he’s got a Tyler Bray ceiling with a higher floor. We’ll see what happens.

Heupel was brand new, he hadn't even coached at game at UT when Horn committed. I doubt there was much of a relationship.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes sorry lol

It could very well be just because they don't have to spread it out much.

as someone pointed out their class is currently one 4*, and its a very low 4*, and then 10 3*s. IF you assume they get Wingo and Nwaneri, and then repeat their results it will be an EXTREMELY top heavy class.

They really only have to worry about paying two guys any real money.

Tennessee on the other hand is going to be paying 20ish guys. Even if we have a much bigger bank account, I doubt its 10x the size, we are having to spread a lot more on it on the other 20 guys. We can't concentrate our dollars like Mizzou can.

I don't see how that can be argued to be a failure, when its just simple numbers.

 

[JCVol00]

That's not true. Mizzou has a lot of support and is the only major university in the state. Enrollment is about the same as UT. A lot of their support comes out of a huge Missouri ag industry. They have a fairly strong foundation of support from alumni... which would grow if they started winning at something.

I used to work for a guy who poured money into Mizzou athletics and basically bought a seat on the board of regents.

The support isn't as broad or big as UT and others but they have enough support to compete for some of these guys.

IMHO, they're stupid if they're throwing all of their money at a couple of guys... but that's their prerogative.

The
Y have money and donors. A St Louis business man donated 300 million to them a few yrs ago and over 1.4 billion in total. Like every SEC school and power 5 school, every University has big money donors.

Idk, It just seems to me that most midwest top donors would donate to OU or Nebraska, Missouri just seems like an oddball unless they went there

 

[sonofUT62]

Heupel was brand new, he hadn't even coached at game at UT when Horn committed. I doubt there was much of a relationship.

About a month less than what he had with Jackson when Jackson committed.

 

[LouderVol]

About a month less than what he had with Jackson when Jackson committed.

could also sell the SEC there.

 

[Priddler]

I do kinda wonder how Mizzou gets their nil money, it’s not like Missouri is crawling with money that gets donated to Mizzou

Walmart money.

 

[supersmo18]

They also gave Eli Dorkowitz a raise recently.

And the very game after they did that, we hung 60 on them.

 

[sjt18]

Idk, It just seems to me that most midwest top donors would donate to OU or Nebraska, Missouri just seems like an oddball unless they went there

Maybe there are people who didn't graduate from Bama in TN in large numbers who donate to Bama? I don't know but that is no more true of Mizzou than UT. Why would someone from Missouri whose family, business, history, etc were deeply tied to MO... give money to OU or Nebraska? FWIW, Lincoln and Norman are a lot further from most of MO than you seem to think. I've lived in MO for over 20 years and have never run into a NU or OU graduate. I've only known one Nebraska fan in MO and no OU fans.

 

[Jackcrevol]

if issues with Wingo and Waneri is they can get paid sooner. it seems fairly simple we can get this law changed in TN. like that shouldnt be something we allow to hold us back as a state university